take your answer off the air...

  • HorsesAss.Org: the straight poop on WA politics & the press
    progressive brilliance from the guy who pointed out Tim Eyman's nascent horse's-assedness
  • Talker's Magazine
    The quirky talk radio trade mag. Check the Talk Radio Research Project- it's not very scientific, but places on the top 15 talkers list (scroll down to Talk Radio Audiences By Size)) are as hotly contested as Emmys (and mean just about as much).
  • The Advocate
    No, not THAT Advocate... it's the Northwest Progressive Institute's Official Blog.
  • Media Matters
    Documentation of right-wing media in video, audio and text.
  • Orcinus
    home of David Neiwert, freelance investigative journalist and author who writes extensively about far-right hate groups
  • Hominid Views
    "People, politics, science, and whatnot" Darryl is a statistician who fights imperialism with empiricism, gives good links and wry commentary.
  • Jesus' General
    An 11 on the Manly Scale of Absolute Gender, a 12 on the Heavenly Scale of the 10 Commandments and a 6 on the earthly scale of the Immaculately Groomed.
  • Howie in Seattle
    Howie Martin is the Abe Linkin' of progressive Seattle.
  • Streaming Radio Guide
    Hellishly long (5795!) list of radio streaming, steaming on the Internets.
  • The Naked Loon
    News satire -- The Onion in the Seattle petunia patch.
  • Irrational Public Radio
    "informs, challenges, soothes and/or berates, and does so with a pleasing vocal cadence and unmatched enunciation. When you listen to IPR, integrity washes over you like lava, with the pleasing familiarity of a medium-roast coffee and a sensible muffin."
  • The Maddow Blog
    Here's the hyper-interactive La Raych of MSNBC. daily show-vids, freakishly geeky research, and classy graphics.
  • Northwest Broadcasters
    The AM, FM, TV and digital broadcasters of Northwest Washington, USA and Southwest British Columbia, Canada. From Kelso, WA to the northern tip of Vancouver Island, BC - call letters, formats, slogans, networks, technical data, and transmitter maps. Plus "recent" news.
  • News Corpse
    The Internet's chronicle of media decay.
  • The Moderate Voice
    The voice of reason in the age of Obama, and the politics of the far-middle.
  • News Hounds
    Dogged dogging of Fox News by a team who seems to watch every minute of the cable channel so you don't have to.
  • HistoryLink
    Fun to read and free encyclopedia of Washington State history. Founded by the late Walt Crowley, it's an indispensable tool and entertainment source for history wonks and surfers alike.

right-wing blogs we like

  • The Reagan Wing
    Hearin lies the real heart of Washington State Republicans. Doug Parris runs this red-meat social conservative group site which bars no holds when it comes to saying who they are and who they're not; what they believe and what they don't; who their friends are and where the rest of the Republicans can go. Well-written, and flaming.
  • Orbusmax
    inexhaustible Drudgery of NW conservative news
  • The Radio Equalizer
    prolific former Seattle KVI, KIRO talk host speaks authoritatively about radio.
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June 04, 2009



KS, I’m not as mean as the rest of the folks here. I won’t call you klueless. I think you have a nozzle at your house that is directly connected to Faux News. You insert said hose to your pie hole and ingest the crap whole hog. When your head is full and your blood shot eyes are bulging you spew this crap every place you can.


Steele, what could the right-wingers possible find to criticize about such a statesman-like speech? Could anybody really criticize anything he said?

He reasonableness and humility make vengeful idiots on the right look even more emotional and saber-rattling than ever. The calmer he stays, the crazier they appear.

Don't you love it?

Queens Hunter

GOP doesnt need to write a counter proposal budget.

It is all yours libs. GOP just needs to sit back and let you spend, spend, spend.

You will get to answer for the results.


Let me guess, KS is scanning the internet’s for some half assed proposals. Way not give the load of crap form the GOP, “let the companies fail”?


The head of the republican party today said Obama was too apologetic, and also compared him to al Queda. This is yet another reason why we'll be in charge for awhile.


Coiler, Drew, Steele, it's been fun.

On the happy note of Obama's eloquent speech which - KS - articulates a sense of his foreign policy, I bid you all a good night.


Queens Hunter, you are right. Except for one small problem. What if he’s right? What if what he does work? I know the right will try to demonize everything he does but the middle portion of the country doesn’t think like you. Maybe you and KS will be on the corner screaming the end of the world while everyone else will contemplate Clinton.


