A sad day

For the shooting victims, and their loved ones, in the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, this is a very sad day. Take time today to tell those closest to you that you love them.

Comments

[T-S]

When all our money is moving up to the top ten percent, it doesn't leave much to divide up between education, infrastucture, mental health and medical needs, regulatory needs and the general safety net for the rest of us.

I envy those social democracies that are happier and the 17 Countries Where You're Likely To Be Richer

Ron Reagan sitting in for Chris on Hardball talking about this.

We will see more and more violence as we further treat human beings like garbage and slaves. Where's the New Deal and Great Society politicians when you need them?

[Puget Sund Blathers]

a very sad day. lets keep politics out of it.
please.

[Whatever]

Yes, this post does not warrant political chatter. My heart goes out to all who lost a loved one, or knew one of those injured. One madman is not a reflection of society as a whole. Peace to all.

[Puget Sound Blathers]

Thank you, Whatever.

[Squeaky]

Ditto's to PS and Whatever, this is a sad day indeed. We must reflect on the positive and realize that this is an anomaly and that overall our's is a safe country/state/city/neighborhood.
May those who died rest in peace and may their families find reasoned solace. Injured please recover and know that our prayers are with you all.

[Nate]

Yes, I agree with the others Squeaky, PS, and Whatever.
We should all just pause and take some breathers from politics.
I also feel that the post by T-S is not appropriate for this thread.

[KS]

ABC's Brian Ross could not keep politics out of it earlier, when he mistakenly tried to tack blame on the Tea Party with their google search that showed a Jim Holmes who was a member, but it was the wrong Jim Holmes.

They (ABC) decided they better apologize for the mistake after the conservative media came unglued. An irresponsible mistake that didn't have to occur.

A sad day indeed and its time to reflect and I concur about keeping politics out of this from hereon. My nephew was living in Denver but is flying back to Portland today.

I also agree with your sentiments, Nate. It is very challenging for certain people to stay on topic anywhere on this blog.

[Puget Sound Blathers]

Taking some 'breathers' as Nate put it is a great idea.

Lets all do as KS points out and reflect on the victims.

[BlackRhino]

I’m sure Putz would agree with me, that would apply to you also KS.

[BlackRhino]

Though I don’t agree, seems too sanctimonious for me.

[KS]

-you're trying to be too cute by half- nothing that you said is there to agree or disagree with...

[BlackRhino]

Funny how Putz disagrees with TS but agree with KS, seems like they were doing the same type of editorializing.

And KS, the funny part is called hypocrite… and before you respond, I know you won’t understand.

[KS]

It is evident that you are so far over everyone's head here that you don't see the trees from the forest - whatver. Are you trying to cleverly imitate T-S and if so, why do you choose to go there ?

Yes, I understand that It is easy to be an armchair observer and say nothing of consequence.

[T-S]

Rhinoplasty -you're trying to be too cute by half...

Have you noticed a double standard on this blog, Rhino?

So much for the bereavement thread.

[Todd]

I agree with BR. You can’t pressure a person to not talk because you don’t agree with what they say.

[BlackRhino]

TS;
Yea,I won’t fault the blog, they have better things to do. We have to accept the bloggers with that type of rejoinder.

[KS]

Granted, no one is politicizing - but everyone is trying to be civil in backbiting. Carry on.

Have you noticed a double standard on this blog, Rhino?

So much for the bereavement thread.

Posted by: T-S | July 20, 2012 at 06:32 PM

T-S ; So you are saying "Don't do as you do, but do as you say". Message received

[T-S]

this is an anomaly and that overall our's is a safe country/state/city/neighborhood.

Are you being slightly ironic here, Squeaky? And to think it was only two months ago. What short memories you all have.

[T-S]

KS, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. That's all.

[Gentlemen Rouge]

“noticed a double standard on this blog”?
Posted by: T-S | July 20, 2012 at 06:32 PM

T-S, KS is ham handed with his responses, while BlackRhino is witty & funny.

