take your answer off the air...

  • HorsesAss.Org: the straight poop on WA politics & the press
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  • Talker's Magazine
    The quirky talk radio trade mag. Check the Talk Radio Research Project- it's not very scientific, but places on the top 15 talkers list (scroll down to Talk Radio Audiences By Size)) are as hotly contested as Emmys (and mean just about as much).
  • The Advocate
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  • Media Matters
    Documentation of right-wing media in video, audio and text.
  • Orcinus
    home of David Neiwert, freelance investigative journalist and author who writes extensively about far-right hate groups
  • Hominid Views
    "People, politics, science, and whatnot" Darryl is a statistician who fights imperialism with empiricism, gives good links and wry commentary.
  • Jesus' General
    An 11 on the Manly Scale of Absolute Gender, a 12 on the Heavenly Scale of the 10 Commandments and a 6 on the earthly scale of the Immaculately Groomed.
  • Howie in Seattle
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  • Streaming Radio Guide
    Hellishly long (5795!) list of radio streaming, steaming on the Internets.
  • The Naked Loon
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  • Irrational Public Radio
    "informs, challenges, soothes and/or berates, and does so with a pleasing vocal cadence and unmatched enunciation. When you listen to IPR, integrity washes over you like lava, with the pleasing familiarity of a medium-roast coffee and a sensible muffin."
  • The Maddow Blog
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  • Northwest Broadcasters
    The AM, FM, TV and digital broadcasters of Northwest Washington, USA and Southwest British Columbia, Canada. From Kelso, WA to the northern tip of Vancouver Island, BC - call letters, formats, slogans, networks, technical data, and transmitter maps. Plus "recent" news.
  • News Corpse
    The Internet's chronicle of media decay.
  • The Moderate Voice
    The voice of reason in the age of Obama, and the politics of the far-middle.
  • News Hounds
    Dogged dogging of Fox News by a team who seems to watch every minute of the cable channel so you don't have to.
  • HistoryLink
    Fun to read and free encyclopedia of Washington State history. Founded by the late Walt Crowley, it's an indispensable tool and entertainment source for history wonks and surfers alike.

right-wing blogs we like

  • The Reagan Wing
    Hearin lies the real heart of Washington State Republicans. Doug Parris runs this red-meat social conservative group site which bars no holds when it comes to saying who they are and who they're not; what they believe and what they don't; who their friends are and where the rest of the Republicans can go. Well-written, and flaming.
  • Orbusmax
    inexhaustible Drudgery of NW conservative news
  • The Radio Equalizer
    prolific former Seattle KVI, KIRO talk host speaks authoritatively about radio.
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October 08, 2009



Why does everything have to be paid? If there is a niche for classical music, then those who love it should continue to provide it unpaid. All media is going through change. There must be many, many people who would spend an hour hosting a radio program for no money at all. The listeners would be those who enjoy the music.

I don't totally understand signals and radio stations but isn't their room on the band for more local and niche programming? I heard once of a guy who programmed out of his garage. They kept trying to shut him down. Did his weak little signal interfere with others?

Can't they solve the technology of all this? Do we have to have so many duplicate stations?

Look at the internet. We can all go wherever we want to for free - unless we choose to pay. So, radio is changing. Adjust. Get innovative.

To me, it is like the wealthy record labels trying to protect their profits by making all kinds of laws against duplicating music. Technology is democratizing and reducing profit in a lot of areas. Nobody said a small group of people in any industry deserved to stay rich.

Let the people who love it keep it going. Sort of like your blog, Michael.


If schools won't raise a new generation of educated music lovers, and current stations can't figure out how to reach what's left, then it's time for them to close. Not enough people care. The ones that lose will move to the internet, Sirius/XM, load their mp3 players or start their own CD or record collection. Nothing says terrestrial classics stations have to exist any more than the news stations that this blog loves to bash.

If you think music lovers should provide the service unpaid, why not walk a mile in their shoes? It'll take you exactly 2 minutes to find out how expensive it is to run a broadcast facility in the Seattle market... or most anywhere else, for that matter.


I was just asking, ksr. I agree with every word you said.

But, if a guy can run a signal out of his garage, there must be ways to do it on the cheap.


The Internet is the answer to both of you. Plenty of band room, no regulations, cheap...