QH- it's not that the failed republicans don't have to. They were given the opportunity and couldn't come up with anything. They failed their constituents, and they failed the undying love of supporters like you.
The GOP DID need to come up with a counter proposal, because they were offered the opportunity to prove they had a better idea. This is not a sandbox where you can just stomp your feet and cry because things aren't going your way. The Democrats are in control now, and you can either compromise and have a say in where we're going, or you can just take your seat. The bus is moving now, you really should sit down.


Coiler, Drew, Joanie, Q it’s been an honor. Hittin’ the sack. These are tough questions I wouldn’t wait for answers.

Puget Sound

Yah Puget Sound, I cringed when I posted that. The word hypocrisy seems so rigid or right leaning. I should have said I’m here to support the liberal way of thinking and rebuff the extreme right. Which I’m finding only exist here in a very small way. I may be wrong; some righties may pop out of their hidey holes. You know the KS the street fighter brigade.

Oh, also make fun of the stupider things written.

Posted by: M.Steele | June 04, 2009 at 09:35 PM

Given that, it must be rough holding it back when you look at some of the postings on this blog. Ah the things you could do if you opened up your sights a bit and were willing to go after the stupid or contradictory postings without regard to party.
I tip my hat to you as I couldn't stay that disciplined. Stupid is as Stupid does albeit party affiliation.

In regards to KS, he's no rigid right winger. Painting him as that does you a diservice. I've had the advantage to have read his postings over the past couple years and seen him go after the right to include Bush, Savage, et al more than once.

But if you're looking to engage the extreme right on this particular blog the pickings will be thinner than that membrane I pulled off those ribs last night. Which by the way, I've now passed on to a few neighbors already.


That was fun - getting that attention and listening to your rants and talking points, incoherent for the most part and lacking common sense. Your rebuttals generally missed the points I was making about his handling of the economy. I stand by my statements.

"Let me guess, KS is scanning the internet’s for some half assed proposals. Way not give the load of crap form the GOP, “let the companies fail”?

Settle down. Why does the government need want to own everything ? That is nothing more than having the Government pull strings like a dictatorship.
When will the government give up ownership of GM ? Chavez and Castro both admitted this week that the Prez is more left wing than they are - did you catch that ? Otherwise, your economic aptitude underwhelms me.

"The head of the republican party today said Obama was too apologetic, and also compared him to al Queda."

He had to walk a tightrope on the speech he gave. It will surprise you, but thought the speech was pretty good - less apologetic this time. The second statement by the chairman of the RNC is ridiculous if he actually said that - I'd like to see the FULL quote, not just the sound byte.

He compartmentalizes well - he is a fine speaker, but his actions in other areas leave a lot to be desired. As I said earlier, maybe he will wise up and do more than just listen to alternate proposals that have been proven. Just sayin'


KS, sorry about the typo.

Anyway, to address your first “Why does the government need want to own everything?”

I find this statement hyperbolic and may be filled with some paranoia.

And this one, “Chavez and Castro both admitted this week that the Prez is more left wing than they are - did you catch that ? Otherwise, your economic aptitude underwhelms me.”

Come on, your getting your political way points from Chavez and Castro? Weren’t you the one that posted a Pravda article entitled "American capitalism gone with a whimper"? Do you swallow everything you hear whole hog? Do you give any consideration to who is feeding you this information?


Conservatives Are More Easily Disgusted
Robert Roy Britt

LiveScience.com robert Roy Britt

livescience.com 2 hrs 19 mins ago
People who squirm at the sight of bugs or are grossed out by blood and guts are more likely to be politically conservative, new studies find.

In particular, the squeamish are more apt to have conservative attitudes about gays and lesbians.

Lots of other research has tied politics to biology and behavior. Some quick background:

A study last year found that when people feel physically clean, they are less judgmental.
Another study found that political conservatives tend to be tidy, with organized offices, but liberals favor colorful, more stylish but cluttered spaces.
Political views are driven by religion, culture and even biology, other research has shown.
A large, global study in 2007 concluded that political preference is 50 percent genetic.
The new studies

In one of the new studies, Cornell University psychology professor David Pizarro and colleagues surveyed 181 U.S. adults from politically mixed swing states. They used a Disgust Sensitivity Scale (DSS), which offers various scenarios to assess disgust sensitivity, as well as a political ideology scale. They found a correlation between being more easily disgusted and political conservatism.

