Open Thread: 'religious lunatics, flat-earthers and civil war reenactors'

 Bill Maher:

There used to be ideological differences [between D's and R's] that were understandable, and there used to be moderate Republicans. That has gone away. The Republican Party is now just a bunch of religious lunatics, flat-earthers and Civil War reenactors.

“There really isn’t extremism on both sides [of the political spectrum]. That’s a canard.” The left, he says, "moved to the center, and the right moved into a mental institution."

Comments

[Andrew]

putz says "KS
It's all Andrew's got. Misrepresentations and the slur of 'racist' at conservatives.
We've seen this movie before.
He's just following the road well worn by his intellectually bankrupt fellow travelers.
The sad part is that for awhile I thought he was smarter than this. You would think that the rants of ph(J)oanie would be a cautionary tale."

There's no substance in your post, and it's plain for all to see. You've lost. You should spend more time on a blog with posters who already agree with you. You'll do better there.

[KS]

Andrew - what planet do you live on ? Stop misrepresenting other's points of view - its insulting and dishonest.

Keep thinking you are in the majority at your own peril. All I ask for is an honest and intelligent discussion, which is very unlikely with you. If you want case and points, I would be glad to supply them.

[Puget Sound]

nice try andrew, but saying there is no substance is a whole lot different than providing evidence.
i can easily provide evidence of your sloppy thinking. you regularly argue using baseless claims of racial animus by conservatives or straw man arguments.
both of which will get you bounced out of any credible logic 101 class.

so i will decline your offer to go to another blog.

[Puget Sound]

hey ks
i see andrew is careering down that dark road to dementia that ph(j)oanie has traveled. a place we call 'Kook-ville' population 3: ph(J)oanie, Coils, and M Steele.

Andrew, i said 'may' beat obama in 2008.

but don't believe me about this november. in fact, you should probably not bother to vote since it is so in the bag for democrats.

[KS]

The lib progs believe this blog is their bastion because they are more in numbers (or at least more different poster names). However, they have shown to be collectively lame in their arguments and specialize in ad hominem attacks abound in red herrings and straw men, but lacking in sound evidence.

Where is tres assholes when you need him ?

[sparky]

"specialize in ad hominem attacks"...
you're being ironic, right?

[KS]

Nope, see for yourself - the following are just two examples-

1) The Republicans want to deny health care to the vulnerable, those with pre-existing conditions and the poor.

The Nazis used the lie that Poland was preparing to attack them to launch blitzkrieg on the Polish Nation.

The Republicans used the lie of weapons of mass destruction to attack Iraq.

The Nazis used Joseph Goebbels “Big Lie” and Hans Hinkel’s propaganda to advance their agenda.

The Republicans use Fox News, Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck to spread their lies. (saintrudy)

2) There's no substance in your post, and it's plain for all to see. You've lost. You should spend more time on a blog with posters who already agree with you. You'll do better there. (andrew)

I know it pains you to realize and admit that your cohorts are doing the ad hominem, without substance at a high frequency. It happens every day. Not saying that PS, chucks, OIABM or other contrarians don't do it, but we cannot match the usual suspects in this vacuous category.

[Puget Sound]

Where is tres assholes when you need him ?

Posted by: KS | October 09, 2010 at 06:58 PM

oh, not to worry 'Tres' will be posting again with a couple friends at his side.

Spot on KS.
And I wish Andrew would grow a pair and stop whining about that contrarians post on this blog.

[Andrew]

KS accused someone else of making ad hominem attacks? Holy shit, that is funny.

KS won't defend his heartless politics. Remember the guy whos house burned down because he didn't pay the $75? In KS' utopia, the news wouldn't be about one person losing their house to an unextinguished fire, it would be about the many hundreds of familaies across the country lost their homes due to unextinguished fires - in a single day.

Don't believe people take stupid risks? Look at casinos. Look at the people conservatives put in office.

[KS]

Maher bloviates to Bill O that the Democrats have moved to the center and the Republican are the only extremists and there are no extremists on the left.

Amazing - He lives in an alternate universe. To him, mainstream is being a liberal progressive and anything else is an extremist. Maher is an elitist and doesn't realize it, but he has become an extremist on the left himself along with scam artists like Michael Moore and Alan Grayson, (soon to be former US Rep), Reid and Pelosi. He has had too many bong hits and has smoked too much crack in Hollywierd to see that the drugs are talking instead of him. I used to think he was liberal, but sharp enough to promote half-way intelliigent debate on Politically Incorrect in the late 90's.

I predict that Maher will go into a giant kiniption fit as will the mainstream media (ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN) upon seeing the results of the Nov 2nd election - to which I'll say - You lack professionalism and stop acting like a spoiled 6-year old who didn't get their way - whiners ! they'll need to have your diapers changed too...

