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April 13, 2009

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rozskat

Drew – It wasn’t a liberal who told a soldier in Kuwait to go into combat with the Army you have, not the Army you want. Gee, I recall it was Rumsfeld. There was Al Franken, John Glenn, and Robin Williams entertaining the troops in the combat zone? They certainly are not conservatives. As far as parents buying armor for the kids in the military serving in Iraq, it is true and I know several who did. To these clowns here, just wave the flag, listen to Limbaugh or Wilbur, play Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA” or a few Toby Keith CDs and you are a real “patriotic” American.

Drew

Well said. I think their idea of "sacrifices" and ours are very different. And while we didn't have money for VA funding or body armor, we still managed to scrounge up a few billion for Halliburton/KBR to make some tidy war profits. Got our money's worth for that, too.

nevets

How is the beach Roz. Find any momentos. While you are there in Saipan check out Suicide Cliff and Banzai Cliff. I heard many Japanese civillians commited suicide at these spots after FDR sent thousands of un-body armored Marines to secure it during WWII. While you're at it. Now imagine ROZ (U2 Drew) if FDR waited for body armor to arrive before he let McArthur put his plan into action.

joanie

Another stupid response. Why do these guys talk to you?

I suppose you should have been armed with muskets when you went to Nam. If you had been, perhaps you wouldn't be making such stupid posts on BW.

nevets

Uh Joanie. I never went to Nam. I've never claimed to have gone to Nam. As I've said many of times here, I served from 1980 to 2003. The Vietnam War ended like 3 years before I enlisted. Now go back to the radio and wait for Randi to come on. Just keep waiting. Someday she'll be there again and you'll be listening and you can then claim you were there when "Randi Came Back"

joanie

You know, ass-backwards, I don't fucking care when you served.

With your IQ, probably a club would have been more appropriate.


Why do you sound like such an old guy? And why do you think I read your posts so carelessly?

nevets

Ahhhh there's the hate coming back. Randi withdrawals?


"And why do you think I read your posts so carelessly?"

Because you are afraid of the truth.

Puget Sound

"Ahhhh there's the hate coming back. Randi withdrawals?


"And why do you think I read your posts so carelessly?"

Because you are afraid of the truth.

Posted by: nevets | April 17, 2009 at 10:47 PM"


because nevets, Delusion is ph(J)oanie's coping mechanism.


Puget Sound

"Strange posts form the same person,
First..
hey, before you give too much credit to our President for the operational success of this understand that it was the men and women of the US Military that made this happen.
Posted by: Puget Sound | April 13, 2009 at 01:52 AM
Then…
did anybody not think that this was a made too order crisis for Pres Obama to look forceful?
Posted by: Puget Sound | April 13, 2009 at 06:36 AM
I wonder what conspiracy explains this illogical thinking. Please explain…
Posted by: M. Steele | April 13, 2009 at 11:30 AM"

noooo, i didn't think it was a prearraigned set up. that kind of randi conspiracy crap isn't what i was getting at. i was making the point that it was a fairly easy decision for Pres Obama too make to use force. no russians or chinese to worry about, etc.

and not so strange to point out that it was the military to make it happen. i spent many years in the army and have a deep appreciation for what they do under very difficult circumstances.

i am a little cautious when people come on to declare other people 'chickenhawks' and then go on to brag about their war service -on a ship- to denigrate others. the military people i meet are reluctant to brag and those that do often just make up crap or were chairborne rangers. so tone it down a bit on the chickenhawk crap, Roz.


KVIFan

Roz is suspect. nevets is getting to joanie, she used the 'f' word. I'm accused of being someone else, Sybil's personalities abound. This blog gets interestinger and interestinger all the time.

Mack

"interesetinger"?? WTF...I guess we misunderestimated you.

joanie

Good one, Mack. Poor KVI. The more he mutters, the more he sounds like duh'f.