Seattle elites thought they could buy a radio station for the music that nobody but them listen to any more. It couldn't break even, even with all the non-proft tax-breaks. so sorry charlie. let somebody else have the spot-- nice location, right in the middle of the dial. Wonder when they will turn Benaroya Hall into a convention center or a skating rink?


How do I hear it in the car . . . in my classroom where I'm not allowed to stream radio . . . on a hike if I don't want to lug my walkman or whatever you all use these days? (aging myself, huh?)

I don't want to carry tapes, cds and whatever else is out there. You think we sit around at our computers all day long?

Enlighten me, sanka. If you've got the answer, I'll go get it.


But parker, they can keep it. Didn't the Bullet's leave them a boatload of money to run it? I thought they did.


KING fm had one of the highest ratings in the country for classical stations. It hasn't been the same since the days of Tom Dahlstrom and George Shangrow.

"Former KING-FM colleague George Shangrow, who left the station in December 2004 after his contract for the "Live, By George" show was not renewed, said Dahlstrom was fired last Thursday because he "had the temerity to make some minor changes in music programming without the approval of Bob Goldfarb [the station's program director]." Among the changes: Dahlstrom played a 10-minute piece of music from the French Revolution in honor of Bastille Day on July 14.

"The Bullitt sisters gave this station to the city, in trusteeship of these three organizations," Shangrow said. "This board and manager have violated that gift. The Bullitts didn't intend the station to become classical music wallpaper."


Mikey's right classical and jazz are dying off.


Interesting. Thanks, coiler. Even classical needs personality.


Only in America would we consider a music genre that is a couple of milleniums old as "dying" because it isn't as popular as other music on the radio.

No music education in the schools? Tell that to my friend Carol who is the music director of a jr high choir that is 425 kids strong. Tell that to the numerous music educators in Washington whose groups routinely take top honors at regional and national competitions. Tell that to the 80 4th graders at my school who are in love with orchestra class. Tell that to my 17 year old nephew who has performed classically based vocal music at competitions in California and Oregon. Mr. Banel did not do his research before tossing out that comment.

Now, maybe people don't listen to KING as much as they listen to jazz or rock, but it would be a shame to lose the station. I stream KING and KPLU in the library and my students often ask me to turn it up a little. Granted, this is probably the only environment where they will get to hear it, but it makes it even more important that they hear it. We are losing touch, as a society, of rich artistic knowledge.

Only in America do people equate classical music with elitism, along with other kinds of the arts. It's really a shame.


"if a guy can run a signal out of his garage, there must be ways to do it on the cheap."

Depends on what level of service you're talking about, Joanie. Sure, for a couple thousand bucks you can throw a few watts out of your garage and cover a couple of miles (more, if you live on top of Queen Anne). In that sense, I wish the FCC could find a piece of spectrum that people could just toss a signal on without being hunted down as "pirates".

Past that, you're talking about really serious money, to license, equip, site, maintain and feed power hungry transmitters... even though (as the komo situation proved) you can feed even those things with MP3 players. I'm not sure how you could do someting like that out of your garage without some kind of seriously formal financial structure to keep it going.

Sparky: Wasn't trying to imply that classical music was dead in the schools. However, band and orchestra are a couple of subjects that always seem to be at the top of the "cut list" whenever levy time comes around. Funny... football never seems to make that list.


Many blogs like to post posts about how things are dying. It gets people's attention. KIRO has been on its death bed for like four years. I love this blog but I gotta be honest.


Oh I wasnt referring to your comment, ksr..I meant the esteemed Feliks Banel.
And you are so right..sports will never be touched, regardless if a school district doesn't have the money to have electricity. Music, Art...those are the first to go.
Pity, since kids who are musicians also excel at math.


The comparison to KFUO-FM in St. Louis is not appropriate. The problems at KFUO are due to awful management. That station also has a KFUO-AM outlet which focuses on religious talk. Both KFUO stations have long survived on donations which come not only from the St. Louis area but nationwide. Income for both stations dropped DRAMATICALLY after the station cancelled their most popular radio show "Issues Etc." Fans of the show know that it was cancelled for purely political reasons. The show had a national audience, including a Seattle affiliate until it was cancelled in Spring 2008. That is when I stopped donating to KFUO. I now listen to Issues Etc online and download podcasts from the show's website. Thousands of listeners worldwide like myself now support Issues Etc directly which has been even more successful in its current incarnation.

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