Then they surveyed 91 Cornell undergraduates with the DSS, as well as with questions about their positions on issues including gay marriage, abortion, gun control, labor unions, tax cuts and affirmative action. Participants who rated higher in disgust sensitivity were more likely to oppose gay marriage and abortion, issues that are related to notions of morality or purity.

The results are detailed in the journal Cognition & Emotion.

In a separate study in the current issue of the journal Emotion, Pizarro and colleagues found a link between higher disgust sensitivity and disapproval of gays and lesbians. In this research, they used implicit measures, which assess attitudes people may be unwilling to report explicitly or that they may not even know they possess.

The studies were funded by the university.

Morals and disgust

Morals and disgust are intertwined. Research earlier this year found that people react similarly to disgusting photographs by curling the upper lip and wrinkling the nose. When judging behavior, our disgust can actually make us feel physically sick.

Pizarro explains that disgust is evolution's way of protecting us from disease. Unfortunately, in his view, disgust is now used to make moral judgments.

Liberals and conservatives disagree about whether disgust has a valid place in making moral judgments, Pizarro argues. Some conservatives think there is inherent wisdom in repugnance, that feeling disgusted about something - gay sex between consenting adults, for example - is cause enough to judge it wrong or immoral, even lacking a concrete reason, Pizarro explains. Liberals tend to disagree, and are more likely to base judgments on whether an action or a thing causes actual harm, he said.

Studying the link between disgust and moral judgment could help explain the strong differences in people's moral opinions, Pizarro figures. And it could offer strategies for persuading some to change their views.

"People have pointed out for a long time that a lot of our moral values seem driven by emotion, and in particular, disgust appears to be one of those emotions that seems to be recruited for moral judgments," Pizarro said.

An interesting related aside to chew on: Research published in 2007 in the Journal of Applied Psychology found that people who think of themselves as having high moral standards often become the worst cheats because they pursue what they believe to be a moral end at all cost.


Hyperbolic and paranoid ? Only commenting on what appears to be the recent trend. That goes away as soon as Government ownership is discontinued - you have to admit it sets a disconcerting precedent, unless you favor dictatorships.

MS - The Pravda article seems plausible, especially the part about our education system. What part of it do you substantively debate or refute ? I trust their comments more than the politically motivated comments from our media. As for the article quoting Chavez and Castro - google it yourself and see for yourself.

Interesting article about conservatives vs. liberal. psychologically. I'd consider myself a combination of both.


KS, let me be more clear. I don’t care what Chavez and Castro ruminate about. Pravda is way down on my reading list. There are reasons why I don’t look to these sources as credible or reasoned. If you are basing your opinions on these sources I can see why posters here make light of your comments. Try Foreign Affairs magazine, it tends to lean right and sports a massive bull pin of right wing thinkers. Been reading it since my twenties.


The head of the GOP was all over the web...





Not too many people missed it.


Which head of the gop, I thought they had several?


Yes, they are like the
seven-headed hydra. I think they take turns being in the barrel, so they don't get too tired from having to think up stuff. Another reason why we won. Michael Weiner would be another.


Before you give yourselves too much credit for 'winning' (i.e. we won) I would wait 'till results are in determining whether or not this country won and what. [smile]


It’s astonishing to me; this is the Republican Party reaction.
If I’m reading the article by Robert Roy Britt, “easily disgusted people” when uneasy, will moralize what they disagree with. Then Applied Psychology says, people having high moral standards don’t apply those morals to themselves. Zounds…if this ain’t the RushBO himself, a disgusting, moralizing pill swiller.
By the way Drew, my wife calls my den the swamp.


Hey HO, It’s called and election, we did win


What exactly did you win. Yes, I know the POTUS position but also all existing problems. Bottom-line is hardly in on if those problems will get solved or perpetuated and/or accellerated. Let's hope it's 'we (as in Country) win' instead of some political ideology. Wouldn't THAT be a revelation. I wish our President the best and I will help him in any way I can but no one really knows yet if 'he's up to the task'. [smile]


Why are you trying to define the word win and how it’s perceived? You can’t logically define the four tour of duty presidents take as a win. He does well for the country and thus makes it better than when he received it. Or he does awful and the country is worse off than it was when he took office. Then the next guy inherits the said mess.

