Oy.

The Fox News circular lie:

Tell the lie. Then report that the lie is being told.

Repeat the lie. Then report that the lie is being repeated.

Headline: People believe lie! 

Comments

[sparky]

Yep..teh stoopid is celebrated in this country.

[Coiler]

We don't have to worry about foreign terrorists, just domestic morons.

[KS]

Goebbels perfected this practice. Alinsky fine tuned it. Just sayin.

[markos]

You mean George Goebbels? How can perfection be fine-tuned? Just askin.

[Andrew]

It's come to a point where conservative's most distinguishing characteristic is their mass ignorance.

The right has broken into a lot of smaller ice burgs lately. You have the libertarians, the racists, the evangelicals, the crazies, a group that follows Sarah Palin wherever she goes, etc. There is no conservative voice, no leadership, except maybe professional golfer John Boner, who doesn't seem to speak for any one particular group. The only thing all these little divisions have in common is mass ignorance and gullibility. They'll believe anything as long as it plays to their fears and racism. You could suggest that Obama is a vampire and polls would show that some conservatives believe Obama is a vampire. How do you defend this obvious ignorance?

[sparky]

You can't and it's a waste of time to try. You can't argue with people like that.

[Coiler]

Yes, the great news is Clint Didler won't endorse Rossi unless he pledges to take an unequivocal stand against abortion, take a no-new-taxes pledge and promise not to increase federal spending.

I say keep it up GOP.

[Andrew]

I don't know much about Didler but refusing to endorse a candidate whos stances differ from your own make perfect sense. I'm happy to see that they aren't "carrying the water" for eachother as Rush did for Bush even though he claims he didn't truly believe in what Bush was doing.

[KS]

You mean George Goebbels? How can perfection be fine-tuned? Just askin.

Posted by: markos | August 20, 2010 at 12:30 PM

Joseph Goebbels. One man's perfection is another's fine tune.

[The Symbol for Boron]

Do you mean Paul J. Alinsky formerly of Sentinel Alarm? (I never thought George Goebbels was very funny. I think he was frequently drunk on Carson (Johnny, not Daly).)

[tigsnort]

It wouldn't be so bad if all the dumbshits in this country didn't have multi-billion dollar corporations spoon feeding them this propaganda. Rightwing ignorants used to be marginalized and never taken seriously (Eisenhower even called them "stupid"), but now they have power, in fact they now set the national discourse.

I used to think Bush was America hitting bottom, but now I see we've still got a ways to go.

[sparky]

Yep...it's depressing.

[KS]

Living in utopia still...

Substitute powerful unions and large corporations for multi-billion dollar corporations and leftwing sycophants for rightwing ignorants and you have framed the concerns of over half of America.

[tigsnort]

Concerns that have no basis in reality.

I suppose all this anti-Muslim crap dominating the media is due to the left-wing corporate establishment, eh KS?

[KS]

Correction - concerns about the direction of this country that are rooted in reality - ~ 60% believe we are moving in the wrong direction, but evidently not in your utopia-make believe world. This pertains to the state of the union.

Americans in general are ignorant about outsiders and their religions and the media is doing us a disservice by feeding us half-baked stories because they believe they are above researching the facts. I don't subscribe to irrational anti-muslim rants where each practicing muslim is a terrorist - however I believe the religion definitely needs a reformation in the middle east and we don't need to fight any more wars over there.

Obama is not a Muslim. Where did Fox news claim Obama is a muslim ? show me... All they did was report the results of a poll that show 24% believe he is a muslim vs. 11% back in Jan 2009. The WH shot back with the caption on the screen that he is a "Christian" in their attempt to diminish the effect of said poll.

[sparky]

Reviewing Michael's post will answer your question:

The Fox News circular lie:

Tell the lie. Then report that the lie is being told.

Repeat the lie. Then report that the lie is being repeated.

Headline: People believe lie!

[Coiler]

Indeed, VG

[KS]

Not so fast. Those were only words of accusation. Where is the rest of the story, namely the evidence of said lie being told there ? Headlines and sound bytes are often manipulative and people are stupid to accept them without being curious about reading or hearing the rest of the story.

[tigsnort]

KS wrote: "Obama is not a Muslim. Where did Fox news claim Obama is a muslim ? show me... "

The rumor was started on FOX, KS. "FOX & Friends", to be specific. Brief clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6LBbeXTww

Google the terms "fox & friends" obama madrassa, you'll see all kinds of links about it.

