take your answer off the air...

  • HorsesAss.Org: the straight poop on WA politics & the press
    progressive brilliance from the guy who pointed out Tim Eyman's nascent horse's-assedness
  • Talker's Magazine
    The quirky talk radio trade mag. Check the Talk Radio Research Project- it's not very scientific, but places on the top 15 talkers list (scroll down to Talk Radio Audiences By Size)) are as hotly contested as Emmys (and mean just about as much).
  • The Advocate
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  • Media Matters
    Documentation of right-wing media in video, audio and text.
  • Orcinus
    home of David Neiwert, freelance investigative journalist and author who writes extensively about far-right hate groups
  • Hominid Views
    "People, politics, science, and whatnot" Darryl is a statistician who fights imperialism with empiricism, gives good links and wry commentary.
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  • The Naked Loon
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    "informs, challenges, soothes and/or berates, and does so with a pleasing vocal cadence and unmatched enunciation. When you listen to IPR, integrity washes over you like lava, with the pleasing familiarity of a medium-roast coffee and a sensible muffin."
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  • Northwest Broadcasters
    The AM, FM, TV and digital broadcasters of Northwest Washington, USA and Southwest British Columbia, Canada. From Kelso, WA to the northern tip of Vancouver Island, BC - call letters, formats, slogans, networks, technical data, and transmitter maps. Plus "recent" news.
  • News Corpse
    The Internet's chronicle of media decay.
  • The Moderate Voice
    The voice of reason in the age of Obama, and the politics of the far-middle.
  • News Hounds
    Dogged dogging of Fox News by a team who seems to watch every minute of the cable channel so you don't have to.
  • HistoryLink
    Fun to read and free encyclopedia of Washington State history. Founded by the late Walt Crowley, it's an indispensable tool and entertainment source for history wonks and surfers alike.

right-wing blogs we like

  • The Reagan Wing
    Hearin lies the real heart of Washington State Republicans. Doug Parris runs this red-meat social conservative group site which bars no holds when it comes to saying who they are and who they're not; what they believe and what they don't; who their friends are and where the rest of the Republicans can go. Well-written, and flaming.
  • Orbusmax
    inexhaustible Drudgery of NW conservative news
  • The Radio Equalizer
    prolific former Seattle KVI, KIRO talk host speaks authoritatively about radio.
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December 20, 2009



Just watched Axelrod and later Dean on Meet the Press online. One of Gregory's better endeavors. And good panel discussion afterwards.

Dean just makes so much sense. Axelrod is a cheerleader but an earnest one. Dean is just plain smart. He thinks the bill is better than before but still thinks it's a gift to the the industry and why health insurance company stocks reached a high on Friday.

Follow the money.

Markos took on briefly Ed Gillespie. I don't know how republicans can look in the mirror in the morning considering the number of lies and deceptive ideas that pass their lips.

It's the adults (Dems) vs. the children (Repubs). An ubsurd, upside -down American universe.

German reporter called Inhofe "ridiculous" in Copenhagen. Then inhofe flew back to his secure location in stoopid america.

Oh, nice to hear some adult comments from Mark Lloyd. No name calling. No extreme language. Just a good natured denial of all the extreme rhetoric ranted from the right. Take a lesson you guys.


The above mentioned spewers can't afford to let a voice of reason take hold. Much better for their ratings if their fan base remains suspicious, if not downright hostile to anything Obama.


The guy (Lloyd) is a self-professed Marxist along with the likes of Van Jones. I don't see him trying to take the opposing point of view off of the air though - the opposition to that has been mobilized. Another one of O-bamy's radical left wing czars.

"Oh, nice to hear some adult comments from Mark Lloyd. No name calling. No extreme language. Just a good natured denial of all the extreme rhetoric ranted from the right"

He knew he was treading on thin ice with his dubious past so he really had no other recourse if he wanted to remain viable. His radical left ideology is well-documented by Andrew. Breitbart and others (although many of the excerpts have probably been removed from YouTube as damage control).

I take issue with Ph(J)oanie that Democrats are adults - what prescription drugs are you on ? They act like juvenile delinquents, lead by the Mafioso from Chicago in the White House (Rahm, Axelrod, etc.) that takes a back seat to noone in distributing their propaganda and thug tactics. I find it difficult to take issue about the comment that the GOP have been acting like children - they have not really been focusing on changing their image up to now - disappointing in that they lack street fighting skills..


Meanwhile, joanie, Gramps was on Faux News whining that there should have been a provision to include prescription med. buy backs. Of course, he could have offered an ammendment to include it...but he didn't! I wonder why?????


The guy (Lloyd) is a self-professed Marxist

source, please

dubious past

specifics, please

dissappointing in that they lack street fighting skills..

all about street fighting? My, that's certainly an adult point of view.

