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January 01, 2010

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joanie

Ah Drew. You've been seduced into the circle talk of our least favorite know-nothing, sputs You'll get your fill eventually. Everybody does.

Watched the Brian Baird town hall meeting held in Olymjpia in 'August. I saw almost all of it. It was fascinating. Only one jerk and he stood out like a swollen thumb because everybody else was pleasant. Hope he learned a thing or two.

Baird was respectful and, best of all, knowledgeable and erudite. Some people asked questions off topic and he was fine with that. When the Rush-addicted dittohead raised his voice and sounded like a male-Palin and referenced the Constitution, Baird pulled out his copy and read it to the guy. That shut him up. These people are so propagandized. And they sound so stoopid when they're trying to sound smart. Hopefully, he got an earful. But it probably didn't take.

I like Baird. I wondered - after all was said and done - if he didn't decide to retire because there's just too much idiocy and ignorance out there. He's probably tired of it. And even of the corruption in Congress. He just talked so directly, honestly and clearly. He knew his stuff. That District will miss him.

I wish we could fire the Senate.


Dr. Bill, are you talking to yourself? Tad schizophrenic are we? Hmm?

KS

" Long, long before you started using it, the term "progressive" was coined to describe liberals who didn't want to see their persuasion become stagnant or immobile as society continues to change and adapt to world events. It means "moving forward", so it doesn't make much sense when you apply it to people who grow government- People like McCain and Bush were anything but progressive, as they were actually taking us backwards in philosophy and culture. War: not progressive. Torture: not progressive. Standing by as the oil companies raised gas prices, hurting small businesses, the poor and middle-class: definitely not progressive.
Most would clearly define McCain, Bush and Graham as "regressive"

Posted by: Drew | January 02, 2010 at 06:47 PM

In other words, Progressives believe in the living breathing constitution, which gives them more latitude to legislate from the bench.

Drew - Which so-called conservative blogs did you
check ? Did you try NW Republican ? Powerline ?Your views are liberally biased. Conservative and moderate views would disagree with yours., in fact - the truth be known' the name Progressive has always been is a misnomer to many - they are really "regressive", because they advocate big government and favor the totalitarian state and could also be referred to more bluntly as Statists, which I will gladly do from now on, so as not cause any more confusion. The big government suppresses freedom of the people and where it may progressively grow the government larger and powerful, it is regressive for the people that are under the Government's rule. For instance: higher taxes - regressive/oppressive, government run health care - oppressive, refusing to drill offshore for oil - regressive/oppressive, refusing to develop nuclear power - regressive, carbon tax (cap and trade)- regressive/oppressive. not protecting our borders - regressive.
I agree with you that McCain, Graham and GW Bush are regressives (see above), but for a different reason that you say it.

The Obama Administration's definition of waterboarding for torture was mainly conjured up by the ACLU and also because Bush did it and their game is blame Bush wherever possible.

Waterboarding is necessary in some instances. I will side with the 58% in recent polling that favored waterboarding the "panty bomber" that was caught on Christmas Day.

"Even FBI Director Robert Mueller says that no usable information has ever come from torture."

Source, please ?

KS

Brian Baird was the best Dem US Rep behind Adam Smith - doesn't mean I'd vote for him though. Baird supposedly wants to spend more time with the family. He made some stupid statements calling the Tea Party/Town Hall meeting goers - Nazis/Brown shirts - sounding like Pelosi talking points, which he later retracted.

Unlike Inslee, Dicks and Larson - he was a standup guy and appeared on conservative talk shows and stated his position. He may have voted against the House Health Care bill, and if that's the case I commend him for that.

joanie

ACLU? Oh God. What would you do without acronyms, KS? You're always blaming some stupid organization.

Everybody except politicians have agreed that waterboarding is torture and torture does not work. That has been overwhelmingly contested by even people in the bush administration. Good grief!