[KS]

The Fox news channel may have floated that rumor on Fox and Friends - a talk show, but it was not aired on any newscasts.

Seems like Mr. Obama prefers to be the mystery guy

[KS]

Try this;

Seems like Mr. Obama prefers to be the mystery guy

[KS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6LBbeXTww

Dated: Jan. 31, 2007 - over 3 1/2 years ago - when he first announced he was running for POTUS.

That lends all the more credence to the above link.

[tigsnort]

KS wrote: "The Fox news channel may have floated that rumor on Fox and Friends - a talk show, but it was not aired on any newscasts."

I think Brit Hume's Special Report a newscast.

"On Special Report, Brit Hume stated that Malik Obama, Sen. Barack Obama's half brother, "tells The Jerusalem Post that 'if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.' " In fact, the article to which Hume was apparently referring indicated that Malik Obama did not speak directly with the Post but, rather, gave an interview to Israel's Army Radio. Moreover, nowhere in audio of the interview that ABC's Jake Tapper posted did Malik Obama assert that Obama "will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.""

Video at the link:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200806180008

In the above example, not only is Brit Hume, News Man, trying paint Obama as a Muslim, he's outright lying about it.

[tigsnort]

Sorry about the grammar in the above post, I left out an "is" and a "to". This board needs an edit function, dang it!

[Shane]

Only a conservakook would justify this silliness with a he said she said defense.

[ExPatBrit]

KS, I hear that 60% figure a lot.

I tend to think this country is moving in the wrong direction also.

However I assume that the direction you want to go is probably quite different to me.

Probably not the opposite since I daresay we might agree on somethings, but if you want to go due North I could be heading SW.

So what does that prove other than that we are very divided country?

[Andrew]

How can conservatives accuse Obama of not doing enough to prove he's a Christian and simultaneously accusing him of being influenced by Reverend Wright, and keep a straight face? Stupid arguments aimed a stupid audience I guess.

[KS]

Another no-brainer. Reverend Wright is not a Christian, Andy... He is a Black Liberationist and an ally of Farrakhan - the Muslim and before that he himself was a Black Muslim - look it up.

So what's your stupid argument ? Keep blaming Bush and the opposition - its wearing thin. There are certain things to blame them on, but this one is of Obama's doing- deal with it !

ExPat - I suspect our directions are different - I like smaller government and you likely don't for starters. Divided indeed.

[Nick]

24% believe he is a muslim ................

Hey KS, where would you guess those 24% get their news from? Be honest.

[Chucks]

Who really knows what the guy is? He was born a Muslim, but raised a Christian by his grand parents. Does anybody know when and where he was baptised? Does anybody know, likewise when and where he renounced his muslimism?
Most of us in the 24% don't really think he is a muslim. It is just huge fun lighting up the libs by answering that way. It drives many of you beyond what nuts you already are to begin with.

[tigsnort]

So, Chuckie, folks like you would rather lie to anger people you disagree with than be honest and truthful. Wow, what character, what integrity... what morals rightwingers possess.

[Shane]

Ughh, what’s the problem with being a Muslim? I see him as smart, unflappable and a winner (crushed the GOPs nuts in his presidential run). If Muslim is perceived this way then the only folks who will complain are the jealous types( the GOP).

[Andrew]

The problem with Obama being muslim is that our country is full of racists. Some say the conservative media mislead Americans into believing that Saddam was involved in 9-11, but the truth is that most Americans assumed that from the very beginning. When you've been raised on a diet of religion and movies, there's good guys and there's bad guys, and the bad guys usually have accents. If your skin is brown and you talk funny, you're a terrorist. Simplicity is what makes America great.

[KS]

A divided country - the leftwing are hypocrites and skilled liars who call rightwing racists or even terrorists here.

As the current regime has fubar policies they take credit for, the Democratics are the ones who will get their nuts crushed in November. The last regime paid a price for bad policies in 2006 and similarly this one will pay a price in November.

[Tommy008]

One of the creeps that aer spearheading this asinine mosgue projsect is making noises about reconsidering. She said she would have to talk to their investment stakeholders before making a final decision. This is a change from their previously totally bullheaded position. My prediction is they'll back down and relocate after seeing that a majority of people , nationwide see them as insensitive jackasses and that they will be hardpressed to find NYC construction workers to work on the projsect. The won't move it because they've come to see themselves in a different light, they'll still see themselves as totally righteous and the protestors as infidel dogs, but they will move simply out of practical considerations. These peopple are not terrorists as far as i know, they are simply really uncaring, coarsely insensitive, boorish, obnoxious assholes.