You're still an idiot, klueless.


He has been reading NewsBusters again.


"source, please

dubious past

specifics, please"

Ph(J)oanie - you ignorant slut - and lazy too..
Google Mark Lloyd yourself if you really want to know or are you just venting after downing a fifth ?

You and Sparkles don't read anything as credible as Newsbusters as evidenced by the pinko crap you show in your posts. To engage in any further debate with you is a waste of time to myself and other readers.


According to King Shit, all black folks are Marxists.


For anyone who wants check out more about Mark Lloyd, see the following link:



Willamette - congrats you are another certified idiot..


Try this search engine also;



I don't read anything that isn't posted by someone smart enough to hot link. Sorry.


because you are afraid you will be shown wrong. you aren't smart enough to know the truth about Mark Lloyd,


KS, you white bastard!


"....From the fall of 2002 until the summer of 2004, Mr. Lloyd was a Martin Luther King, Jr. visiting scholar at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he taught communications policy and wrote and conducted research on the relationship between communications policy and strong democratic communities. He also served as the executive director of the Civil Rights Forum on Communications Policy, a non-profit, non-partisan project he co-founded in 1997 to bring civil rights principles and advocacy to the communications policy debate.

Previously, Mr. Lloyd worked as general counsel to the Benton Foundation, and as a communications attorney at Dow, Lohnes & Albertson in Washington, D.C. representing both commercial and non-commercial companies. He also has nearly 20 years of experience as a print and broadcast journalist, including work as a reporter and producer at NBC and CNN, and is the recipient of several awards including an Emmy and a Cine Golden Eagle. He has served on the boards of directors of dozens of national and local organizations, including the Independent Television Service, OMB Watch, the Center for Democracy and Technology, and the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights Education Fund. He has also served as a consultant to the Clinton White House, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the Open Society Institute and the Smithsonian Institution. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Michigan and his law degree from the Georgetown University Law Center. "
(via Media Research Hub)

How could Obama pick such a person!!!!!! Diversity!! Aughhhh!!!!


"But Lloyd is more than a caricature the right wants to make him out to be. His actual title is associate general counsel/chief diversity officer at the Federal Communications Commission and he formerly served as vice president for strategic initiatives at the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, another group not too popular with the right-wing of the GOP.

A graduate of the University of Michigan and Georgetown University Law Center, Lloyd is not only a communications lawyer, but also a former broadcast journalist who worked as a reporter and producer at NBC and CNN. And for two years he served as a visiting scholar at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

That puts him well in the mainstream of American institutions, but to hear Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin and other conservative critics, you'd think he was the second coming of Jeremiah Wright.

Or at least that's what they hope to make him."

That means white wingers hate him. Like KS


Besides being a liar, you are a racist - Willamette.

This text Mark Lloyd's credentials.


Willamette - Besides being a liar, you are a racist.

Cite your sources, asshat.

Gee, Sparkles, you say nothing about his activism. Nice coverup.


Linky fail....

Why do cons always scream racist, when their own predilections have been pointed out?


The marxist labels these guys spew out are aimed at black people, van jones, Jeremiah wright, now this fine member of the community whose name is impugned by these white hooded thugs.


Im not covering up anything...but when it comes to trusting information directly from the FCC, and the National Council for Media Reform, or Michele Malkin/Glenn Beck/NewsBusters...well, you lose!
Malkin and Beckerhead thank Obama every day for their ability to make a living from appealing to the baser side of America.


'Linky fail....

Why do cons always scream racist, when their own predilections have been pointed out?"

Sparkles - Because progressive lemming con-artists like you and Ph(J)oanie try constantly to swiftboat anyone conservative and when you call them racist or label them in a negative way, you are really projecting who you are.

Willamette you really believe that shit or are you just mentally retarded ?


Well, Sir Klueless, I did go to one site and it didn't work. then I tried the other and saw a conglomeration of right-wing talkers and decided Milchele Malkin et al are hardly reasoned and objective sources.

God, get a brain, will you?

Now, you go my left-wing site (according to you) and watch a couple of journalists who actually research their facts:

Kuttner and Taibbi

You know, Sparky, Kuttner says it pretty plainly. He's got experiences and common sense. I've not heard our dilemma so well put. We're going to be paying a price for the politics of the DNC, Rahm, Clinton and all the other dino's inhabiting Democratic seats in Congress. And Kuttner says Obama will either be the establishment's leader and have a failed Presidency or get some experience under his belt and take them on.

God, I hope he takes them on.


And Willamette, both of you (Sparky) go to the same site and watch the second piece on Vida Urban. I loved what I saw. I hope this is being repeated throughout the nation. It may be the beginning of the movement discussed by Kuttner.

