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  • HistoryLink
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right-wing blogs we like

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  • The Radio Equalizer
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January 27, 2012

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Truthseeker

I see, Puget Sound, that Goldwater became considerably more liberal in the eighties and nineties. I didn't know that.

I think I sum up my philosophy when I conclude that there are no social liberals who are not simultaneously fiscally liberal. I think people who say they are socially liberal are paying lip service to the easy liberal parts but are hanging onto their wallets with clenched fists when it costs them money.

Truthseeker

Questions:
#1 Yes, he lied.

#2 I do not support the Patriot Act.

#3 I do not support the use of predator drones.

#4 I do not support the war in Afghanistan. I do not believe it is winnable. I think we should pull out immediately or whenever good liberals who understand the policy and politics determine when and how we should leave. The sooner the better.

Anything else?

Walt

I haven't gone anywhere KS. Still here, reading your dribble.

A Day Called X

Why scares me about today's Republicans is their idiocy. Rick Perry and the last TX governor foisted on them. You could put up Dick Cheney except there is a constitutional prohibition against one individual serving more than 2 terms as President...

KS

TS - I don't think Bush lied about Iraq any more than Obama was being factually correct about Bush-43 being responsible for more food stamps than he.

In Bush's run up to invading Iraq, his advisors cherry picked the evidence that was shown about Iraq moving their weapons - among them Colin Powell. They should have waited six months until the weapons inspectors were through and the Democrats should have paid more attention to what they were voting for. Instead, prominent Democrats (Clinton, Schumer, Reid, Kennedy, and Biden) all voted for us going into Iraq, then denounced the war after it was seen that it wasn't going that well. They wanted it both ways and did not offer any plausible explanation why they had voted for a show of force in the first place except the Bush lied copout. I fault them almost as much as I fault the Bush administration for getting us bogged down there. If they had opposed it earlier, we may not have gone there.

Yes, we should also get out of Afghanistan - Obama's War. We should leave ASAP. The Drones served us militarily when we were engaged, but they too should leave when our troops do. That technology is available if and when ever are in that predicament.

Puget Sound Blathers

TS
Where did I say I was a social conservative? I wrote:
"I'm not a holly roller Jerry Falwell type; rather, I am a Goldwater type ie keep Uncle Sugar out of my life and out of my wallet."

You know, personal liberty. Seems like you have 'locked on' to a point and are doggedly holding on to it for some reason.

TS you say, "Are you against New Deal programs? Those are the criteria one has to answer honestly to be considered socially liberal."

Which 'New Deal Programs' are we talking about? He proposed many and a number of them were struck down by the Supreme Court. FDR then tried to get around that by 'packing' the Supreme Court.

If you are talking about things like the SEC, FDIC, FHLB, Glass-Steagall, Social Security I can agree with these things. And others. But please check your history to ensure you understand what you are saying if you mean agree with FDR or you are not a Liberal. FDR was a man who imprisoned hundreds of thousands of AMERICAN citizens for no crime or wrongdoing other then being of Japanese Descent. FDR did nothing to integrate the US Military or propose meaningful concepts such as anti-lynching laws or civil rights.

FDR believed in large gov't (btw his programs failed to improve unemployment) and I hope you are not trying to say that one must believe in large gov't to be socially liberal. Is that your point? Please tell us what you mean rather than dance around it. Do more than 'google' you're way around the conversation.

Keep engaged, Truthseeker, and you'll find what you say you are looking for.


Puget Sound Blathers

In terms of Gov't, for those folks idly wondering how it would be great for Newt to get the nomination because Pres Obama could beat him easily, just remember in an election anything can happen. In fact, Newt is making plans already per a great website hosted by Dave Weigal (I can picture Sparky heading to Canada, don't forget Fremont!)

Newt Gingrich Is Looking Out for You
By David Weigel | Posted Sunday, Jan. 29, 2012, at 8:45 AM ET
On Sarah Palin:

The Republican presidential candidate told CNN Wednesday evening that if he wins the White House, he'd ask the ex-Alaska governor to take a "major role" in his administration.
On Herman Cain:

Gingrich said he hopes Cain will co-chair a commission to lead the policy discussion on the economy and taxes... “I realize that as a co-chair of a commission like that, there would be a little thing called 9-9-9 that would be brought in and put on the table. So I fully expect that,” Gingrich said.
On Rick Perry:
I’m told reliably that Governor Perry will head up a 10th Amendment project for Speaker Gingrich to rally Governors and state legislators toward a plan of devolving power from Washington.
By waiting so long to make an endorsement, Michele Bachmann might be blowing her shot at running the Gingrich administration's Gardisil Study Group."

KS

Seems like the Republicans could have a difficult time uniting after this bloody campaign is over. Newt would probably have the toughest time if Romney is the nominee. There is a thing called the enthusiasm gap which has probably decreased some for the GOP. Can they get their enthusiasm back ? The TEA party is out there and will have an affect on this.

For the Dems who are reliant on the Occupiers to have an enthusiasm affect, don't think that will fly. They are too obsessed with One world government, bureaucratic fat cats, corporations - evil. They may well repudiate Romney as a Wall Street type. Don't see them endorsing Obomba lately because they know he is a corporatist, as he received more contributions from Wall Street than anyone - even though he keeps pounding that rich pay their fair share ad nauseum mantra, they don't trust him, which is one area that I agree with them.

Truthseeker

"You say you're a social conservative, use MLK to make your point, and then call yourself a "goldwater conservative?" Sounds like hypocrisy to me."

If you had followed the preceding posts, you would have caught the error: It should have read "You say you're a social liberal, use MLK . . . "
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Which programs? All of them.

---------------------FDR? Don't put words in my mouth. We are not debating FDR.
---------------------Packing the Court was a tactic and not a program and was legal at the time.
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Interning the Japanese was wrong from my point of view but that is twenty-twenty hindsight. Have you posted your outrage over The Patriot Act or the incarcerations and torture and Guantanamo?
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From WIKI: Social liberalism is the belief that liberalism should include social justice. It differs from classical liberalism in that it believes the legitimate role of the state includes addressing economic and social issues such as unemployment, health care, and education while simultaneously expanding civil rights. Under social liberalism, the good of the community is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual.[1] Social liberal policies have been widely adopted in much of the capitalist world, particularly following World War II.[2] Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left

Nice to know you spent time rereading and thinking about the conversation. Any other questions? I have separated points to help you keep them straight. Can you answer as succinctly as I did yours in this post AND the previous set of answers to you? It would help keep the conversation on point.

Truthseeker

I do plan to be out much of today. So far I'm enjoying the debate although analyzing your posts takes time.

Now, don't call this a walt-ism or I might will have to resort to renaming it "pete-ism" since he opted out without responding to my question. Don't you think it preferable to eliminate all name calling entirely? When I started on this blog, I was told those were the rules.

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