Two effing wars; countless kids dead and permanetly disabled; tens of thousands of Iraqi women and children and now Afghanis killed or maimed; the rich getting richer and the poor poorer. All for oil and the bank accounts of the wealthy.

You must be one very rich dude. The only thing I can think of that would result in such stoopidity is money. Money - or the love of it - is the root of all evil. You are one evil dude. Well, enjoy your war profits. You must be doing well.

And the Obama Administration is effing wrong as well. He seems not to want to rock the boat. It is time someone did.

joanie

He made some stupid statements calling the Tea Party/Town Hall meeting goers - Nazis/Brown shirts - sounding like Pelosi talking point.

And, umm, just what are the pelosi talking points? Inform me, please. You must watch/listen to her an awful lot to know all her talking points. Does she have them listed online somewhere I'd love to read them.

Funny, you think highly of Baird and yet take issue when he correctly labels your heroes who come to town halls to disrupt democratic discussion. Why is that?

You never did answer my question about global warming. Does that make you a ske... or just ignorant?

Andrew

I can understant supporting an ideology but I can't fathom how you all find the energy to defend certain actors within that ideology. I consider myself liberal but I'd never take the time out of my day to defend a liberal politician. Eat them alive. I don't care.

I have no problem debating political theory because if you prove me wrong, I become smarter for the experience. I stand nothing to gain from defending any particular character.

Puget Sound

he Library Tower plot was uncovered in February of 2002, and KSM wasn't even captured until March of 2003.

Posted by: Drew | January 02, 2010 at 10:26 PM

there was more than one set of attacks planned for america. but hey, if you don't want to believe what the people in the field are saying in the directly attributed sources i can't stop you.

Puget Sound

Ah Drew. You've been seduced into the circle talk of our least favorite know-nothing, sputs You'll get your fill eventually. Everybody does.

Posted by: joanie | January 03, 2010 at 12:38 AM

that's joanie-speak for 'can't debate.'
same old line with the same odor of 'failure' to it.
i hope that 2010 turns out better for you.

KS

"You never did answer my question about global warming. Does that make you a ske... or just ignorant?"

There you go again, foaming at the mouth without verifying your comments. What are you talking about - I did answer your question about GW on another posts.

Go ahead, keep burying your head in the sand. Re: Pelosi talking points. I challenge you to check across the ideological divide on a
Conservative website or else you won't hear them from the remainder of the media, but would be surprised if you did. With due respect, Pelosi is a dishonest biotch who often doesn't have her facts straight. I'd like to believe that you or most anyone else are better than her. Her approval rating in the House is about 15% - worse than Bush - there must be a good reason for that..

For instance she claimed that in late 2008 that there were over 500 million became unemployed in the US in the last 3 months and never bothered to correct that number - either the height of arrogance, ignorance or some of both.

KS

Joanie - you are essentially claiming what the FBI Director allegedly said below as cited by Drew. I am skeptical that he ever said such a thing - if properly quoted in context, so I ask.

"Even FBI Director Robert Mueller says that no usable information has ever come from torture."

Source, please ?

KS

Re: Global Warming - What have we lost if we err on the side of prevention?"

The short answer: Trillions of taxpayer dollars that will get sucked dry on a continuing basis by corporations/unions and governments, once C(r)ap and Trade and a Copenhagen agreement is in place.

It will be corruption on a world wide scale. Follow the money.

Drew

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/24/national/main4039946.shtml

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2008/12/torture200812?currentPage=4

http://people.famouswhy.com/robert_mueller/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6neVBK5dSeI

Drew

More on Mueller, the illegality of torture, and his FBI policies against it...
Robert Mueller, who was appointed by Bush in 2001 and remains FBI director under Obama, delivered that assessment at the end of this December 2008 article in Vanity Fair on torture:

I ask Mueller: So far as he is aware, have any attacks on America been disrupted thanks to intelligence obtained through what the administration still calls “enhanced techniques”?