[Puget Sound]

In KS' utopia, the news wouldn't be about one person losing their house to an unextinguished fire, it would be about the many hundreds of familaies across the country lost their homes due to unextinguished fires - in a single day.

Don't believe people take stupid risks? Look at casinos. Look at the people conservatives put in office.

Posted by: Andrew | October 09, 2010 at 08:22 PM

Probably the most ridiculous comment you posted to date, Andrew.
And that's saying something.

[KS]

KS won't defend his heartless politics. Remember the guy whos house burned down because he didn't pay the $75? In KS' utopia, the news wouldn't be about one person losing their house to an unextinguished fire, it would be about the many hundreds of familaies across the country lost their homes due to unextinguished fires - in a single day.

What heartless politics ? Give 2 examples. You are full of excrement, besides being ridiculous and spewing nonsense. You have nothing. Stop your whining and quit being a useful idiot, You need to go see the world and get out of your bubble, bubble boy.

[Puget Sound]

KS
In keeping with the fine tradition of the usual suspects, Andrew whines and misrepresents.

Let's make a deal: When the 'usual suspects' stop telling lies about us we'll stop telling the truth about them.
Sounds like a fair deal, eh?

[KS]

Andrew spewed:
"Anwser to the charge: how can you be a patriot while allowing less fortunate Americans to twist in the wind, especially children? Answer to it, or admit what you are."

Go to hell ! Because I am reviled at Obama-losi care, I am allowing less fortunate Americans to twist in the wind. That is an idiotic and baseless statement. I support repeal and replace Obama-losi care. All people are entitled to coverage, but why should there be any free lunches ? Subsidizing in worthy cases is acceptable. The proposed system is unconstitutional, fatally flawed, littered with special interest stench, will increase everyone's costs and is unacceptable.

Get out of your bubble, bubble boy..

[BlackRhino]

Putz, I think Andy was correct about unrestrained free markets. You never answered if you agree, as far as in can tell. I have to admit I didn’t read the subsequent posts so forgive me if I’m asking you to repeat yourself.

[sparky]

Well, that went right over your head. Nevermind.

[Puget Sound]

aside from that, how do you really feel about Obama-Care, KS?

[Puget Sound]

BR
I am happy to answer his question(s) but the problem with Andrew is that the ones he asks betray a fair amount of ignorance of the issue.
IF he can prepare a precise and cogent question, he'll get a reasoned and responsive answer.

So I await his question. If you can ferret it out among the straw, then post it.

(but I won't be able to answer until the morning as I am heading out the door)

[BlackRhino]

I think we know why he can’t answer. He and KS can respond with a personal quip or barb but to face their own cognitive dissonance, nope.

[BlackRhino]

Sparky wrote to KS;
you're being ironic, right?
Posted by: sparky | October 09, 2010 at 07:34 PM

You kid yourself if you think KS understands irony. KS called Andrew stupid, can you imagine that? Simply astonishing.

[BlackRhino]

I have also seen the Black Rhino show before - cast previously as rozkat, m steele or tres assholes (LOL). Western State is still looking for him.

Posted by: KS | October 09, 2010 at 02:49 PM

Why not address the issue? In may glimpse of the archives I did notice some of the posters you’ve acknowledged. Their posts and retorts did indeed expose your flaws. I think the most interesting detail is you guys have many, many detractors.

[KS]

BR aka tres assholes. You have nothing to offer except that you are just another gutless whiner. You obfuscate and flatulate, but you really need to get back on your meds. Western State is still tracking you, dude.

Multiple personality disorder is no laughing matter.

[KS]

Why not address the issue? In may glimpse of the archives I did notice some of the posters you’ve acknowledged.

Posted by: BlackRhino | October 09, 2010 at 09:45 PM

ROFLMAO ! I'll be glad to address it, when you coherently define the issue, which you and Andrew have failed to do.

[Dr. Bill]

Gloria Allred would lick a topilet bowl if she thought there was some money in it. All you vulgar lib bastards up there better get ready for Governor Whitman...Jerry Brown, your greenie boy just put his penis on a wringer woth the "whore" comment caught on tape. Is tha GREENIE LIB BASTARD jOANIE AROUND? HOW'S ABOUT YOU DISAVOW THOSE COMMENTS MADE UNDER YOUR NAME HERE A WHILE BACK CONCERNING 911, AS PER TOMMY0008'S REQUEST? oh gee, i guess maybe there was no impostor fella after all? Maybe that wes just Joanie posting all along? Dr. Bill

[Andrew]

I just appreciate the chance to pick the brains(?) of these low information voters who cast their ballot for the likes of Hairdo Reichart or BIAW Rossi. Seattle is allegedly the most well read city in the nation, and yet once in a while we somehow send dimwitted one note Republicans like Dave Reichart to the other Washington, and we ask, who the hell actually voted for that guy? Behold. We've located the problem, and they're taking questions (though, not necessarily providing answers).