Now if I was to gage his success thus far, I think he’s been a smashing success. If you want to wait seven years to make a ruling on him by all means do so.


Steele, this is an example of their polite way of saying, "If we can't win, then nobody wins." It's more of that sandbox ideaology, which is getting the cons nowhere.
When I posted the psych study data, I had no idea the right would step forward so quickly to prove it to be at least plausible.
If she keeps pushing the "swamp" label, you may have to explain to her the importance of protecting ALL ecosystems. BTW, my home has been designated The Bunker of Democracy, by people who ought to know.

Queens Hunter

"smashing success":

Snubbing the Frogs, pissing off Merkel, dissing the Queen, pissing of the Israelis, unemployment hit 9+% depsite reassurances that if the sitmulus was signed it would not exceed 8%. Spending/obligating more than all previous Pres combined in his first 100 days and creating deficits and debts we likely will never dig out of in our life times. Joy riding AF 1 for a photo op (wonder who was on that manifest?)and taking his bitter wife to NY for a night on our tab.

We obviously have different definitions of success.

BTW-I would hope all his efforts at creating jobs work-but they wont. Can you name one country has spent money on stimulus packages that worked.

For both you & Drew. I am not a GOP member, just conservative in my beliefs. Most of the GOP are Rhinos and eunuchs. I didnt like W's lack of fisical disicipline but he looks like a piker compared to the current socialist who has the treasury printing presses working 24/7. And W did try to reach across the isle and look how the murdering kennedy, schumer and your gal pelosi reacted. I am content to sit back and let you do it all-you have all the power, now show us your goods. Tax hikes, escalating energy prices, inflation will be coming, governemnt control of companies, on and on. The people are starting to awaken to what o is doing and it will eventually backfire. Wheather the damage is repairable is to be seen.

I have had the privilege and honor to serve in the Armed Forces sometimes under difficult conditons like others of you have, and like you expect no special tributes other than to be left alone to do my thing what ever that may be within the law and my creator.


O.K. Q, I’ll leave you alone. But one wonders, if you want to be left alone why post? No answers are necessary, just wondering.

Drew, that ecosystem comment will be a great come back. I’m going to use it when she asks about moving her sewing machine in.

Queens Hunter

I meant being left alone in general-not being hassled by others in public, etc.

Shots by those participating on BW are harmless and I just consider the source.

On this blog anyone/thing appears to be fair game and open season.

The range is now open.

Lock & load....


QH - thanks for your service to this country (I have probably already been labeled fringe right wing from saying this).

MS - Foreign Affairs is not right wing - it is moderate and a good source. I base my opinions on a number of different sources, don't often read the Pravda either, but this article that I received resonated with truth of which is difficult to substantively deny. Be honest, you just didn't like what it said because it appeared to make the left & Hollywood look bad. You/they are good at the rhetoric, but when it comes to rebuttal of substance - the silence is often deafening. A reasoned source that I like to read is David Brooks, who is a thoughtful, moderate - conservative. He has been about as objective at covering Obama as any journalist I have read.

Let me be clear, I don't care if you or others make light of my comments - I consider the source, as you and the others have been notorious for making ideologically-based ASSumptions when doing so. Here's the piece citing Castro & Chavez for perusal. I found it to be both ironic and revealing :

© Thomson Reuters 2009 All rights reserved

Chavez to Castro: 'Comrade' Obama Farther Left Than Us

Wednesday, June 3, 2009 8:08 AM

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday that he and Cuban ally Fidel Castro risk being more conservative than U.S. President Barack Obama as Washington prepares to take control of General Motors Corp.

During one of Chavez's customary lectures on the "curse" of capitalism and the bonanzas of socialism, the Venezuelan leader made reference to GM's bankruptcy filing, which is expected to give the U.S. government a 60 percent stake in the 100-year-old former symbol of American might.

"Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right," Chavez joked on a live television broadcast.

During a decade in government, Chavez has nationalized most of Venezuela's key economic sectors, including multibillion dollar oil projects, often via joint ventures with the private sector that give the state a 60 percent controlling stake.

Obama has vowed to quickly sell off General Motors once the auto giant is back on its feet, but the government will initially control the company after a $30 billion injection of taxpayer funds.

Chavez, a vehement critic of the U.S. "empire," has toned down his rhetoric since Obama took office in January and the two men shook hands during a summit in Trinidad and Tobago in April.


