We've been traveling, so here's a best-of from last summer. As all of our work, it's still prescient and insightful, and extremely well-written.
Our patented Lens of Blather is an instrument which allows us to see into the fearful future as predicted by talk radio radio hosts.
It's always a fearsome, gruesome, loathsome place at the bottom of a dozen slippery slopes; moral declines into festering bogs of unintended catastrophes- all forsoothed and told-you-so'd by some of the greatest minds and towering moral exemplars of our time: Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Laura Ingraham, Neal Boortz, and Sean Hannity.
We don't venture there often. but we opened the Lens last week to glance into the terrifying future-world of post-Obama health care.
Sad to say, everything talk radio and Fox News said would happen has. America didn't listen to Rush way back in '09, “The crisis in health care is like the crisis in everything else, manufactured… There is no crisis."
With Obama-care, turns out, we got our crisis.
Once it was "take two aspirin and call me in the morning," now it's "Suck on this, and call me next year."
Just
as Limbaugh predicted, administration of the massive new program was
turned directly over to Amtrak and the Post Office.
(photo: "fearsome, gruesome, loathsome")
In line at the PO/med center/train station, you're as likely to find yourself behind someone with a head wound as someone mailing a Mother's Day card. Trains come and go, some are empty, some loaded with the halt and the lame off to the Medical Camps. A urine sample goes in the mail slot with the bread and butter note to your Aunt Tudie, and presumably has the same chance of getting shunted to the Cleveland dead letter office. Pregnant women go to the head of the line only if they're in labor- "Special Delivery" has a new meaning in Obamunism.
As Laura Ingraham and Glenn Beck so presciently tried to warn us, Obama's main objective and the very core of his health plan is to ensure that Americans die young.
"Aging is inefficient," says a civil service health czar. "Old people are a drag on the system." These czars, all young, black males from the mean streets of Harvard, work 9 to 4:30 (with an hour for lunch; holidays, weekends, and Lenin's Birthday off) telling little old ladies and their husbands whether they can live or head for the "hospice chutes." (Getting old is discouraged, legislation banning it is pending in the Congress).
Just as
Sean Hannity predicted, the warm, loving arms of the insurance
companies will be torn from patient care by "… a government rationing
body that tells women with breast cancer: 'you’re dead.'”
He was right: government thugs have stepped between citizens and their doctors. Powerful bureaucrats make the decisions: who gets the kidney dialysis, the lap-band surgery; the full-term pregnancy, the hair-plugs, the bypasses, the Caesarians and lobotomies.
Boortz's words, “Obama’s health care plan is going to end up killing people..." fell on empty ears, and he was right: you're a goner unless you're young, black, gay, a wise Latina, or you give money to the DNC, the ACLU, SEIU or the NAACP.
Target demographics and friendly elites get places at the front of the long lines. Everyone else dies or goes to Craig's List for back-alley tonsillectomies, home chemo-therapy kits, and Mexican black market stool softeners. Drug dealers haunt senior centers with "street" ibuprofen, Flo-Max and Lipitor.
A doctor is paid $7 for a craniotomy or $3.99 for a nose job, and while that might seem great for
patients, med school has lost its attraction to bright students, and clogged with free university drop-outs, graphic
artists, community activists, and over-the-hill hip-hop
performers.
(Photo: the doctor is "in.")
Real doctors have few choices: become a personal physician to a billionaire Democrat, or get a night job at Subway.
(Talk radio topics for the future: Do you tip for your doctor like your hairdresser? 20% of a $7 brain surgery ain't much... do you tip the anesthesiologist? Do you really need one?)
As Hannity predicted, taxidermists, massage therapists and denturists fill in gaps in medical fields in need of practitioners. A doctorate in anything- even English- can mean a lucrative practice, and a respect previously undreamed of by English majors.
- Novelists often supplement their meager incomes doing hemorrhoid transplants; or prostate exams.
- Editors sideline as dentists, putting to use the innate myopia and cruelty that drew them to their chosen line of work.
- Sociologists, and historians with advanced degrees have been successful in the "lite" medical practices like opthamology, and podiatry.
- Anthropologists travel to Manila to learn "psychic surgery," the art of extracting chicken guts from the human body cavity without a scalpel.
