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July 24, 2009

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mrogi

Even Obama would admit he "acted stupidly" when he dove headfirst into a fiery situation without knowing all the facts.

woody held

Gates is nothing but a cheap bigot. He cried racism at this cop, who it turns out, once gave mouth-to-mouth to a dying black man who turned out to be Celtics player Reggie Lewis.

Gates thinks that every white cop is a racist, itself a form of bigotry. Time and time again we find that Obama hangs out with bigots who look down their noses at the 'typical white person.'

After decades of progress towards the dream of Martin Luther King, we have stalled out because of accusations against the James Crowleys. We see it in the continual baseless accusations against conservative radio hosts, we see it from the Sharptons and Gateses, and we see it in everyday life.

We will not see further progress until we get beyond this. I do not doubt that Obama means well, but he needs to grow a spine and stand up to the race-baiters.

chucks

It really is all about race with you people, BlaM. When will you ever tire of taking advantage of racism be being racist?
You saw the pictures of the guy. He was hand cuffed in front and was without blood and bruises on his face and body.
In the words of one of the great 20th century philosophers, Chris Rock "If you don't want to get your ass beat, be polite". When dealing with a police officer, doing his job, it works for white people, black people, brown people, yellow people and whatever is left over.

sparky

"We will not see further progress until we get beyond this." And what will YOU do to get beyond it? How about not assuming that black people are just whiners? Or did you mean that blacks have to get over themselves?

Sorry chucks, and woody..you are not black and you will never understand what they feel like. You will never understand what if feels like to have someone cross the street in fear just because you are black. To have your children told to get out of the pool so they don't "contaminate" it.

Complaining that he should have just "cooperated" instead of wondering if the cop went overboard, is a prime example of it. If you think this was an isolated case, you need to talk to someone who has gone through it.

Police have a very difficult job. But they are human, and they make mistakes.

Puget Sound

the other two officers on the scene were of hispanic and african american descent. are you calling them racists in the way they acted?
the only ones playing it straight down the racial lines were prof gates, the black mayor, the black govenor, and black president who all sided with the black prof gates without the benefit of knowing the facts. pres obama himself said in the press conference that he did not have the facts and then went forward to nail the cops as acting in a stupid manner.
people can say it was leading with your heart. others can call it a knee jerk reaction. but heh, pres obama felt very comfortable sitting in rev wright's front pew for 20 years listening to him spew from the pulpit.
it very WELL could be that the police were all wet in this situation or it could be that prof gates made a series of poor decisions such as trying to intimidate the officer by threatening and then attempting to call the chief of police instead of simply complying with what the officer was asking for in terms of showing identification, telling the officer that he would talk to his 'mama' outside among other things, or trying to incite the crowd that gathered outside.
for the record, as mark steyn puts it officer crowley's mother was not outside the home.
mark steyn also raises a great point about the fact that with all the recording equipment available to police that if one goes a hooting and hollering the police will likely record it especially when they decide that they'll be arresting you for disorderly conduct.

why the pres felt it necessary to comment on an unclear local law enforcement matter is beyond me. he is the pres and his words have meaning.

what does interest me is that the neighbor and prof gates evidently know so little of each other that she couldn't understand that it was the prof trying to get into his own house. that will be an interesting facet of the case. or maybe she only saw the driver trying to get into the front.

but yeah, chucks, it always is about race when you can score political points. like you, i follow the chris rock rules of engagement. having been a police officer i understand how acting in a calm/reasonable manner allows the officer to finish his/her investigation and will often get you the benefit of the doubt. after all, it is the behavior of the suspect that drives a lot of the encounter with the officer.
lets get the tape of the event. the officer keyed the mike to allow some of it to be recorded when he realized it was going to turn into a disorderly conduct issue and we'll get a good flavor of what went on. we have the other two officers who can attest to what they saw going on. plus the witnesses. should be interesting.

movedtotears

Some of these remarks remind me that 5 years ago we wouldn't be having this discussion. The Obama election and administration have brought us to a news era. Rush Limbaugh is the face of an old order. In the next 5 years, we'll be laughing in disbelief that this inelegant fat, rich guy could ever get so much attention.

woody held

Don't lecture me lady, you know nothing about me. What makes you think that I have done nothing to get beyond it? You are just like Obama, wading into a area knowing nothing of the facts. For 10 years I was with a black woman who was from the projects (in anoother state) so I not only understand it, I lived it. I taught math as a volunteer to black kids because I resolutely believed that the stereotype that "blacks can't do math" was a fallacy and I wanted to do my little part to disprove it. Don't freakin talk about what you haven't a clue about.