Re: Article by Robert Roy Britt,
Hey Drew - Turn the clock back 6 years and who was frustrated and pissed off then ?

ANS: it was you and the other liberal ideologues whose party was out of power.

There was some truth to that article, but some of it was circumstancial.


There is nothing wrong with a magazine that leans to the right. As a matter of fact I think they do a good job of recruiting folks from many positions to participate. If you don’t understand it leans right review its history. Get a subscription and you’ll be bombarded by right wing solicitations’ to contribute to some cause or another. Had to cancel mine and buy it off the shelf. Besides, the only thing wrong with right leaning organizations’ is the folks that consume it. If these consumers don’t know there is a political bent to the report it is often mischaracterized by the consumer.

“Be honest, you just didn't like what it said”
I’m being honest; I have no interest in what Chavez, Castro or Pravda have to say. I didn’t read it then and I won’t read it in the future. If you find comfort in these folks then have at it.

Tell me something, if someone from this blog, say joanie, quoted from your media sources would you have unloaded on her? Would Drew, had he done the same, become a leftist commie scab? Your reliance on the absurd has made you the right wing extremist.


“…good at the rhetoric, but when it comes to rebuttal of substance - the silence is often deafening.”

Look, no one is that good. Arguments aren’t shot down as easily in a face to face discussion. And the reason has more to do with mutual respect, listening and a reasoned approach. When one is writing, hyperbole, misdirection, conflation and mendacity can be recognized.

If you rebutted with substance I think you would be met with reasoned rebuttal.
This is not reasoned or grounded…
“Why does the government need want to own everything ? “
It assumes the government wants to own everything. That is only true on extreme right wing media.


Edited for accreditation to KS.

“…good at the rhetoric, but when it comes to rebuttal of substance - the silence is often deafening.”
Posted by: KS | June 05, 2009 at 06:26 PM

Look, no one is that good. Arguments aren’t shot down as easily in a face to face discussion. And the reason has more to do with mutual respect, listening and a reasoned approach. When one is writing, hyperbole, misdirection, conflation and mendacity can be recognized.
If you rebutted with substance I think you would be met with reasoned rebuttal.
This, below, is not reasoned or grounded…
“Why does the government need want to own everything ? “
Posted by: KS | June 05, 2009 at 06:20 AM

It assumes the government wants to own everything. That is only true in extreme right wing media.


Hey Queenie....

I didnt say that health care in Canada is free. I said it cost the family nothing. To get a clearer picture on what it did cost to the taxpayers in general, I called a friend of mine at Western Washington University, who teaches economics for the Canadian Studies Program. She told me they have a 7% sales tax on everything, and that pays for healthcare. So, people can lose their jobs and still have health care.


Why can't they do that at Western and figure out a way to save their historic football program. [smile] Education be damned, it's football that really counts in this country; don't they know that.


MS - you are a good cherry picker. I like to play devil's advocate and look for the truth.

Calling me a right wing extremist seems like an act of desperation and is laughable. If you want to hear what a right wing extremist/ ideologue, listen to Rush, Savage or Hannity. Their rhetoric about the POTUS is quite a bit more harsh than mine. They would have never said that he gave a pretty good speech in Cairo yesterday, in fact just the opposite from them.

"When one is writing, hyperbole, misdirection, conflation and mendacity can be recognized."

You characterized what you Ph(J)oanie, Drew, Sparky and a few other liberal progressive ideologues wrote last night in response to my observation. In spite of that, I find it entertaining over here and there are other voices of moderation and reason here - (Ho, Puts, Nevets and Duffman to name some - when he returns). Obama's approval is about 60%, but his policies only get about 35% approval and I am in the 65% that doesn't approve them. Right-wing extremists number 65% ? maybe in your progressive lib world.

"Why does the government feel the need to want to own everything ? “

I added to that and said that when government ownership of the auto company and banks discontinued, then that assertion would go away. I consider this extraordinary, as this is the first time in my lifetime that the Fed has owned either an auto company or banks. Bush allowed the bail out and government ownership to start in the first place and Obama has (so far) perpetuated it.


"I called a friend of mine at Western Washington University, who teaches economics for the Canadian Studies Program. She told me they have a 7% sales tax on everything"

Sparky, could your friend be wrong? Last I looked the GST is 5% in Canada. Where did the other 2% come from. Why not call another friend to verify that.


