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June 02, 2012

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T-S

You tell me. I don't frankly care. There is nothing new in this read. Time to move on.

KS

Interesting article, PS. Both sides do it, but you can count on Politico to tilt their coverage in favor of the left, even though they are sneaky and pretend to be non-partisan. They aren't the only left leaning media outlet that does this (like AP, ABC, CBS and CNN for starters).

Contrast that with vast majority of the right-leaning media outlets that are unabashedly up front that they have a conservative bias. Case and point- Townhall, National Review, Breitbart and Newsmax admit right off that they have a conservative bias.

T-S

And Alternet, Demos, Common Dreams, The Nation, Democracy Now, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz and a zillion others proclaim proudly they're left leaning.

So what? What's your point?

T-S

Forgot democratic underground, Daily Kos, Liberal Oasis, Move On, Harpers Magazine, Mother Jones, Rolling Stone, Dissent

You forgot the Weakly Standard, Drudge, American Conservative, American Prospect, American Spectator, Commentary . . .

Sometimes your points get lost. Can you clarify what all this means please?

Puget Sound Blathers

again, both sides cashing in. From WaPo and Hot Air.


"One-hundred-thirty members of Congress or their families have traded stocks collectively worth hundreds of millions of dollars in companies lobbying on bills that came before their committees, a practice that is permitted under current ethics rules, a Washington Post analysis has found.

The lawmakers bought and sold a total of between $85 million and $218 million in 323 companies registered to lobby on legislation that appeared before them, according to an examination of all 45,000 individual congressional stock transactions contained in computerized financial disclosure data from 2007 to 2010.

Interestingly, the article points out right up front that the party breakdown of those involved in these types of trades comes in at 68 Democrats to 62 Republicans. Yet the Post lists only three names on page one… all Republicans. You have to drill down to page three of this five page opus (behind the registration wall) before you stumble across the names of any Democrats.

So is this really something bad, or does it just look bad? Joyner chimes in.

Foreign Policy managing editor Blake Hounshell, who pointed me to the story, declares, “Congress is disgusting. Americans should be outraged at this kind of stuff.” While I’m not sure I’d go that far, this is certainly a situation where an obvious conflict of interest exists and yet another case where Congress applies one set of rules to itself and another to the rest of us.

To be sure, an individual member of Congress has less influence over policy than, say, a cabinet secretary. There are, after all, 435 Representatives and 100 Senators and we have a cumbersome legislative process requiring bills to pass through both Houses in identical form and get signed by the president before becoming law. Still, committee chairmen and other Members have enormous influence. Even, even if we were to presume that all of them are of the highest integrity and would never vote against the interests of their constituents for personal profit–work with me here–it’s not right that they should be able to buy and sell stocks on inside knowledge, behavior that is criminal when done by anyone else."

KS

"And Alternet, Demos, Common Dreams, The Nation, Democracy Now, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz and a zillion others proclaim proudly they're left leaning.

Forgot democratic underground, Daily Kos, Liberal Oasis, Move On, Harpers Magazine, Mother Jones, Rolling Stone, Dissent"

I listed those that do not proclaim themselves to be left leaning, like many newspapers and the TV networks - that is a wide sphere of influence.

I did not mention progressive talk shows, because they are up front. I question if Harpers Magazine does, but all of the rest don't hide it. Conversely, I have not come across any conservatives that aren't upfront about it. They don't mind being bigger targets - the truth matters more to them than say AP, CBS, ABC, even NBC, the WaPO, NYT, LATimes, Seattle Times, SF Chronicle and Time Magazine. I rest my case...

sparky

Sitting on a deck overlooking the beautiful Rocky Mountains, thumbing through my pictures of a grizzly bear,,,certainly puts things in perspective as to what is real and what is just bullshit...

Puget Sound Blathers

yes, like if someone was actually enjoying the beautiful rocky mountains that they would take the time to post on a blog they can do so on any rainy seattle day. as you say, bullshit is as bullshit does....

Puget Sound Blathers

but maybe you can favor us with some faux Dori outrage...

KS

--or Fox News faux outrage,

Puget Sound Blathers

it's their version of 'the war on christmas.'

both parties have their 'faux outrage' go to move.