[puget sound]

yes, seattle can be so 'proud' of returning jim mcdermott to the House year after year.
jeez andrew, catch a clue

[puget sound]

you guys have many, many detractors.

Posted by: BlackRhino | October 09, 2010 at 09:45 PM

of course we do, problem is that it's the same couple of posters using different names. redmond dim, m steele, rozskat, br, etc etc etc.
the names change, but the tone remains the same.

[KS]

"I just appreciate the chance to pick the brains(?) of these low information voters who cast their ballot for the likes of Hairdo Reichart or BIAW Rossi. Seattle is allegedly the most well read city in the nation, and yet once in a while we somehow send dimwitted one note Republicans like Dave Reichart to the other Washington, and we ask, who the hell actually voted for that guy? Behold. We've located the problem, and they're taking questions (though, not necessarily providing answers)."

Posted by: Andrew | October 10, 2010 at 12:39 AM"

Grasping at straws again, eh ? Andrew has clearly defined himself as a low information voter by the content of the above comment. The alternatives to Reichert and Rossi (just 2 examples) are worse because they are status quo and part of the mounting problem.

Seattle being the most educated city does not point to it being the haven of most common sensical voters largely because they are so close minded - they think liberalism is the only answer. There is an direct correlation of most educated with most dimwitted or most insane in this case, otherwise they'd vote for change when it is sorely needed.

[Andrew]

Why do people who make a career out of the exchange of knowledge overwhelmingly lean liberal?

Why do farmers in the midwest, who receive government subsidies, and various payment from the government to moderate their yields overwhelmingly claim to prefer a "hands off" government?

The fact of the matter is that conservatives arrive at their political conviction by only considering their own needs while liberals arrive at theirs through their concern for others, and this point has been demonstrated over and over again.

I'm still waiting for KS to explain how he can claim to care about his fellow Americans while advocating policies that would further decouple the governemnt from essential services, and in doing so, put millions of children in greater risk than they're in now.

[puget sound]

Why do people who make a career out of the exchange of knowledge overwhelmingly lean liberal?

Posted by: Andrew | October 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM

Oh pleeez, are you referring to academia? What a patently absurd appeal to authority.

Lets follow Andrew's logic.

Those in the real world of business, law enforcement or the military tend to lean conservative.
Why is that Andrew?

Maybe, those who can't... teach?

[KS]

I'm still waiting for KS to explain how he can claim to care about his fellow Americans while advocating policies that would further decouple the governemnt from essential services, and in doing so, put millions of children in greater risk than they're in now.

Posted by: Andrew | October 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM

I will repeat again;
I support repeal and replace Obama-losi care. All people are entitled to coverage, but why should there be any free lunches and regulations that cost everyone who pays more ? Subsidizing in worthy cases is acceptable. The proposed system is unconstitutional, fatally flawed, littered with special interest stench, will increase everyone's costs and is unacceptable.

That debunks your full of excrement assertion. You have nothing else except that red herring. As said before, you are a low information voter. You keep pulling these arguments out of your ass - un-freakin-believable !

[puget sound]

ks
you're trying to explain free markets to someone who lacks the life experience to comprehend.
he truly is a low information voter. he'll no doubt willingly pull the lever for a jim mcdermott in the finest tradition of a lemming headed for the cliff.
FORTUNATELY, the american people have woke up and we'll see some corrective action put in place to repeal and replace obama-care, the miracle of sunlight to clear out the cockroaches (we'll know what's in the bill AFTER we pass the bill), and fiscal restraints.

[Joanie the real one]

Gawd! Where's Duffman this blog is getting BORING, at least he kept it fun!!!

[Puget Sound]

Good point Joanie

It's part of that Democrat Malaise. Hell, even Coils has been hiding under a rock pretty much since the upcoming Nov drubbing became self evident.

[KS]

I understand that Duffman has been banned from this blog - for what reason I do not know. He did have a way of keeping the conversation more interesting.

Maybe there can be a write in campaign to bring him back if it gets too boring - just sayin'.

[Puget Sound]

I vote to bring back Duffman.

Hell, even ph(J)oanie is pining for his return!

Sparkles, you okay with Duff coming back?

[sparky]

That wasn't joanie.

[Andrew]

KS says "I support repeal and replace Obama-losi care. All people are entitled to coverage, but why should there be any free lunches and regulations that cost everyone who pays more ? Subsidizing in worthy cases is acceptable. The proposed system is unconstitutional, fatally flawed, littered with special interest stench, will increase everyone's costs and is unacceptable."