Puget Sound

ph(J)oanie, glad to see that Polar Bear didn't get too much out of your backside.
Next time though, take your meds BEFORE you go to the zoo and want to kanoodle with the wildlife.


nevets

Yknow Puts, I could see Joanie doing something like that.

And whats you take on the Navy not releasing any pictures of these Pirates that were killed. Or for that matter the one that was captured.

Coiler

Why don't you tell us, oh wise one of the military. You did spend 23 years there, as you claim and you're asking?

rozskat

Joanie – I read Steven’s response and I would like to know what he is smoking? Is it legal? It is not worth my time to respond.

Puts- who was I denigrating? When was I bragging about serving in a war? Do not add any false assumptions to my resume to reflect items I never brought up or did. You seem to make a habit of that on those who do not agree with you.

Puget Sound

in regards to not releasing the pics of the dead pirates, why give that propaganda pic to the bad guys?

it's the same reason we didn't want to be releasing the pics of our soldier caskets coming home. the anti war people wanted to use it to make hay with it.

oh roz, i can see you're doing a little 'trimming' now. you're pretty quick to throw out the 'chickenhawk' claims toward others. that's a damning charge ---how would you know? you were just throwing it out there.
so i gave a little of it back to you and it didn't taste so good, did it? hmmm, were you not calling those who supported this action chickhawks and by implication posturing yourself as the real patriot?

not to worry, the ph(J)oanie still thinks the world of you.

nevets

Not worth a response?

But you did and that in itself tells me you thought about it. And what you imagined probably is a world way different from what we are living in today with NAZI Germany and Japan the superpowers.

Puget Sound

oh nevets, this way roz can posture. too funny.

poor roz. caught on his own petard.

sparky

Germany is Nazi again? Tell us more, Steven.

Puget Sound

hey nevets, neither of us have much patience for sanctimonious posturing that some on this blog like to engage in. call em on it, and they get all offended.
interesting comment on torture from those that like to posture. for example, christopher buckley has a nice comment on this:

"It is, yes, good that we're not torturing anymore, but let's not get sanctimonious about how awful it was watching 3,000 Americans die at the hands of fanatics who would happily detonate a nuclear bomb.
I’m glad that President Obama is not going to prosecute the CIA interrogators for torture. As national intelligence director Dennis Blair wisely commented in a written statement, “Those methods, read on a bright, sunny, safe day in Aril 2009, appear graphic and disturbing. But we will absolutely defend those who relied on these memos.” The memos, that is, issued by the Justice Department in the days following 9/11, authorizing harsh interrogation techniques.
The operative question becomes: What do we do now with captive bad guys who possess information that could prevent another 9/11? We may have moved on. They, assuredly, have not.
These techniques, we learn, included “Sleep deprivation,” “Nudity,” “Dietary Manipulation,” “Abdominal Slap,” “Attention Grasp,” “Waterboarding,” “Water Dousing,” “Confinement With Insects,” and “Walling.” This last one is when the interrogator “quickly and firmly pushes the individual into the wall…The head and neck are supported with a rolled hood or towel … to help prevent whiplash.”


Puget Sound

sparky-coiler-highlander-pick one to post under- I thought you were recovering from WASLing?

Puget Sound

and before you misread buckley's comment, note that he is saying up front it is good that we are not torturing anymore but that it is a different day in 09 then it is the day after Sept 11, 2001.

nevets

Puts I can see that. Maybe thats its. I was going to say they could be used as a deterrent but with the situation in Somalia nowadays, why not risk your life as a Pirate for some real cash to buy food with instead of waiting for a Government to ration out your share of the food.


And Coiler, I never worked in the PA department, but the Navy I was in would not have hesitated to release photos of operations that went the way they were planned.

nevets

"This last one is when the interrogator “quickly and firmly pushes the individual into the wall…The head and neck are supported with a rolled hood or towel … to help prevent whiplash.”


And that the wall is padded. Tough actions require tough tactics. Puts.