Anxious patients flock to veterinarians, now allowed to practice their
gentle art on two-legged species. Spaying and neutering are real
alternatives in a world where the costs of health care makes
child-raising unaffordable. (Abortions are free, as Bill
Cunningham (KVI Sundays 7-10p) tried to tell us, and performed on every street corner.
Anyone can get one- even men, little children and pets! Unborn fetuses
outnumber regular people in many small towns, are all registered
Democrats and allowed (or forced) to vote).
If he hadn't died from a botched ear-wax removal by an Atlanta dog groomer, talk host Neal Boortz could be self-righteous for his prediction that knee surgery would be declared "elective," and that the lucrative knee replacement industry and meniscus-trimming cartels would be shut down. Vast communities of the kneeless have sprung up (if that's the word) in California and in the Southwestern suburbs. In hellish, chaotic conclaves fortunately blocked off so children can't see in, elderly inhabitants drag their bad legs around like zombies and participate sadly in fruitless rituals like butt-kicking contests and lap dancing.
Other procedures ruled elective or cosmetic by the bureaucrats: episiotomies, anal bleaching, by-passes, and Caesarians.
It's every man's dream to be a gynecologist, and in this brave, new health world, any man can! Urban neighborhoods are plagued with door-to-door docs like the notorious Five-Minute Gyno, a former pedicurist who offers cut-rate pap smears and breast exams. "At your cervix!" he cries, but reportedly takes up to 20 minutes to do the procedures.
Self-surgery is very popular- especially with the libertarian kidz... and why not??? It's SO non-statist! Besides, no lines and the price is right! Not only body-piercings, and foot callus removal, but also fat globulectamis, orchiectomies and the occasional self-trepanation.
If America could only see what we see through our Lens into the future, maybe they'd forsake their own self-interest and listen to the talk radio geniuses who see the Obama regime for what it is: an autocracy of mercy who wants everybody to die.
Help protect our blessed right of uninsuredness, say no to heath care reform!
As was said before, cons are never happy unless people are suffering and dying, chiefly the poor and minorities, and the lower-income working class.
Posted by: Drew | November 29, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Sorry, Drew. I don't think they're that picky! I think they're fine with it all as long as it remains a virus of the masses . . . Middle class today is the lower class of tomorrow. You know what inflation could do to chux's $200,000? You think they care?
Posted by: joanie | November 30, 2009 at 12:12 AM
I think that one of the scariest visions of universal health care for the cons is in the name. The fact that vets get sub-standard care today doesn't keep them up at night, even though they helped facilitate it. Same goes for the recipients of Medicare, SSI, private insurance, and the plight of the uninsured. If the entire population received the same care, the politicians on both sides of the isle would have to insure that the system was functioning properly. It's why, in spite of the lies and rumours found on ClusterFux News, neither the National Health Service in the UK or the single-payer provincial plans in Canada are not going away, because the people won't allow it. Anuerin Bevin (British MP) and Tommy Douglas (Canadian MP) are among their countries most respected representatives because of their efforts to implement universal health care for the people.
Posted by: Drew | November 30, 2009 at 12:39 AM
Joanie, I do get a kick out of the cons non-stop inference that single-payer or universal health care would involve rationing (insert dramatic scary music here)...the private insurers, with the protection and assistance of the republicans and a few democrats, have been rationing treatment for decades now.
Posted by: Drew | November 30, 2009 at 01:05 AM
Here's a smattering of what is wrong with this dressed up pig with lipstick bill (the devil is in the details - written by lobbyists);
http://grantswank.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/28/detail_obamangst_care_damns_america.thtml
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!
Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.
Page 58 HC Bill: Government will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued!
Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer.
Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Government will ration your health care!
Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)
Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Government will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)
Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)
Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.
Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Government will tell YOU what salary you can make.
Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)
Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)
Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)
Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.
Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)
Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records.
Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!)
Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)
Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)
Page 253 Line 10-18: The Government sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)
Page 265 Sec 1131: The Government mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.
Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Government regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151: The Government will penalize hospitals for whatever the Government deems preventable (i.e. readmissions).
Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Government will penalize you.
Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Government tells doctors what and how much they can own!)
Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Government is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)
Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Government mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)
Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Government plan)
Page 354 Sec 1177: The Government will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!