Saying "I would vote for Obamacare if weren't for pages 2386 and 14592 of the proposed bill" is a common Republican stall tactic. You say you want to help but you can't because there's some technical problem bullshit. If you really cared you'd be willing to take steps in the right direction and not act as a road block towards progress.

[KS]

If you really cared you'd be willing to take steps in the right direction and not act as a road block towards progress.

Posted by: Andrew | October 10, 2010 at 09:01 PM

Earth to Andrew - the whole legislation is a pile of excrement. kapish ? It is fatally flawed, unconstitutional and needs to be defunded, then repealed and replaced after Obama is voted out in 2012 - and that will be a big albatross around his neck because he signed it into law. Until then, we have an existing medical care system that will continue, so stop your whining. Do us all a favor and research this topic before you respond because you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Of course I don't expect that, rather I expect the same old tired and ignorant propaganda. If you really cared, you wouldn't spew the baseless bullshit that you do that is hypocritical...

[I love SLO]

Duffman was exterminated

[Chucks]

Anybody that could get joanie as pissed off as Duffy did on such a regular basis is OK in my book.

[BlackRhino]

KS, if I broke down your post to Andrew I’d find only one relevant portion. The rest was fluff and bluster. The relevant part is the unconstitutionally claim. But even this is sheer bullshit because if it were true someone would have taken it to the judiciary and won. Silly, silly human.

[Andrew]

BlackRhino said it. And your argument that it's unconstitutional (a talking point you've repeated, not an original thought you came up with) supports my argument that you exploit procedure and technicality in order to avoid helping innocent children who belong to under or non-insured families. It's a slimy tactic and you're a slimy person.

The fact that KS' posts are 95% profane shouting and 5% rehashed talking point should tell anyone everything they need to know about your typical Rossi/Reichart voter.

[Puget Sound]

Duffman was exterminated

Posted by: I love SLO | October 10, 2010 at 10:09 PM

not true, in addition to posting regularly over at SP he's been fairly active in the local chapter of MENSA.

[Puget Sound]

The relevant part is the unconstitutionally claim. But even this is sheer bullshit because if it were true someone would have taken it to the judiciary and won. Silly, silly human.

Posted by: BlackRhino | October 10, 2010 at 10:51 PM

It's winding through the courts as we speak. A Clinton appointed Fed Judge recently upheld its constitutionality under a reading of the Commerce Clause. But we'll see how that argument works further up the line.
A key is whether the Federal Gov't can fine you if you fail to buy a product or service.

[Puget Sound]

Sparkles, you okay with Duff coming back?

Posted by: Puget Sound | October 10, 2010 at 08:13 PM
sparky

That wasn't joanie.

Posted by: sparky | October 10, 2010 at 08:40 PM

Not sure how you could tell from the posting, but say it is so on the most pressing issue is that a yes or a no on Duff returning?

[KS]

Andrew - How about responding with some facts ? So, tell me why is the current governor of West Virginia, who previously supported Obamacare, now says Nuke Obamacare ? Could it be because he found out what was in the bill ?

Andrew is a product of government schools - he has been successfully brainwashed and molded into someone incapable of critical thinking.

[Puget Sound]

Andrew is a product of government schools - he has been successfully brainwashed and molded into someone incapable of critical thinking.

Posted by: KS | October 11, 2010 at 08:34 AM

KS, when facts and reason come into play Andrew tends to tuck tail and scamper away.
But if you want to argue based on 'emotions' then he'll be all in.

[KS]

PS - Yup, sad and true. These people have zero common sense and worship the idol of big government, which can both give and take away. Even Barney Frank is being challenged for his seat in MA - hope he loses. People are starting to see the fakery and straw men that the liberals thrive on. They have the refuge of the statist media to cover for them more than ever before - that's why I like the alternate media.

Also, Saul Alinsky tactics are now also being used by conservatives to give the neo-Marxist left a dose of their own medicene. How dare they do such a thing ! the left was only supposed to do that.

Newsflash - It was reported that someone threw a book at Obama over the weekend at one of his stump speeches, but no one knows who yet. Just like the Iraqi who threw the shoe at Bushm, who ducked successfully...

[Puget Sound]

Even Barney Frank isn't safe given the title wave coming against the Dems.
What a rebuke.
I hope the Repub party understands that this isn't based off of any desire to return to the spending ways of the Bush Admin. And no more of the religious right, either.

This is a real rebuke.

Hey Usual Suspects, How's bagging on that Tea Party working for ya? Doesn't that Tea taste good!

LMAO.

Still waiting for Andrew to answer those salient questions posed by KS.
Or maybe Duff was right, Andrew is all hat and no cattle aka an empty suit.