Puget Sound Blathers

its just sad that some of the posters don't see it...or if they do, it'll be of the 'well, maybe we do but the other side is worse' variety.

Preston

don't cry puget, don't be sad

Puget Sound Blathers

hey 'preston', try some of those Rocky Mountain Oysters, will ya?

KS

its just sad that some of the posters don't see it...or if they do, it'll be of the 'well, maybe we do but the other side is worse' variety.

Posted by: Puget Sound Blathers | June 25, 2012 at 06:15 PM

More like I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say about me bounces off and sticks to you. My cynicism makes it easier to interpret their mindset which is often cynical.

sparky

Yes, PS, that's what I was waiting for. I knew if I posted that, you would have a comment. Very good.

T-S

BW Crew should have deleted that post, PS. You were mocking her. You do that a lot. It gets old.

KS

If that's turns out to be the case, BW crew should also delete a bunch of your posts T-S for precisely the same reason.

T-S

Don't be silly. My posts are at least interesting.

KS

OK, Don't do as you do, do as you say - your meme.

Puget Sound Blathers

soooooo is sparky saying she posted under a different name in order to get a response?

KS

Sparky passed the color code test. However, the same cannot be said for T-S. Details at 11.

BW crew

All right guys, knock off the gotcha game. Gonna start booting posts if ya don't.

T-S

When they put down another poster, boot them. You said be nice - just for some people? Neither of PS' posts are either issue oriented or nice. Sparky doesn't deserve put downs every time she posts.

KS

It seems to bother you more than it does her. Can you explain why ?

T-S

Because she's nicer. She just leaves for a while. I'd like her to stay longer.

yes, like if someone was actually enjoying the beautiful rocky mountains...

That wasn't you? If it wasn't, I will apologize to you. And it certainly wasn't directed at Preston. And you don't know if the second "sparky" is someone else or not. That's a cowardly response. And duplicitous.

Puget Sound Blathers

Some Dems are crossing party lines.

"The Democratic Party’s resistance to holding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress is crumbling.

Utah Democratic Rep. Jim Matheson said Tuesday he plans to vote in favor of holding Holder in contempt over his refusal to comply with a subpoena into the Operation Fast and Furious scandal.

“It just compounds the tragedy when both sides play politics instead of releasing the facts. The Terry family, the public and Congress deserve answers,” Matheson said in remarks first reported by the Salt Lake Tribune in his home state. “Sadly, it seems that it will take holding the attorney general in contempt to communicate that evasiveness is unacceptable.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/26/house-dem-breaks-from-party-plans-to-vote-for-holder-contempt/#ixzz1yxT47bub

sparky

Jesus Christ on a stick, PS, get over it.
Now I am going to go outside and enjoy the Montana Rockies since it finally stopped raining. Believe it, or don't believe it. Makes no difference to me.

For those who might be interested, I hope someday you can drive to Radium Springs,AB and drive up through Kootenai National Park, especially the first 20 miles into the park...that area is called Bear Hill for a reason. We saw 3 black bears and 2 grizzlies and a moose in that 20 mile span. Very cool.

T-S

I'm glad you were driving and not hiking. Sounds stunning. My raspberries are ripe so I'm happy.

Keep checking in.

BTW, any consideration to doing on the Bryson thread? It is an open thread to and there are not so many pages to scroll through.

Puget Sound Blathers

safe travels, sparky.

Not looking good for the AG, yet another Dem is crossing lines on this.

BTW, happy to discuss this on the other open thread.

"Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah) on Tuesday became one of the first Democrats to publicly declare he will vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress, breaking from his party on what is expected to be a mostly party-line vote Thursday.
“Utahns expect and deserve transparency and accountability from government officials, especially when a tragedy such as the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent occurs. It just compounds the tragedy when both sides play politics instead of releasing the facts,” he said in a statement, adding: “Sadly, it seems that it will take holding the Attorney General in contempt to communicate that evasiveness is unacceptable. It is a vote I will support.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77867.html#ixzz1z03EzSbz

T-S

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal">A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

You named dems from red states. Expected defections from some. No big story. Is this the way you like Congress to spend its time? Do you want them to get the facts or just get Holder? Which is it? A game of gotcha or a game of fact-finding?