Page 379 Sec 1191: The Government creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)
Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Government mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)
Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)
Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Government provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death.. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')
Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Government mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Government has a say in how your life ends!)
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.
Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)
Page 429 Lines 13-25: The Government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)
Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!)
Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)
Page 489 Sec 1308: The Government will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Government will insert itself into your marriage even.).
Page 494-498: Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.
Posted by: KS | November 30, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Well KS
You received one of those viral e-mails too.
Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!
A quick Google ignoring the usual suspect websites:
Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. - A Matter of Interpretation!
The text of the bill reads, "The Commissioner, in coordination with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Labor Secretary of Labor, shall conduct a study of the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets. There is no mention of audits.
I suspect the entire e-mail is fiction.
Took me 30 seconds, are you to busy to do the same thing?
Posted by: ExPatBrit | November 30, 2009 at 01:35 PM
If you're struggling to say something ks, it might be easier if you took that large fish hook out of your mouth first.
ExPatBrit- thanks for bringing out the truth. Those of us who have actually experienced universal health care know how well it works, and why the countries that have it (everyone else) are not about to give it up.
Posted by: Drew | November 30, 2009 at 01:44 PM
Before you go spouting off any more ExPatBrit, go read the freakin' bill. You too Drew. I have and its in there.
Posted by: KS | November 30, 2009 at 02:49 PM
ExPatBrit - before you spout off more, I suggest you check the current bill before the Senate and you'll find these references. The case that you supplied implies audits by mandate.
Smells like cherry picking - you just don't want to admit what a pig this bill is. If it took you 30 seconds to read one page that you likely misinterpreted, screwball logic -I'd say your assessment is pure fiction.
Let the Lib Prog lemmings continue to follow the pied piper until they get smacked with reality.
Posted by: KS | November 30, 2009 at 04:52 PM
KS.
I didn't cherry pick anything you fuckwit. It was the first one on the list.
The Commissioner, in coordination with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Labor Secretary of Labor, shall conduct a study of the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets.
Now that (in bold)could be said to be an audit I guess. But its referring to health care market not the employer.
When providing disinformation
you should never start lying until the 3 or 4th paragraph that way it looks legit.
Don't you know anything?
Posted by: ExPatBrit | November 30, 2009 at 08:05 PM
ExPat, you can spend all night here displaying actual facts...it does not sink in up there in their alternative universe.
Posted by: sparky | November 30, 2009 at 08:52 PM
ExPatBrit - Read the rest of freakin bill, asshat instead of shooting off your piehole. REal objective...you sound like you don't know what you are talking about in the first place nor have you shown anything of substance that refutes the fact that the bill in the Senate is an unadulterated piece of shit.
Just another liberal progressive. You may fool Sparkles into believing you have facts, but you can't sucker those who don't drink the Obamao Kool Aid.
Posted by: KS | November 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM
From an editorial by Peggy Noonan.
This should lay to rest the alibi about the urgency of passing health care reform "pig" in its present form. A thoughtful piece that Democrats/liberals ought to heed. The progressives (i.e the far left) ought to consider this, even though it will be difficult for them to swallow.
"Mr Obama is in a hard place. Health care hangs over him, and if he is lucky he will lose a close vote in the Senate. The common wisdom that he can't afford to lose is exactly wrong--he can't afford to win with such a poor piece of legislation. He needs to get the issue behind him, vow to fight another day, and move on.
Afghanistan hangs over him, threatening the unity of his own Democratic congressional base. There is the growing perception of incompetence, of the inability to run the machine of government. This, with Americans, is worse than Obama's rebranding as a leader who governs from the left. Americans demands baseline competence.
If he comes to be seen as Jimmy Carter was, that the job was bigger than the man, that will be the end."
Posted by: KS | November 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Geez, klueless. Someone points out very reasonably and accurately the fault in your post, and you set about on a personal attack. Why not prove him wrong if you're so smart?
Try a little intellect.
Posted by: joanie | November 30, 2009 at 10:29 PM
Umm, at the risk of irritating a whole lotta smart people, here's what I found out about your little "truth" post:
"Another eRumor includes a long list of concerns from the organization Family Security Matters. (eRumor Example #2)
Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. - A Matter of Interpretation!