[T-S]

Cenk is putting this into perspective: "we live in a gun obsessed culture" and people get shot every day. What are we going to do about it?

Gentlemen Rouge, I agree.

[T-S]

He's interviewing Sirota now. I wish you could hear him. Read this by Sirota written today. Sirota lives in the area and could have been at that very theater last night. Call it terrorism
The shooting in Colorado was, undeniably, an act of terror. We in the media should not describe it by another name

Cenk: "270 get shot a day. This is no aberration."

I'm done. Reflect you all. And then, decide what we're going to do about it. I'd love to read that.

[BlackRhino]

I took my children to see the movie this morning. While driving to the theater this news was on every station. When I dropped them off I felt anxious. But I didn’t let them see it. When I was a paper boy, as a youngster, a gun was drawn on me. My father happened to be with me, and he stepped between me and the gunman. Therefore; I want to be there if this sort of thing happens to my Girls. And if I wasn’t, I for one, would be eternally grateful if the government, in some compactly, were.

[KS]

T-S ; So you are saying "Don't do as you do, but do as you say". Message received

Posted by: KS | July 20, 2012 at 06:49 PM

T-S BS. I was pointing out your hypocrisy above, but you pretended not to get it and your comment was made after I made my comment - try something original.

Conceal and carry gun permits would have helped prevent the mentally infected schlub from inflicting as much damage. It's not the best answer, but better than taking guns away from everyone who is law bidding but leaving them in hands of the criminals. Nazi Germany did that during Hitler's reign.

[Gentlemen Rouge]

Ohh boy, Nazi Germany reference. Thanks KS.

[T-S]

Sirota said he might have been there, too, had it not been for his nineteen-month-old and babysitting issues. But you can't be afraid or teach fear. Just do the best you can.

Were your girls aware of the events? How did they like the movie?

[BlackRhino]

Yes, they knew of the events but were so excited; nothing was going to get them down. They said the movie was great. They took all of our lunch to get it out. Then they came home to tweet it. Kids, they are so oblivious of our world and our world seems so wrapped around theirs.

[ExPattBrit]

"Conceal and carry gun permits would have helped prevent the mentally infected schlub from inflicting as much damage."

The mentally infected schlub was a "law abiding gun owner" until 12:39AM this morning, just like the Cafe Racer guy on the morning of May 20th.

There was tear gas, does it seem likely that if there were more guns involved it would have turned out better in a dark theater with the movie still playing.
Was everyone else unarmed in this theater I haven't heard that? The shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest, and has 4 guns one of which was an AR15.

[T-S]

How do you know that there wasn't already a concealed weapon there? The guy had a gas mask, I think padded suit, and four weapons including assault weapons. I think most people were hiding from the bullets.

[T-S]

"Holmes wore ballistic leggings and groin and neck protection" - just read it on MSNBC. There you go, KS. What's plan B?

[BlackRhino]

It’s a great point, how many concealed weapons were in the crowd. And if there were a few, how many gun toting hero’s are going to admit they didn’t stand up during the panic.

[Preston]

Even the police don't shoot in crowded, dark situations. How dumb of the Louis Gohmert types to play monday quarterback here.

[Mike D]

"Conceal and carry gun permits would have helped prevent the mentally infected schlub from inflicting as much damage."

And it may have resulted in additional victims. Bullets travel through walls KS. This was a multiplex theater.

[KS]

Guns to combat the one gun would have cut down the collateral damage regardless of what he wore, like sky marshalls on planes when there are terrorists, which is what this guy was. What about Plan B is too much for you to comprehend, T-S.

It begins at the home and the family, which has disintegrated over the last 30 years - the culture has become borderline toxic - worshiping Gangstas, vampires, devaluation of human life and the kids are being over-medicated (prozac, aterol, etc.) like this guy Holmes probably was. No one sets good examples any more - in the era of social media and little or no privacy, like its too square and dull to set good examples and then we ask what has gone so wrong ?