KS

If that's the case, then why is the White House orchestrating the cover-up ?

All Holder and the DOJ has to do is hand over the requested documents and absolve themselves, but they never planned to do that. The cover up is often bigger than the alleged crime. Of course, that falls apart if Holder hands over the documents and halts the contempt vote.

mw

Prove there is a cover up, executive privilege is not one of them. Furthermore, "operation wide receiver" during the Bush years gave intel to the Mexican government, if that was going on today, your side would be crying foul. Plenty of cover ups during the last administration in which Cheney refused to hand over documents. I think it's Issa being furious-er and furious-er to get those "nigras" out of the whitey house.

mw

Salon also has an article outlining how the national riot assn is behind the hit job on Holder.

"Apparently, the House Republican drive to issue a contempt citation to Eric Holder will end up attracting Democratic support – thanks to the National Rifle Association.

Utah Rep. Jim Matheson, who represents the most Republican-leaning district of any House Democrat, announced on Tuesday that he’s “sadly” concluded that the citation is necessary, and Rep. Steny Hoyer – the Democrats’ top vote-counter in the chamber – acknowledged that other members of the caucus are considering doing the same.

Matheson didn’t cite the NRA in his announcement, but Hoyer did, and for good reason. The rabidly pro-gun/anti-Obama group has decided to use the Holder contempt vote as part of its rating formula for House members.

For Democrats like Matheson, whose sprawling, rural district is filled with voters who take their guns seriously, being on the wrong side of the NRA in an election year is a serious risk. So it seems likely that political survival instincts will prompt a few others to join with Matheson.

The question is why the NRA has decided to emphasize the Holder vote. The group’s official explanation, believe it or not, involves conspiracy theory – the idea that the Fast and Furious gun-walking program that led to the death of a border patrol agent in 2010 was actually “a political attack on the 2nd Amendment and that the Justice Department facilitated a crime to further their gun control political agenda.”

That was NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre’s assertion, and it’s been echoed by several Republicans in Congress, including Darrell Issa, the Oversight Committee chairman who has been leading the contempt push. On national television on Sunday, Issa said:

“We have emails from people involved in this who are talking about using what they’re finding here to support the — basically — assault weapons ban or greater reporting. So, chicken or egg? We don’t know which came first, we probably never will.”

Needless to say, there’s no evidence to support this kind of outlandish theorizing. Not that this is anything new when it comes to the NRA and the Obama administration.

As president, Obama has taken a hands-off approach to gun control, not wanting to pick a fight with the NRA and potentially worsen his already shaky standing with rural white voters. This has been a disappointment to liberals, although not a surprising one, since Obama’s posture is consistent with the approach top national Democrats have taken since 2000.

But it’s earned the president no credit at all with the NRA, with LaPierre claiming that the administration’s first-term record is “a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment during his second term.” Others on the right have embraced the same rhetoric.

There’s a lesson in this: The NRA, for all of its claims of independence and occasional endorsements of Democrats, functions as an arm of the Republican Party. That means that no Democratic president and no major national Democratic leader will get the benefit of the doubt from the group, no matter what his or her record says.

As I wrote a few months back, this raises a practical issue for Obama and Democrats going forward. They’ve long resisted pushing for new gun control measures out of a belief that alienating that NRA and gun owners in general cost Al Gore the 2000 election. But the decade-plus since then has shown that the NRA will oppose and smear them just as feverishly even when they do nothing – to the point that the group is willing to promote a wild conspiracy theory if it gives them a chance to humiliate a Democratic president’s attorney general. Is there a point when Democrats simply decide that if they’re going to fight with the NRA it might as well be over something real?"

Steve Kornacki writes about politics for Salon. Reach him by email at [email protected] and follow him on Twitter @SteveKornacki

sparky

The DINOs are afraid of the NRA...Puget, if you had said that a liberal democrat was in favor of holding Holder in contempt, you would have my attention. A Dem from Utah is like a Dem from Kansas i.e. Ben Nelson...they are actually moderate Repubs and wouldnt stand up the the real Republicans if their lives depended on it. I will have to hand it to Karl Rove..he is doing his usual masterful job at keeping people's attention away from real issues and gets the media to focus on things that get people all riled up.
Grover Nordquist is deeply involved with the NRA as well.