"I heard Malloy gushing over him - He speaks like an eloquent adult but acts like a narcissistic juvenile when it comes to his policies - he's a real dolt when it comes to the economy and spending us into prosperity - a bad joke !"
Posted by: KS | June 04, 2009 at 10:05 PM

This is your idea of moderation or a rebuttal? Sounds like Ho, Puts, Nevets and Duffman - when he returns. Oh and Rush and the rest. Good at cherry picking, I don’t know. I think your just easy.


In reference to my last post, the last sentence is a bit of double entendre. Add that to the list rhetorical tools at work here. We libs are known for our funny bone. All the ladies love it.


Last I looked the GST is 5% in Canada. Where did the other 2% come from. Why not call another friend to verify that.
Posted by: nevets | June 05, 2009 at 08:39 PM

Sparky, is nevets arguing in your favor? Could this be the gang that couldn’t shoot straight?


nevets went to a charter school, where numbers value is not part of the normal educational offerings. His name is also listed in the GOP Congressioanl Budget proposal as a co-author.
No math, no worries.


MS - It's easy to obfuscate and quote sound bytes from other people's comments long since sent and out of context - so knock your socks off. FYI - Wild and crazy humor that can drive the ladies wild knows no conservative or liberal boundaries - perception is reality.

This blog could well be nicknamed "Cherry pickers delight". Enough of this tomfoolery for one day.


M.Steele wrote:
"if someone from this blog, say joanie, quoted from your media sources would you have unloaded on her? Would Drew, had he done the same, become a leftist commie scab ?"

First off, the day Joanie does that is when pigs fly. We look at things differently - it depends how she phrases it and tries to blame. I am not prejudice, however I am postjudice - I tend to judge someone after I get to know their cyber-being. As for Drew - quoting from the Pravda (I believe you are asking). He would ridicule it or interpret it differently and blame bad results on the "cons" even it had been proven that they did not cause the situation. If he blamed it on everyone in government for instance, I would be more inclined to agree with that.


I just realized that those are hypotheticals - MS and not sure of your point - just that you've come across like a drama king (noting the sensitivity of gender).

Queens Hunter

More of obummers success:

Dodge Dealer

Letter to the editor

My name is George C. Joseph. I am the sole owner of Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu, a family owned and operated business in Melbourne, Florida.

My family bought and paid for this automobile franchise 35 years ago in 1974. I am the second generation to manage this business.

We currently employ 50+ people and before the economic slowdown we employed over 70 local people. We are active in the community and the local chamber of commerce. We deal with several dozen local vendors on a day to day basis and many more during a month. All depend on our business for part of their livelihood. We are financially strong with great respect in the market place and community. We have strong local presence and stability.

I work every day the store is open, nine to ten hours a day. I know most of our customers and all our employees. Sunshine Dodge is my life.

On Thursday, May 14, 2009 I was notified that my Dodge franchise, that we purchased, will be taken away from my family on June 9, 2009 without compensation and given to another dealer at no cost to them. My new vehicle inventory consists of 125 vehicles with a financed balance of 3 million dollars. This inventory becomes impossible to sell with no factory incentives beyond June 9, 2009.

Without the Dodge franchise we can no longer sell a new Dodge as "new," nor will we be able to do any warranty service work.

Additionally, my Dodge parts inventory, (approximately $300,000.) is virtually worthless without the ability to perform warranty service.

There is no offer from Chrysler to buy back the vehicles or parts inventory.

Our facility was recently totally renovated at Chrysler's insistence, incurring a multi-million dollar debt in the form of a mortgage at Sun Trust Bank.


This is beyond imagination! My business is being stolen from me through NO FAULT OF OUR OWN. We did NOTHING wrong.

This atrocity will most likely force my family into bankruptcy. This will also cause our 50+ employees to be unemployed. How will they provide for their families? This is a total economic disaster.


I beseech your help, and look forward to your reply. Thank you.


George C. Joseph

President & Owner

Sunshine Dodge-Isuzu


Wow! If ligit, THAT's a heavy post. And this country seemed to upset (previously) at the governments of GB and France aiding AirBus; we thought it so unfair. Suddenly it's business as unusual in that regard. Soon, GM (Gov't Motors) will be telling you what kind of car to buy in not so subtle ways so that you still think you have freedom of choice. What a joke; and soon Americans will wake up. It may not be pretty!


He should have ended that letter with "I have an Urgent need". Then maybe, just maybe a local congressmans wife might have an extra dealership they can give him for free.