The text of the bill reads, "The Commissioner, in coordination with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Labor Secretary of Labor, shall conduct a study of the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets. There is no mention of audits.
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill — a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive. - Fiction!
The text of the bill reads" IN GENERAL.—There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans." There is no mention of treatment procedures or policies.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill — YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED! (they call it allocated) -Disputed!
Rationing could be defined as the controlled distribution of resources and goods or services.
This section of the bill deal with cost sharing and co-payments and annual limitations, The text of the bill says, "The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package with respect to an individual (or family) for a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph." It is then defined as $5,000 per individual and $10,000 per family each year.
The setting of co-payments and coverage limitations is a standard procedure for all medical health plans.
Pg 42 of HC Bill — The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. - Truth!
According to the text of the bill, the commissioner's duties include the establishment and enforcement of "qualified health benefits plan standards". The list of his duties also includes the "establishment and operation of a Health Insurance Exchange" and accountability.
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill — HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. - Disputed!
There is no provision to check for citizenship prior to receiving health services even though there are the provisions:.
Section 152 is a discrimination clause that basically said that all health services "covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." Citizenship is not mentioned.
Section 246 on page 143 under the heading of "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS" said, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Pg 58 HC Bill — Government will have real-time access to individual's finances and a National ID Health Card will be issued!- Truth! and Fiction!
Under the heading of "STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS", this section is for a "real-time (or near realtime) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card" Co-payments which need to be collected are part of the plan and it also appears that the new health plan is designed to work with insurance supplement programs. There is no mention in the bill that personal finance records would be collected.
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for election funds transfer. -A Matter of Interpretation!
This falls under the heading of "STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS" the bill says,"enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." The text of the bill is not clear if the electronic funds transfers means between the patient and the health care provider.
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).-Fiction!
Another eRumor includes a long list of concerns from the organization Family Security Matters. (eRumor Example #2)
Pg 22 of the HC Bill mandates the Government will audit books of all employers that self insure. - A Matter of Interpretation!
The text of the bill reads, "The Commissioner, in coordination with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of Labor Secretary of Labor, shall conduct a study of the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets. There is no mention of audits.
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill — a Government committee (good luck with that!) will decide what treatments/benefits a person may receive. - Fiction!
The text of the bill reads" IN GENERAL.—There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans." There is no mention of treatment procedures or policies.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill — YOUR HEALTHCARE WILL BE RATIONED! (they call it allocated) -Disputed!
Rationing could be defined as the controlled distribution of resources and goods or services.
This section of the bill deal with cost sharing and co-payments and annual limitations, The text of the bill says, "The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package with respect to an individual (or family) for a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph." It is then defined as $5,000 per individual and $10,000 per family each year.
The setting of co-payments and coverage limitations is a standard procedure for all medical health plans.
Pg 42 of HC Bill — The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. - Truth!
According to the text of the bill, the commissioner's duties include the establishment and enforcement of "qualified health benefits plan standards". The list of his duties also includes the "establishment and operation of a Health Insurance Exchange" and accountability.
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill — HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. - Disputed!
There is no provision to check for citizenship prior to receiving health services even though there are the provisions:.
Section 152 is a discrimination clause that basically said that all health services "covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." Citizenship is not mentioned.
Section 246 on page 143 under the heading of "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS" said, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
Pg 58 HC Bill — Government will have real-time access to individual's finances and a National ID Health Card will be issued!- Truth! and Fiction!
Under the heading of "STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS", this section is for a "real-time (or near realtime) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card" Co-payments which need to be collected are part of the plan and it also appears that the new health plan is designed to work with insurance supplement programs. There is no mention in the bill that personal finance records would be collected.
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accts for election funds transfer. -A Matter of Interpretation!
This falls under the heading of "STANDARDS FOR FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSACTIONS" the bill says,"enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." The text of the bill is not clear if the electronic funds transfers means between the patient and the health care provider.
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations (read: ACORN).-Fiction!
And there's a whole lot more-much of which says "under investigation."
Why is it so easy for liberals to find the truth? Conservatives really need to practice that skill.