We are going to have to take to the streets I believe it.


Me too. But you notice I was laughed at by the resident cons when I said that Obama is not even close to being left, but is even more of a centrist than Clinton.

We watched Kuttner and Taibbi Friday night..it was really good.

The Senate just voted to send the bill back to the House.

woody held

KS, my man, you're wasting your time. These lefty plantation lords & ladies are not going to relinquish their places.

Puget Sound Even the Seattle Times 'Gets it'

"I've not heard our dilemma so well put. We're going to be paying a price for the politics of the DNC, Rahm, Clinton and all the other dino's inhabiting Democratic seats in Congress."

Hmm, some of us have been calling it for awhile. The Dems are no different and they love special interests. Kept that nice anti trust provision and screwed Doctors over in favor of the Insurance Companies. (and don't forget Big Pharma)
House Speaker Pelosi will sign a bill in conference that will essentially make all those 'evil' insurance companies she rails about a whole lot richer.
The Louisiana Purchase, the Corn-husker Con Game, the Hawaiian Exception, and the Vermont Sugar Pill (for Bernie Sanders) will become a mantra in the next election.
A bill so bad you had to exempt certain states from the impact of it. Next time we hear any crap about unfunded mandates coming down from the Federal Gov't we can point to the mother of all unfunded mandates. What that will mean is that States like say Washington State will have less money for Education for example.

Puget Sound

So this is the time in which we will find out exactly what the Progressive Movement is made of.
Will they stick to their avowed principles of good government that they tell us OR will we find them going along with this Senate Health Care Bill that essentially is written by and for the Big Insurance Companies, Big Pharma, and a few senate insiders.
C'mon Progressives, over the last few years it wasn't a bunch of empty brays coming out of your pieholes was it?
The Senate has already told the House to accept this bill largely as is so words about changing the language in the Conference Committee will be fairly meaningless.

Hey, no one likes unfunded mandates. The impact upon State (and local Gov't -no thank you Gov Gregoire) have been horrific at times. We don't like 'em when Reagan did it, when Bush did it, when Clinton did it, and again when the other Bush did it.
But they will pale in comparison to the unfunded mandates coming with this version.
That will put the States (such as WA) in a difficult position. Raise taxes on a weak economy or cut somewhere else. Often times, that means areas like in Education.

So Progressives on this Blog it comes down to you to put up or be an empty suit.


Glad to know you are in agreement with Howard Dean, Puts. This morning on MSNBC he urged Congress to pass the bill:

-said the changes he wanted from his MTP interview have been made..named at least 3 of them
-said that rockefeller amendment is huge
-states still have the right to make the bill better, too
-says that he's disappointed in no PO but best that can be expected
-cost panels with teeth in them now (3 of them)to regulate costs by insurance co
-hospitals can be self exmpted (sounded positive but missed part)
-great thing in bill with how they treat small business.


remember what a racist, meanspirited primitive, former not missed KIRO TALKHOST Lou Pate was? tODAY COMNES A STORY OUT OF BROOKLYN, describing how two white off-duty EMT's refused to help a dying black sales clerk at a bagel shop, instead walking out of the shop with their food while telling them to "call 911". this is typical of the racist, clannish City of New York that Pate is so proud to be from (although he hasn't lived there for years). One wonders if THE heartless Pate would have done the same thing if he had been an EMT in a black -staffed Brooklyn bagel shop. We certainly know the ethnic-identity obsessed Pate would have hopped to it to help out an Italian girl clerk at Guido's Bagels in his old mafia neighborhood in the Bronx. Fuck you, Pate and fuck your city.


The way I see it is passing this bill - no matter how bad - sets a precedent that says people don't like the status quo. That precedent should make it easier to make further change in the future. If the bill fails politicians will think or say "we tried to make a change before and risked our political careers so we're not going to go there again." That's what happened after the Clintons tried to reform health care in the 90's, nobody wanted to touch it for another 15 years. Any amount of change paves the way for future change to come sooner rather than later.


Unfunded mandates? Like the Iraq War? Were you walking the streets for that one?

More important, however, Mr. Bush was a buy-now-pay-later president. He pushed through big tax cuts, but never tried to pass spending cuts to make up for the revenue loss. He rushed the nation into war, but never asked Congress to pay for it. He added an expensive drug benefit to Medicare, but left it completely unfunded. Yes, he had legislative victories; but he didn’t show that Congress can make hard choices and act responsibly, because he never asked it to.

Like those? Boy, we sure heard you raising the roof over those little gems, didn't we?

More juvenile neener neener from the resident one-size-fits-all (and-healthcare-really-is-a-horse) sputs.

Sparky, on what show did Dean talk? Kuttner had written an article explaining further his thoughts about the bill. they should get rid of the taxation of workers' collectively bargained health insurance benefits.