I read a few of the memos. The one I thought was interested is where they say they do these same things to our own troops in SERES training. Are the Libs going to start saying we are torturing our own troops now.

nevets

Sparky, I guess you missed the word "different" in that post Maybe not. So as a teacher, what word should I have used to make my point that the world we live in today would be far different from the world we would be living in now if Germany and Japan won the WAR we call WWII.

joanie

or the south had seceded or the Brits had won the Revolution or Lucy had never evolved.

Tiresome.

Mack

"what we are living in today with NAZI Germany and Japan the superpowers"
Actually, the way you worded it the second time, after you thought about it, was readable. I think that's the key for you, nevets- think next time. Then write. Got it? One more time- THINK. Then TYPE. It's really important that you get them in that order. When you do it in reverse, you look stupid, like Bush.
Hey man, it's ok. It's kind of a thing for the neo-cons that they tend to get that backwards a lot. Try that and see if it doesn't work better for ya.
As for the Navy releasing photos- dumbshit, the Navy doesn't "release" photos. We know, in your little world, the Navy would be in charge of everything. But in the REAL world, they have to answer to higher authorities. Funny.

Mack

I'm still waiting for nevets to evolve...you'd think he'd get tired of having his knuckles dragging the ground all of time every time he walks.

mercifurious

hey, before you give too much credit to our President for the operational success of this understand that it was the men and women of the US Military that made this happen.

Behold, the wingnut military outcome grid:

Military success GOP -> Praise the Prez
Military success Dem -> Praise Military
Military failure GOP -> Blame press(or Congress where applicable)
Military failure Dem -> Blame Prez

sparky

As I have said before, Putsie, your paranoia about who is posting is your problem, not mine. If it makes it easier for you, just assume I am EVERYONE who posts here. I made up all the other names, including yours, so I would have someone to argue with..kind of like hearing voices, ya know? I am KS, Duffman and his most recent sock puppet KVI, GG, Wild Bill, Coiler, Stewie/Highlander, Steven, Upton, Recief, Merci, Geov, and Mack. Hey I am even rozscat, joanie and Freemont and Bla'M himself. And I am you too! If I missed anyone, hey, I Must be them TOO!

Better?

Mack


mercifurious- there's an element of truth to what you say. But nevets has a pretty warped perspective of the military's role in a lot of things. In this case, it isn't like he's picking out which photo to put on his Capital One card (Spaghetti Nevets WINS! hehe).

No, like any other press release, it goes through the Pentagon, and in highly-publicized cases, on to the White House for approval.

I wonder if he realizes that his vision of an autonamous military would be no different than the "governmental structure" curently in place in Iran.


chucks

I for one am more than happy to give Obama credit when he doesn't fuck up. What he did in getting out of the way and letting the Navy do their jobs as they have been trained is a good thing.
By following the Bush doctrine in Iraq, he so far is not fucking up there either. Same with Afghanistan. He does not seem to be fucking that up either.
I wonder what he is going to do about Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, N. Korea etc. Bombing Iran would be a good start.
I just wish we could keep him busy dealing with the shit-weasles in sandals so that he could not find time to keep driving our economy in to the ground.
Can only dream.

Mack

I am just as happy knowing that you are not in the State Department, or in charge of writing U.S. Foreign Policy in the Middle East. Otherwise, your wet dream of endless war might become a reality.

chucks

I for one know you are not me Sparky. You just are not mean enough. You can't be what's her face cause you are not cranky enough. You can't be Freemont because you have never got on me about lousy spelling.
You just argue positions with me.
(thanks, by the way)

sparky

That is why I didn't list you as an alternate personality of mine, chucks. :)

We disagree about everything, don't we!!

Did I tell you about my straw bale garden? You buy cheap straw bales at a feed store and then set them out, water and fertilize them for 2 weeks, then spread a 4" layer of dirt on the top and plant low growing veggies. The hay bales begin to rot and provide the nitrogen fertilizer that plants need and love. Will see how it works...I have to wait a couple more weeks to plant, though, because where I live is still getting frost in the mornings,

bigstick

Big sticks are carried by the native men of Jamica, mon.

joanie

Sparky doesn't argue with you about anything. She keeps you happy.