Where did I say that 'black people are whiners?' I said that this cop is clearly not a racist, yet Gates accused him of just that. Nowhere did I say that 'black people are whiners.'

You make me want to vomit.

Puget Sound


Sorry chucks, and woody..you are not black and you will never understand what they feel like. You will never understand what if feels like to have someone cross the street in fear just because you are black. To have your children told to get out of the pool so they don't "contaminate" it.

Complaining that he should have just "cooperated" instead of wondering if the cop went overboard, is a prime example of it. If you think this was an isolated case, you need to talk to someone who has gone through it.

Police have a very difficult job. But they are human, and they make mistakes.

Posted by: sparky | July 25, 2009 at 08:01 AM


What you have in that comment is the bigotry of low expectations as expressed in liberal-speak. A Black man can't be expected to act in a rational manner due to factors outside of his control. The man-child. etc.

It really is nothing less than infantilizing african americans and rather insulting. The problem is that the 'sparky's' of this world see nothing wrong with it as it fits into their world view.

I'll pause as you log off as sparky, and log on as coiler...or perhaps one of the other alias you use.

Trouble is, I will be done for the day so I'll miss it all.

Coiler

"Gates thinks that every white cop is a racist" Where do you get that generalization?

"We see it in the continual baseless accusations against conservative radio hosts"

Really?

Rush Limbaugh: “Let’s Face It, President Obama Is Black”

Coiler

"We see it in the continual baseless accusations against conservative radio hosts"


“Obama wants to take your daughters’ virginity. What will you do to stop him?”-Rush

Mark C.

Until now, Obama has been so far above this fray. He's kept a clean distance from the Boomer/civil rights era generation of black activists like Sharpton and Jesse. I was disappointed that he got in this especially when healthcare was (is) so important.
On the other hand, Rush Limbaugh is a pig. The distinction between the two men has again been drawn and perhaps in the end, Obama can make this into lemonade. Healthcare will be passed this year.

Coiler

Yes, Gates just posted that he wants to meet with the officer so it's up to Sgt Crowley now.

Statement from Henry Louis Gates, Jr.

"It was very kind of the President to phone me today. Vernon Jordan is absolutely correct: my unfortunate experience will only have a larger meaning if we can all use this to diminish racial profiling and to enhance fairness and equity in the criminal justice system for poor people and for people of color.

And to that end, I look forward to studying the history of racial profiling in a new documentary for PBS. I told the President that my principal regret was that all of the attention paid to his deeply supportive remarks during his press conference had distracted attention from his health care initiative. I am pleased that he, too, is eager to use my experience as a teaching moment, and if meeting Sgt. [James] Crowley for a beer with the President will further that end, then I would be happy to oblige.

After all, I first proposed that Sgt. Crowley and I meet as early as last Monday. If my experience leads to the lessening of the occurrence of racial profiling, then I would find that enormously gratifying. Because, in the end, this is not about me at all; it is about the creation of a society in which 'equal justice before law' is a lived reality."

Henry Louis Gates Jr. is editor in chief of The Root.

Randy Marcosi

It was just a matter of time. Obama is just another black race hustler. I knew it wouldn't take long until his black race talk would get up and running. This is just the beginning, too. Expect a torrent of "civil rights" legislation and the Sharptons and the Jesse Jacksons to be running around The People's House. Will Henry Gates be the next Supreme Court nominee?

It makes me sick seeing the "Sunday going to meeting" atmosphere these people are having every night in the most dignified and sacred spaces of our Republic. Expect the rap gangstas and the crack dealers soon.

I notice he includes "the Latinos" every time he talks about race injustice. He's setting us up for a Mexican to take over after him.