That's one I don't like at all. (Of course, if you live in sput's fantasy world, it isn't there at all.)

Oh well. I'll teach him again: Paying for Healthcare:

A 40 percent excise tax on so-called Cadillac health plans — employer-sponsored group health plans with premiums over $8,500 for individual coverage and $23,000 for family. The bill would provide a special dispensation to police officers, firefighters, miners and construction workers, who have high premiums because they work in high-risk occupations. Expected to raise $149 billion from 2013 to 2019.

Annual fees, allocated by market share, on health care companies. Starting in 2011, drug makers would pay $2.3 billion a year. Manufacturers of medical devices would pay $2 billion in 2011 and $3 billion after 2017. For insurance companies, the fee would start at $2 billion in 2011 and gradually increase to $10 billion a year in 2017. Nonprofit insurance companies could be exempt if they spent a large share of their premiums on medical care rather than administrative costs. Expected to raise more than $100 billion from 2011 to 2019.

Squeeze $483 billion out of the projected growth in Medicare and other federal programs over 10 years, including $118 billion in cuts to federal subsidies for privately offered Medicare Advantage plans.

Increase in the Medicare payroll tax rate — from 1.45 percent to 2.35 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 a year and families earning more than $250,000. Expected to raise about $87 billion from 2010 to 2019.

A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services (replaces the 5 percent tax on elective cosmetic medical procedures that was originally proposed).

Kuttner doesn't like that first one and neither do I. I like the House's funding proposals better. But then, the House is closer to the people.

I think sputs listens to the Republican governors and the Republican liars just a little too much.

whittled down by joannie

Must be getting painful to be handed your head on a platter, PS. But keep trying, some day you'll get it right.

On second thought, give up while you're behind. Save us all the noise.


Any word whether TBTL will be extended? I had read that contractual obligations with Bonneville ended this month, but the TBTL website claims there's going to be a broadcast from New Yok in late January.


Just read your post, Andrew. I think I agree with you. A hard pill to swallow but probably correct.

I just remembered another part of the bill I don't like. It exempts Federal workers. Hmm. I wonder why?

Also, way back when the right threatened to blow up the filibuster, I kept urging the Dems to let them do it. I wish they had. Nobody is as ruthlessly mean-spirited or undemocratic when it comes to legislating as the rethugs. The Dems really need not to get ruthless or corrupt but to change the rules and start legislating for the people again.

From Krugman again:

Remember, the Constitution sets up the Senate as a body with majority — not supermajority — rule. So the rule of 60 can be changed. A Congressional Research Service report from 2005, when a Republican majority was threatening to abolish the filibuster so it could push through Bush judicial nominees, suggests several ways this could happen — for example, through a majority vote changing Senate rules on the first day of a new session.

Nobody should meddle lightly with long-established parliamentary procedure. But our current situation is unprecedented: America is caught between severe problems that must be addressed and a minority party determined to block action on every front. Doing nothing is not an option — not unless you want the nation to sit motionless, with an effectively paralyzed government, waiting for financial, environmental and fiscal crises to strike.

Wise words always seem to come from the left.


Back at ya', swiftboating

Re: Cantor: A Look Ahead [Mark Steyn]

I like the way this guy* puts it: "Cash for cloture."

This line from Representative Cantor caught my eye:

They’re allocating taxpayer dollars as if those dollars belonged to the senators. It borders on immoral. Just look at the way Senator Landrieu put her vote up for sale. Senator Nelson did the same.

You can't even dignify this squalid racket as bribery: If I try to buy a cop, I have to use my own money. But, when Harry Reid buys a senator, he uses my money, too. It doesn't "border on immoral": It drives straight through the frontier post and heads for the dark heartland of immoral.

Makes Krugman appear like the morally bankrupt little weasel that he is...


well, if you're going to swallow everything every obstructionist congressman on the right says, that eliminates all discussion.

What does krugman have to gain from all this? on the other hand, what does Cantor have to gain?

Follow the money.

Puget Sound

Follow the money.

Posted by: joanie | December 21, 2009 at 03:58 PM

yep, follow the money for cloture like to Nelson, Landreau, Sanders, Dodd, to name a few.
The only way the bill gets cloture is via bribes for votes.

I will agree with Joanie on this. Blow up this whole 60 vote artificial construct. I want it gone. It was sickening watching everyone game it to be the '60th vote' and it was ridiculous.


money for cloture to sweeten the pot for your constituents and we'll change the language for your vote. they want it both ways, PutS.

All the Senators who vote for this should ask for their payback, like no state bill for Medicaid - Come on Murray and Cantwell, why should Nelson and Landrieu get more for their vote than you get for yours ?

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