[SBrat]

You know what I want? I want Obama impeached, the healthcare bill defunded and 20 Democrats being investigated in the first session of Congress next year. That's why we need majorities in both houses. It won't be hard if we have both houses, and it could be done if we have the House alone.
This man must be stopped, and I no longer think that is impossible or even improbable. Obama is unpopular, the economy sucks and people are increasingly fearful. We've got his incompetence, the racial thing, the insecurity, the appeasement, and the sinking feeling that he's a Muslim. Even his own Party is sick of him and afraid of how he might stumble next. The stars are lined up. That's why this election this Fall is so important. If we play it right, we could get Biden running in 2012 instead of Hillary. Then it will be easy. Most any Republican could beat Joe.

[sparky]

That damn Constitution, with all that freedom of religion and freedom of speech shit. I mean, come on. If you're a true Amuriken, you will agree that them dang furinerrs don't have the same rights, even if they were born here. Get with the program!

[Tommy008]

youre post reminds me of dr laura complaining about her freedom of speech rights being violated. she has her right to speech, just not a right to make jackass remarks with no repercussions. htis freedom of religion crapola that obama talked about and the extreme left are now parroting is a total straw man- no one has ever said they don't have a right to build there. they have a "right" to build there and worship there, but not a right to build there and worship there without the justified shitstorm that now exists, and the probable refusal of construction workers to work on their site. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

[Tommy008]

Attempting to cartoon the majority of Americans that are aGAINST THE mOSQUE as ignorant zenophobes and nativists is ignoarant in itrself and shows how out of touch wiht the reality the fringe left wing of the Dems are. Obama's siding with a groupf of foreign Muslim poobahs (they weren't even American Muslims at the dinner, juse foreign embassy people) against the American people has disgusted and repulsed the country.

[sparky]

Well, if you say so.

[Andrew]

Liberals aren't welcoming the mosque with open arms, they're simply being true to American values and rights with respect to freedom of religion, something conservatives frequently have a hard time understanding and appreciating. Conservatism is stupidity turn political party these days. They claim that it's America's freedom and individualism that the terrorists hate, yet at the same time they do everything they can to make Christianity the national religion and coerce lawmakers into passing laws that reflect their religious values. Conservatives. Too much stupid for any one group of people.

[KS]

More mindless drivel here while this country keeps slouching toward being a banana republic with the current anarchistic statists in power. Stupid is as stupid does...

[Joanie's Teacher Aide]

As a true Liberal, I really hate it when people hijack my Party.
Rahm Emanuel and Hary Reid have done more to discredit my Dem Party then a battalion of Rush Limbaugh Hot Talkers.
No wonder we are going to take a whupping at the next election.
We need to clean house, get rid of the Blue Dogs like Ben Campbell type, and move further to the left. If we move left, the country will have the good sense to follow.
Bush needs to charged be for high crimes and mistermeanors. Same with Cheney and what the heck happened to talking about Donald Rumsfield?
In November, the elections will be rigged. You herd it hear first.

[sparky]

They haven't been called "teacher's aides" since 1970. Lame effort.

[Joanie's Teacher aide]

Don't mock me. I have been lurking for awhile on this blog to understand it. My first post and I step right in it. Sorry.
I am just trying to support the true Liberals on this blog. Calling me lame doesn't help. I expect that from the conservatives who have put us in debt, in war, and in disarray.
I only use the term Teacher Aide as a form of solidarity with posters like Joanie.
Sorry for the poor spelling.

[Andrew]

No, they're still called teacher's aides to this day.

[KS]

I only use the term Teacher Aide as a form of solidarity with posters like Joanie.
Sorry for the poor spelling.

Posted by: Joanie's Teacher aide | August 23, 2010 at 10:21 AM

Howard Zinn would be proud as he turns over in his grave.

[sparky]

what does Howard Zinn have to do with it?

[Andrew]

I don't get it either.

[The Anti-Dori]

"Howard Zinn" is the first name that popped into KS' mind. He could have spouted "Saul Alinsky" or "Karl Marx" or any other Fox-fed label that came to mind. He doesn't know sh*t about any of them.