I'm fed up with this liberal Wonderland that is being set up for us. We need to take our country back. Let's face it - White people are the only group in this country qualified to lead in a serious manner. Has anyone spoken of impeachment?

woody held

"Gates thinks that every white cop is a racist" Where do you get that generalization? "

Simple. Gates had zero reason to believe that this cop was a racist. But from the beginning of the confrontation he accused that. Since he knew nothing about this cop, and it turns out that the cop was no racist, it is no stretch to think that Gates believes either conciously or subconciously that all white cops are racist. If not, where did he get the notion that James Crowley was a racist?

"We see it in the continual baseless accusations against conservative radio hosts"
Really?
Rush Limbaugh: “Let’s Face It, President Obama Is Black”

Posted by: Coiler | July 25, 2009 at 08:57 AM

"

BS, Absolute crap. I have seen so many Limbaugh 'racist' quotes taken out of context, that you will have to supply context before I even comment. There is a whole list of them floating around the web. Remember that Limbaugh is a satirist, so it is child's play to take something out of context and make him look bad. Ask James Golden, Walter Williams, Tom Sowell, and Clarence Thomas if Limbaugh is a racist.

Here's a question for you. Since by your own standards, a single phrase ripped out of context proves racism, what about the phrase "typical white person." Does that prove Obama to be a bigot?

vv

Right on Woody, all this racist this racist that means Blacks (Obama) are not ready to run the country, much less the world like he is trying to do. They should go back to running Chicago corruption, THAT they are good at.

chucks

Many a black man uses accusations of racism to get what he wants at the moment. One of my favorites was watching black guys hit on white women while in the dating scene in years gone by. If a white girl rebuffed the advance, he would immediatly throw out the "are you a racist?" crap to overcome her by exploiting her white guilt. I have know idea how often it worked.
Did not work for shit for me when I would try it on a black woman.
Minorities throw out the race card to cops, teachers, professors, repo men, loan officers, etc. What the hell, if it works, why not use it.

vv

That is correct Chuck. That is why they're minorities, and why they will stay minorities. Maybe if they would try to work for a living instead of trying for the welfare and the lawsuit and the anti-discrimination charges, they could overcome there minority status by earning it.

Duffman

Now, it appears that Woody Held is owed an apology...but, will he get one. [smile]

Billy Bob

This debate, while somewhat worthy, and certainly long overdue, is exactly the distraction the corporate controlled media and the power elite have been searching for.

Just as the health-care pendulum may have been swinging toward the regular people, Fox News and Rush and Hannity and Bonneville and Time Warner start to heavily push this tempest in a teapot.

Just look at Drudge Report or Fox News and you'll see they want us worker bees (even the unemployed worker bees) to take sides on this issue and forget about health care.

The "haves" want you to buy your beer. Watch your football. Debate American Idol. Go to Seafair. Be glued to Michael Jackson coverage.

Wait, that's not working? Healthcare reform might pass? Let's pump up this phony race controversy!

woody held

"Right on Woody, all this racist this racist that means Blacks (Obama) are not ready to run the country, much less the world like he is trying to do. They should go back to running Chicago corruption, THAT they are good at.

Posted by: vv | July 25, 2009 at 10:34 AM
"

Sock puppet. Lefty trolls, stop coming on and posing as right wing racists. 'vv' I suggest you go off somewhere and get your rectum calibrated.

Duffman

Why are you lying.

Coiler

Uh huh...

-=AuthenticAndrew=-

I think most people agree with the president's original sentiments anyhow. It appears from all sides that the cop arrested the professor in retaliation of his loud criticism. The professor did nothing even mildly illegal.

Obama is just doing what he has to do to appease the white extremist wackos. He was right all along.

Duffman

Interfering with a police officer's investigation and his/her attempt to gather the facts is against the law. If witness cops and recorded audio show that he (the cop) was being interfered with, then yes the professor did something 'mildly illegal'. This will likely now blow over because the professor has indicated he wants to move on; we may never find out the actual facts of the matter, so I suggest we do as the good professor wishes and MOVE ON. [smile]

chucks

So, what do you all think if 5% of the American gun owners in this nation decided that they were ready to take it to the next level with "minor" breaches of the law?
We have some very nasty people controlling the levers of power. What are our options?