It would take a concerted change of attitude and a cultural overhaul to unring that bell. This sickness has dated back to the 60's or before and has reached epidemic proportions. It would be a step in the right direction if there would be some positive action on this, in the midst of pending economic calamity, but don't look to the Federal Government for immediate answers - State and Local Governments invariably handle these situations better. Seems like Colorado has the knack for incidents like this that make one's head spin.

What does Louis Gohmert have to do with anything related to this event ? Try sticking to the topic, Preston.

[yeah, whatever]

Apparently Holmes was pressured to leave the PHd. program after year one. His grades were good, so that wasn't the problem. My guess is his overall creepiness and perhaps some bizarre behavior convinced program hochos he wasnt PhD. program material. He snapped and decided to make his mark in society with a dastardly act of monstrous evil. I believe this was revenge on this guy's part. The smirking, puckish bastard is more evil than anything else, certainly not legally or even clinically insane. He should be put in genpop, where the guards just happen to be looking he other way when he gets kicked in the balls every day. After a few months of this, i hope he just successfully kills himself in his cell saving the taxpayers the money of a trial. Too much of a coward of course to ever do that. He slaughtered these people liek defenselless fish in a barrel after disorienting and impairing them with the gas.

[BlackRhino]

Preston is well read, Louis Gohmert believes as you KS. A gun will not solve the problems you indicate.
Two similarly armored men did a lot of damage if you care to read about it.

Owning a gun will not solve the vampire problem KS, but the wolf man problem…with silver bullets, is a plausible situation.

[BlackRhino]

"liek defenselless"?

You sound familiar, do I know you?

[KS]

Preston may be well read, but it is mainly progressive left-wing biased publications. I never said that less guns would solve the problem, but it could minimize it in a number of instances. I also said that was not the best answer.

Funny, You don't seem to take the apparent underlying problem seriously, but you like that hand-wringing though and your faint stab at humor.

You might want to check your link, BR - bad title.

[BlackRhino]

“He should be put in genpop”, is this a new wrestling move?

[T-S]

What is the "underlying" problem?

Let me repost, Rhine. It was easy to figure out. shootout

Goodnight

[BlackRhino]

“I never said that less guns would solve the problem” really KS, what did you say? I thought you said more guns would solve the vampire problem. But please, specify.

Here’s the link on two men on foot up armored and on a killing spree. Your argument? “one gun would have cut down the collateral damage regardless of what he wore”

[BlackRhino]

Thomas,

“behavior convinced program hochos “, are these the same “hochos” which created Doritos?

Thanks TS
Goodnight

[KS]

Taking your cues from T-S again ? Go back and read what I said if you really want to know what I said - both posts. I discussed the real solution and that it's not an easy one. Been eating Doritos with your Dos Equis ?

You can't even get your quotes correct - been swilling again ? Here's what I wrote; "Guns to combat the one gun would have cut down the collateral damage regardless of what he wore, like sky marshalls on planes when there are terrorists, which is what this guy was."

Haven't heard your solutions yet, in light of your smart a$$ comments. Now it;s your turn to step up to the plate.

[Paul]

Glad this isnt a political debate. Its a sad time. Lets pray for those lost and those affected.

[T-S]

There are those who wish to grieve the last one and others who wish to prevent the next one. Is that a conservative/liberal thing?

[Finis Hominis]

It’s called right wing political correctness. They believe you have to feel the way they do or you deserve criticism. They imagine we are under seizure of totalitarianism so we should be afraid. They envision our hold on society is ebbing away due to the influx from south of the border and fear grips them. And now they want us to sense sadness when a gunman armed to the teeth attacks our children. Some of us get angry and want to take control of the situation. Rightwing political correctness wants you to shut up and fall in line.

[KS]

T-S and Finis just turned this into a political debate... Way to go.

Only in your imagination, Finis. More leftwing paranoia. Have you been smoking weed ?

[Finis Hominis]

Why attack me? Why not address my opinion?

[KS]

Simple answer - your opinion reflects who you are.

[Finis Hominis]

And your opinion?