Who is this jaonie ?
A phony Ph(J)oanie ?

Queens Hunter

M. Steele;

More signs of obummers success:

NEW YORK (AP) - The Federal Reserve announced a $1.2 trillion plan three months ago designed to push down mortgage rates and breathe life into the housing market.

But this and other big government spending programs are turning out to have the opposite effect. Rates for mortgages and U.S. Treasury debt are now marching higher as nervous bond investors fret about a resurgence of inflation.

That's the Catch-22 threatening to make an awful housing market potentially worse and keep the economy stuck in a funk. Kick-starting the economy requires higher spending, but rising rates mean fewer Americans will be able to refinance their home loans. And some potential buyers will be shut out of the market by higher monthly payments they won't be able to afford.

To understand how this is all connected, you have to think like a bond trader. Inflation is their enemy because it means the purchasing power of the dollars they receive when bonds eventually are paid off will be diminished. The only question is by how much.

Yields on 10-year Treasury notes, a benchmark for home mortgages and other consumers loans, jumped from 2.5 percent in March around the time of the Fed announcement to as high as 3.7 percent in recent days as signs that efforts to stabilize the financial system and economy were starting to pay off. And 30-year mortgage rates jumped more than a quarter-point this week to 5.29 percent, the highest level since December, Freddie Mac reported.

"If the meltdown continues in the bond market, then mortgage yields will soon be at levels that choke off refinancing activity," said economist Ed Yardeni, who runs his own investment firm. "Even worse, they could abort any necessary recovery in home sales and prices."

Yardeni coined the term "bond vigilantes" in 1983 to describe how traders took matters into their own hands when they felt the Fed wasn't doing enough to fight inflation, which was running at an annual rate of more than 3 percent at that time.

So what has set off the vigilantes this spring, at a time when the consumer price index is down at an annual rate of 0.7 percent?

One explanation is that bond investors anticipate a greater supply of government debt being sold to fund federal spending. Investors are also increasingly fearful that the trillions of dollars the government will need to borrow in the coming years to finance the various stimulus programs will lead to a new bout of inflation.

The White House estimates that the government will rack up an unprecedented $1.8 trillion budget deficit this year - more than four times last year's all-time high.

"The bond market is calling the Federal Reserve out," said Mike Larson, a real estate analyst at Weiss Research Inc. in Jupiter, Fla. "Investors are saying that the Fed can't just print money out of thin air to finance a massive deficit."

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke acknowledged Wednesday in congressional testimony that large budget deficits could threaten financial stability by eventually eroding investor confidence and endangering the economy's prospects for long-term health.

"Even as we take steps to address the recession and threats to financial stability, maintaining the confidence of the financial markets requires that we, as a nation, begin planning now for the restoration of fiscal balance," Bernanke told the House Budget Committee.

That kind of talk is meant to calm bond investors' nerves. It also shows the quandary faced by Bernanke and other federal officials. They need to hold down interest rates through massive government spending at the same time they have to deal with worries over how that spending could damage the economy over the long term.

After Fed policymakers this spring said they would buy billions of dollars of government debt and more than $1 trillion of mortgage securities, 30-year fixed mortgage rates fell to 4.78 percent in April, the lowest since Freddie Mac started surveying rates in 1971.

Sales of new and existing homes began to trend higher. Mortgage refinancings also jumped, allowing borrowers to lock in lower rates. Fee income from this activity helped lift profits at many battered banks and gave consumers more disposable income to spend, which helped lift their confidence about the economy's prospects. All that was good for the nation's businesses.

But now, surging mortgage rates are threatening to undermine all that. Seventy percent of refinancing activity could be knocked out as rates close in on 5.5 percent, according to Mark Hanson, a managing director at the independent research firm Field Check Group of Menlo Park, Calif.

That's because homeowners wouldn't get much of a benefit if a refinancing only reduces monthly payments a tiny bit while they are stuck paying closing costs that typically run about 2 percent of the loan amount.

Also, many homeowners who wanted to refinance didn't lock in the super-low rates in April when the refi boom took off. "Half the deals in the pipeline are dead," Hanson said. "People were applying to refinance to improve their situation, but now they are seeing it won't be much improved."

All this means that even though mortgage rates are still low by historical standards, many of the trends that seem to be pointing to economic recovery in recent months could be undone fast.


Rachel Beck is the national business columnist for The Associated Press

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