Puget Sound

Now, it appears that Woody Held is owed an apology...but, will he get one. [smile]

Posted by: Duffman | July 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM

spot on Duff.
as you know, sparky feels free to infer how others (such as chucks or woody can understand or feel) yet when it turns back on ol sparky then it's time for coiler to 'appear.' or maybe another of the aliases come up to post crap ostensibly as a sock puppet. kind of boring.
long term posters on this blog understand it. except for the slow one.
kind of funny that sparky-coils thinks it works.
anywho, the bigotry of low expectations is really an awful mindset.
thinking a black man can't be calm or reasonable when talking with the police. it's awful. it's unfair. it should stop.

sockdolager

Anyone who says race isn't an issue in this country, should take a look at this comment thread.

mrogi

Louis Gates has a long established reputation as a bellicose belligerent blowhard. He's a smooth talking, silver-tongued, hip, dip, down with blues baby, taking the Queen's English mounting it and riding it like some deranged coke-snorting Yale U. Phd, black Thomas Jefferson rapper on a mission.

Xerxes' Uncle Toot

If a cop did the same thing to some libertarian, NRA, rat-fuck, day-job rancher on the outskirts of Tulsa, these assholes would be going all Ruby Ridge on us. They can thank their lucky stars this was a black, fuzzy-headed Harvard perfessor vs. a thick-head Irish cop, fits right in with the 'liberal elites' story line. Healthcare will be passed, anyway.

Tigsnort

I think the real question everyone's avoiding is: what's the deal with Limbaugh's obsession with "anal poisoning"? What is it? Why has no one ever heard of "anal poisoning" before except him? Is it something Limbaugh invented? Or perhaps caught on one of his sex trips to the Dominican Republic?

Duffman

Please post for yourself or don't post.

chucks

I thought Ruby Ridge, like Waco were reasonable dispositions. It is good that you said fuzzy-headed when refering to the idiot professor. Thought you were going to go all Imus on us for a moment.
The police officer was very gentle to that guy. The guy is a bigot and the policeman should have thumped his dumb ass.

Coiler

"The guy is a bigot and the policeman should have thumped his dumb ass."

I guess Reginald Denny was a bigot too when he got his ass thumped.

Jason Lafferty

It'll be great when the Boomer gens both right and left have died off. talk radio will be gone, and nasty racial scuffles like this one will be few and far between.

HoChiMinh

Hello everyone, I'm back from China. What have I missed?

KVIFan

Not a hell of a lot, Duffman is giving handjobs to everyone

nevets

"Sorry chucks, and woody..you are not black and you will never understand what they feel like. You will never understand what if feels like to have someone cross the street in fear just because you are black. To have your children told to get out of the pool so they don't "contaminate" it."

"Complaining that he should have just "cooperated" instead of wondering if the cop went overboard, is a prime example of it. If you think this was an isolated case, you need to talk to someone who has gone through it."

Posted by: sparky | July 25, 2009 at 08:01 AM


I think after hearing Rachel Maddow the other night, Sparky is trying to make amends for some past family history she is ashamed of. Better late than never they say.

As for me on this subject, I have experience. The only time I was ever arrested was when I basically did the same thing as Mr. Gates. I got smart with a police offcer. Sure I was mad at the time. But afterwards, I realized it was my fault and that I should have kept my mouth shut. Spent 8 hours in some cell in Oakland.

So Sparky is right guys, this happens all the time. Except she thinks it only happens to blacks. Well Sparky, it doesn't. Sorry to bust that myth for ya.

mrogi

Stop pretending Louis Gates is the 21st century version of Rosa Parks. Gates is a bellicose belligerent assclown with a gigantic ego. Nothing more and nothing less.

Coiler

Its a moot point, both sides are going to sit down. Limbaugh and his KKK movement won't get it's bonfire. They have been played by the master. The 12 state strategy will have to sit out another election.

Puget Sound

Its a moot point, both sides are going to sit down. Limbaugh and his KKK movement won't get it's bonfire. They have been played by the master. The 12 state strategy will have to sit out another election.

Posted by: Coiler | July 25, 2009 at 11:50 PM

I am going to ask, why if the Dems have the majority in the house/senate that they don't use it and pass the legislation. Dems worked hard to get the veto proof majorities YET can't get their big ticket items past.