“I’m really reluctant to answer that,” Mueller says. He pauses, looks at an aide, and then says quietly, declining to elaborate: “I don’t believe that has been the case.”

That stands in direct contrast to Dick Cheney’s recent claim that torture has been “enormously valuable” in terms of “preventing another mass-casualty attack against the United States.”

Peeroy Jabbar

Sunday radio is so bad im reduced to listeniNG for a few minutes to Brian Suits KFI Sunday show Dark Secret Place. i never thought that I'd long for Tim Conway Jr. to come on the air at 4, but i do now. No way I'm listening to Suits whiny, peeved, petulant and unpleasant voice for 70 more minutes.

KS

From the quote, Mueller gave a shaky answer that I am skeptical about - more like a subjective opinion.
I don't agree with Cheney's response either regarding enhanced interrogation. It is not really conclusive either way.

The best response is to have the necessary tools available to get the vital classified information that will be available to not minimize endangerment of citizens.

BTW - Terrorists without a country (which is what Al Qaeda is) are not covered by the Geneva Convention,

KS

With that said, the Obama Administration has taken away some of those tools, with the loss of waterboarding and now, they appear to only try terrorists in civilian courts. Also, Obama signed an exec. order allowing the daily WH briefing to be openly available, which overturned Pres. Clinton's and Bush's exec. order.

Time will tell as to the affects this will have and I believe that these measures will have adverse effects.

sparky

"BTW - Terrorists without a country (which is what Al Qaeda is) are not covered by the Geneva Convention, "

No, but WE are, and we agreed not to torture people. Its not just an agreement to keep OUR soldiers from being tortured, which is more likely now that we have done it.

Willamette

good point, something insane right wingers forget

KS

No, but WE are, and we agreed not to torture people. Its not just an agreement to keep OUR soldiers from being tortured, which is more likely now that we have done it.

Posted by: sparky | January 03, 2010 at 07:24 PM

blah, blah, blah. We have become like Burger King to the terrorists - have it your way.

mealymouthed Politically correct policies, promoted by the statist left will continue to give the terrorists the advantage.

ProgressiveStatist

we're going to have to start waterboarding the rethugs, to find out what they know.

Coiler

Burger King and terrorists. Odd phrasing there.

Drew

Maybe if ks hadn't hired Bush and Cheney to operate the drive-up window it wouldn't have happened.

Coiler

I thought Cheney was still moonlighting at Denny's?

Drew

ROTFLMAO! The Onion- America's only trusted news source!

sparky

This morning, a woman who used to work for a major east coast airport, dealing exclusively with flights from Nigeria, said that there is NO security in their airports there. Hand the gate agent a big sum of money, and they let you on the plane without checking ID. Nigeria is where we need to concentrate on helping improve airport security. Why does an underwear scan in Topeka make us any safer??

sparky

Limbaugh praised the hospital in hawaii for his treatment, saying it was the best in the world...apparently not realizing that the nurses who took care of him are BIG time union members
( SEIU ) and the state of Hawaii has one of the most progressive health care plans in the country,,Hawaii state law requires employers to provide health insurance for all their workers.

RacerX

"Before the CIA used enhanced techniques . . . KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, 'Soon you will find out.' " Once the techniques were applied, "interrogations have led to specific, actionable intelligence, as well as a general increase in the amount of intelligence regarding al Qaeda and its affiliates."
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Posted by: Puget Sound | January 02, 2010 at 09:39 PM


Drew, the writer of this article was in fact writing about the attack of the Library Tower. Hiding the truth is akin to lying, Puget Sound. Here is the byline of the author and his credentials’.

Marc A. Thiessen The writer, a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, served in senior positions in the Pentagon and the White House from 2001 to 2009, most recently as chief speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

The above is all you need to know when Puget Sound posts a quote.

Drew

In the words of one of my heroes, Jim Hightower, "Thanks for clearing up the fibbery". The cons are using up a lot of energy trying to justify torture, which has no moral justification in a civilized democracy.

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