T-S

They have their beliefs, mw, and no excellent thinking and explaining will talk them out of them. KS doesn't want to hear the other side. Ever.

KS

"Prove there is a cover up, executive privilege is not one of them. "

Excuse me ? Not a cover up. How did you arrive at that unprovable conclusion ? Why did he claim Executive privilege. No one has satisfactorily answered that question. Just say you don't know...

Are you saying that the NRA has some fingerprints on it - it sounds plausible and like the perfect straw man for you'all on the left. The 2nd Amendment must be revised - that Constitution is 235 years old - it must be outdated therefore progressives can have a clear conscience about shredding the 2nd Amendment.

Oh, right - its a witch hunt by the Republicans, with some more moderate Democrats apparently voting for Contempt on Mr. Holder.

No, T-S, I hear the other side and acknowledged it. You don't want to hear the side that opposes your leftist ideology and if you do you go ad-hominem - always.

Puget Sound Blathers

The DINOs are afraid of the NRA...Puget, if you had said that a liberal democrat was in favor of holding Holder in contempt, you would have my attention. A Dem from Utah is like a Dem from Kansas i.e. Ben Nelson...they are actually moderate Repubs and wouldnt stand up the the real Republicans if their lives depended on it.

Posted by: sparky | June 27, 2012 at 01:25 PM

Welcome to 2012. Sounds like the Dems big tent is doing a bit of the El Foldo. To get majorities that matter you can't be a Progressive Democrat. You have to expand the tent. Trouble is once you get those DINOs you then can't exercise the majority power witness the failure of the Dems with Veto Proof House and Senate majorities unable to get through significant legislation...

Looks like the Dem business plan needs a major re-work. Can't get a majority without being DINOs, but when you get the DINOs you can't exercise your majority.

Walt

I just saw this on Facebook :
Arguing with a Republican is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good I am at chess, I know the pigeon is just going to kick over the pieces, shit all over the board and then strut around like it's victorious." LMAO

T-S

Getting to that analogy of Republicanism was worth this long, long thread. Thank you.

KS

Arguing with a Republican is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good I am at chess, I know the pigeon is just going to kick over the pieces, shit all over the board and then strut around like it's victorious." LMAO

Posted by: Walt | June 27, 2012 at 05:57 PM

It all depends on the perspective. On its face, it is another ad hominem attack, most likely from a progressive Dem. The analogy is interesting, but think that references more to the Bush years - of which I could relate to the animosity. I think you would be more hard pressed though to find a real life example of this since 2010. The pendulum appears to be swinging in the other direction since 2008 in case you hadn't noticed.

To make this more balanced, I'll check for Democrat critiques too.

T-S

No, T-S, I hear the other side and acknowledged it.

No, you didn't. And you won't. Reread Walt above. And then go back and read the Fortune article and talk about it. That might spur some real thinking from you.

KS

WTF ? How so T-S ? Defend your comment - try being coherent and honest this time. The Fortune article would be relevant if Holder handed over the documents - nice try, but his actions trump the relevancy of the Fortune opinion piece.

Re: Walt - I saw this on Facebook -

It's Bush's fault, it's Republican's fault, it's The Tea Party's fault, it's Fox News' fault, it's Talk Radio's fault, it's..it's..it's..it's disgraceful, disgusting, & unacceptable is what it is!

Don't you know Bush has been controlling Obama since January 20, 2009 !

totally stupid conservative

whale i thought so

T-S

The Fortune article would be relevant if ...

See, I said you didn't read it. I said you don't want facts.

I know you so well, KS.

Now Ronnie, nap time.

Listening to Rachel and she just did a bit on the loyalty oaths that Cheney demanded before you could hear him speak and the pledge of allegiance Bush/Cheney required of their audiences. Can anyone imagine liberals signing on to a loyalty pledge? No baa-baaing here, thank you.

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