2010 is around the corner for the House. Doesn't bode well right now for Dems. How many Dems are out there right now upset that the majority they worked so hard to get won't pass their legislation such as Healthcare, Closing Gitmo, and don't you know Dick Cheney is still walking around a free man...those damn blue dog democrats keep biting you on the ass.

See, they would like to get re-elected in their districts. And most of the country is not like Seattle. The 50 State strategy worked cause in conservative districts or states the Dems ran as relative conservatives -can you say John Testor- with a change message. Nancy Pelosi doesn't play well and she has become such a high profile that it will hurt congressional Dems in those balanced districts.

Maybe someone else got played...take a look in the mirror and say, 'hiya Sparky.' Oh yeah, we'll wait for Sparky to come 'back' from the exile and pretend to have been 'away.' I will admit, not pulling out ol reliable 'Dick Gregory' to post on this topic has shown remarkable restraint on your part. Kudos.

Puget Sound

"... It appears from all sides that the cop arrested the professor in retaliation of his loud criticism. The professor did nothing even mildly illegal.

Obama is just doing what he has to do to appease the white extremist wackos. He was right all along.

Posted by: -=AuthenticAndrew=- | July 25, 2009 at 02:00 PM

Andrew, you start a hooting and hollering when the police officer is trying to get your ID and ascertain the facts and you'll find yourself in a similar situation.
But please don't believe me...

chucks

Any one of you got the courage, dial 911 and hang up. Maybe for effect, drop a heavy plate on the floor, breaking it just as the 911 operator asks "what is your emergency?", then hang up.
The net effect will be about the same as a neighbor witnessing a burglary in progress and calling 911. At least two police cars will respond, probably more. After containing the perimiter, they will knock on the door. They will ID you, outside of the home. If you must retrieve your ID, they will go with you while you get it. They will verify that there is not anyone in the house in danger. If there are two or more people in the house, they will question each seperately to make sure that "she" is not intimidated to speak in front of him and vice-verse.
If you try to interfere with the investigation, get beligerant, etc., you are probably going to jail. You may even enjoy being tazed or beat down. You are not going to intimidate the police and they are not going to leave before they are certain there is no crime (DV, hostage situation, etc.) in progress.
In the words of the great 20th century, recently dead philosifer, MJ "it makes no difference if you're black or white (yellow, brown).
If the po po did it any other way, they would be negligant in the performance of their duty.

Gadsden

Long Legged Mac Daddy

Must have had a different “Black Experience”

youarearaidofthetruth

I've said it before....anyone who listens or pays attention to a gay extremist running a internet web site....ought to have their heads examined....(and this includes you joanie...and you sparky)...*wink*... have fun....probably get deleted for this....

nevets

Chucks you are again right on the money. But as for DV which I suppose you mean domestic violence. Isn't it required, if a police officer responds that one of the two involved goes to jail?

sparky

I haven't gone anywhere, Putsie, but it sure is entertaining to watch you guys try to outdo yourselves at being silly.

I didn't call woodrow or chucks racists...I asked wood what HE was going to do to get beyond "this", meaning what appeared to be his and a lot of people's conclusion that Gates "deserved it." That is a global "lot of people", not just on this board. He called Gates " a cheap bigot." And so wood feels lectured? About what? It's ok to call a black man a bigot because he had a black girlfriend, and that somehow give him some sort of immunity in his namecalling? Puts thinks the only people who "played the race card" are the black elected officials? So your run of the mill white person wouldn't see this incident as a bad thing? Is it not true that black people regularly feel they are always the ones that have to take on the burden of proof that they are innocent? Do policemen never make mistakes? Ever?

Bottom line, none of us were there and the parties involved have worked it out.

Of course, Putsie, you and Duffman are always right there to "translate" and demand apologies for some perceived slight, but that's nothing new. The best part was when you tossed in your "coiler and sparky are the same person" - and - every - other - new - name- on - here sock puppet speech. Haven't seen that one for awhile. It's almost nostalgic.