:)
Posted by: joanie | November 30, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Sorry, klueless, but I just had to drop one more on you:
Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200
A notorious analysis of the House health care bill contains 48 claims. Twenty-six of them are false and the rest mostly misleading. Only four are true.
August 28, 2009
Summary
Our inbox has been overrun with messages asking us to weigh in on a mammoth list of claims about the House health care bill. The chain e-mail purports to give "a few highlights" from the first half of the bill, but the list of 48 assertions is filled with falsehoods, exaggerations and misinterpretations. We examined each of the e-mail’s claims, finding 26 of them to be false and 18 to be misleading, only partly true or half true. Only four are accurate. A few of our "highlights":
If you care about THE TRUTH, feel free to click on my hot-linked site intended just for you because you want to be informed. I just know you do. :)
Posted by: joanie | November 30, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Thanks Joanie!
KS
There's is plenty wrong with this bill, posting outright fibs doesn't help the discussion.
Posted by: ExPatBrit | December 01, 2009 at 08:41 AM
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/
Ph(J)oanie - Fact check has been found to be sprinkled with inaccuracies Fact check.org is not the end all for the truth.
More specifically, I was not referring to HR 3200, which is the version before the House Bill was revised and voted on in early November. The current Senate Bill is different and there are sources that compare the different bills. The email that I quoted from was outdated as was the website that you quoted that took issue with the email from the doctor in Indiana.
That doesn't change my view of Health Care reform one bit. If Expatbrit thought universal health care was so grand, why did he come here and why doesn't he go back to where it exists ?
Posted by: KS | December 01, 2009 at 08:51 AM
If our "system" of for-profit sick-care was so fantastic, why isn't it being adopted by any of the other industrialized nations? The only thing they come over here to study on our system is the abysmal statistics of "pay more, get less, die broke". Nobody in the UK wants that. Nobody. Same goes for Japan. France. Sweden. Germany. Canada. Most countries and territories in South America.
Why would a con care about this anyway, since, with the public option, they can continue to pay ridiculously high premiums, get denied on lifesaving treatments, and pay way above the market on meds if they want to.
Posted by: Drew | December 01, 2009 at 09:22 AM
KS: If Expatbrit thought universal health care was so grand , why did he come here and why doesn't he go back to where it exists ?
Where did I say that? I just pointed out the inaccuracy of your post (which was a cut and paste from a widely circulated viral e-mail).
I came here almost 30 years ago. Health-care was good and affordable. I would say about 20 years ago it all started to go "pear shaped". Don't want the NHS but I am very concerned about my families future survival using the "best healthcare in the world".
And KS since you obviously are xenophobic. Let me at least apologize for being here and having a opinion.
Posted by: ExPatBrit | December 01, 2009 at 02:07 PM
"And KS since you obviously are xenophobic."
Go back and reread the first two paragraphs in my last post - it sorted out the inaccuracies of both the bill referenced and the circulated email from the Indiana doctor.
As for my comment, no problem with you being from the UK. Your ass-umption was wrong and it smacks of being a race baiter.
By the tone of your posts, you were foisting the Universal HC system used by the UK which is inferior to our current HC system, and less expensive - that is what I objected to.
The current HC system needs some reform - including competition across state lines and tort reform for malpractice. This current process is about political expedience and screw the constituents.
Posted by: KS | December 01, 2009 at 04:39 PM
By the tone of your posts, you were foisting the Universal HC system used by the UK which is inferior to our current HC system, and less expensive - that is what I objected to.
OK so point that out! Feel free to quote exactly where I said that.
Knock yourself out!
Posted by: ExPatBrit | December 01, 2009 at 06:22 PM
Amazing that people who have never experienced national health care are positive it's a bad thing. My Canadian and British friends and relatives wouldn't have it any other way.
Posted by: sparky | December 01, 2009 at 07:31 PM
Truly amazing that for a few decades now, the cons have been having their pockets picked on a regular basis, to where now they are convinced it's a good thing.
Posted by: Drew | December 01, 2009 at 07:40 PM
God, you're an idiot Klueless. First of all, much of the verbage is identical. Second of all, I sited two DIFFERENT sources.
Third, if the bill has been revised, why are you quoting an obsolete bill?
Now, put your damn glasses on. Thanks.
Posted by: joanie | December 01, 2009 at 10:51 PM