Chucks, like you always say, you and I agree on nothin'. We have different circles of friends and aquaintances which create our different perceptions of things. But I still think you are a great American.


rkreier

I have mixed reactions to this story: first, I am sure that race played a role in this, but second, police exercizing their authority arbitrarily is a problem even for whites -- some police officers tend to be overly concerned with respect for their authority. We all know that you can't question them, even when they are clearly behaving unfairly. If you challenge them, they can and will arrest you for it. Look at what happened during the WTO incident. People were arrested for just being in the area, and two women were maced by a cop up on Capitol Hill, while sitting in their car. It is not illegal to become angry at cops, but it is dangerous, especially for blacks, young males -- but, in fact, for anybody.

Thomas Kempler

This is a complicated issue. In an ideal world Gates wouldn't have lost his temper. And as cops go, Sergeant James M. Crowley seems to be trying hard to do a good job and avoid racism.

But look at the law:

http://masscases.com...
COMMONWEALTH vs. JOSEPH MULVEY.
57 Mass. App. Ct. 579
November 6, 2002 - March 14, 2003

"The resulting definition of 'disorderly' . . . includes only those individuals who, 'with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof . . . : (a) engage[] in fighting or threatening, or in violent or tumultuous behavior; or . . . (c) create[] a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of the actor.' " Commonwealth v. Chou, supra at 232 (citations omitted). [Note 6] "Public" is defined as "affecting or likely to affect persons in a place to which the public or a substantial group has access."

So you can't commit disorderly conduct in Massachusetts on your own porch if there's no public around. There was no legal justification for that arrest. And I don't see how anyone can justify arresting somebody for losing his temper and yelling. If Crowley really wanted to be a good, professional cop, he would have left as soon as he established that Gates really lived there.

chucks

Thomas
There were people around. That was in the police report (available at The Smoking Gun). I don't know how many. The case you site is fine, it is tried in a court of law, and carefully pondered for a reasoned decission.
There are hundreds of thousands of tried and pondered cases with well thought out reasoned decissions. The cop has a few seconds to a few minutes to decide.
I would have loved to have seen another "don't taz me bro" moment. But, I can be that kind of an asshole when I get pissed and know it. That is why I quit being a cop after just two years.
Nevets, First it must be determined that a DV did in fact occur and who is the agressor. Still requires some decission making on the part of the investigating officer. I assume it is similar in Massivetaxits.

Tigsnort

There's nothing illegal about ranting and raving inside your own home. But once you're outside and in public, it becomes illegal - "disorderly conduct".

If you read the police report at smokinggun you'll see that it was AFTER Crowley had established that Gates was the true resident, and immediately AFTER Gates made a comment about Crowley's "mama" that Crowley told Gates to follow him outside (where, coincidentally, Gates could then be arrested). Crowley clearly wanted to teach Gates a lesson about disrespecting an officer so he purposely lured him outside. That is not professional conduct.

Gates acted like an asshole, but the cop acted unprofessionally...which is pretty much what Obama said.

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      Visit the burnt-out husk of one of the seminal right-wing talkers in all the land. Here's where once trilled the reactionary tones of Rush Limbaugh, John Carlson, Kirby Wilbur, Mike Siegel, Peter Weissbach, Floyd Brown, Dinky Donkey, and Bryan Suits. Now it's Top 40 hits from the '60's & '70's aimed at that diminishing crowd who still remembers them and can still hear.
    • KTTH am 770 KHz
      Right wing home of local, and a whole bunch of syndicated righties such as Glennn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Medved, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Lars Larsony, and for an hour a day: live & local David Boze.
    • KPTK am 1090 KHz
      Syndicated liberal talk. Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, Norman Goldman fill in the large hole to the left on Northwest radio dial.
    • KLFE AM 1590 kHz
      Syndicated right-wing 2nd stringers like Mark Levin, Bill Bennett, Mike Gallagher, Dennis Prager, Dennis Miller and Hugh Hewitt inhabit this timid-voiced neighbor honker for your radio enjoyment (unless you're behind something large like Costco).
    • KOMOAM
      News, traffic, Ken Schram and John Carlson.
    • Washington State Radio Stations
      Comprehensive list of every danged AM & FM station on the dial.
    • KKOL am 1300 KHz
      Once a rabid right-wing talker, except for Lou Dobbs, it's all business....