That's what you like. Remember when you told her you were disappointed in her? That's when she actually said something you didn't agree with. That's why she's talking about veggies right now. You're a veggie.

No, really you're a fool, chucks. And you repeat the same thing the rest of the fools repeat. Except you use crass language to do it. Apparently, Sparky thinks that's fine.

I don't. :)

Puget Sound

Chucks
I was down in your area today for the boat parade.
Very impressive. Ruston is a nice little gem.

wta

Oh Sparky,
Years ago I used straw as a mulch. I found out they left plenty of seeds in those bales. It sprouted and I was forever having to weed more than ever. Hope your bale garden works better than that!

sparky

Me too!! But for one thing, I dont tear them apart like you would for mulch. You keep them bound up in the twine and put stakes around them to hold them together. Also, I am putting them out on the "back 40" where its just field grass anyway, so more weeds are not a problem. But thanks for the warning. I have always wondered if straw would be good for protecting plant roots in the winter. I won't try it in my flower beds!

nevets

"And what you imagined probably is a world way different from..."

Mack, what happened. Couldn't get the mouse to highlight up the whole sentence. Thought no one would see that huh. Typical Lib. Tries to be funny like Sparky, but in the end, looks foolish.


Now what you said about the photos is probably correct. Like I said to Duff, I never worked in the PA department. So let me rephrase that so you might approve.

The Government I served for would not have hesitated to release photos of operations that went the way they were planned. And that includes Presidents Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and both Bushs.

Is that better Mack. an youunderstand that or will you take half of it and try to make a funny of it.


rozskat

Puts- Again you are going on with the high five routine when you do not get a response in hours. As usual, you conjure up a bunch of rubbish about those who do not agree with you. So according to you Joanie thinks the world of me, is that suppose to be an insult?

You and Steven cheerlead and high five each other if it makes both of you sleep better at night.

Mack

You should pay better attention to who you're responding to nevets. But as for your comment that the government you worked for would have done things differently, that is purely a matter of opinion. Back then, if photos were released to the media, it was because they went throught the chain of command, and that is no different today. The Public Affairs Office will never make those decisions on their own, even when you become Imperial Patchmaster of the Innertube Navy.

nevets

"what we are living in today with NAZI Germany and Japan the superpowers"

"Actually, the way you worded it the second time, after you thought about it, was readable. I think that's the key for you..."

Posted by: Mack | April 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM


The above post by you Mack is what I'm responding to. Clearly it has you name as the one who posted it and clearly I have seen no call for you to deny the same.

And I concur Mack. On the PAO thing. Now dont you find it strange that the Canadian Government doesn't mind releasing video of thwarting pirates. Showing video of thier countrymen protecting the high seas from scum. Now why does the Obama Administration feel a need to keep that brave action by the Navy secret when in the past they were so willing. Doesn't make sense.


Canadian ship helps thwart pirate attack

Coiler

Funny nevets. Last week you guys were saying the Navy is independent in their decisions regarding the pirates, now you're claiming they are being controlled by the very administration you claimed shouldn't take any credit.

Mack

nevets forgets that we have one in custody. Do you want to just avoid the due process of law here? If so, why don't you just move to Iran? They've been doing it your way for a few thousand years. This President seems to want to stick closer to the ideals of the Constitution, and you should be supporting that. Afterall, you took an oath to support and defend it, didn't you?

And nevets, the quote you originally used is from YOUR post, not mine. But following your advice, I did get the "Cut 'n' Paste 4000" up and running again, and just in time, too. Seems you left something out of your post, just one of those "incompletes" that your report card has a lot of. For the benefit of the class, here it is:

"Actually, the way you worded it the second time, after you thought about it, was readable. I think that's the key for you, nevets- think next time. Then write. Got it? One more time- THINK. Then TYPE. It's really important that you get them in that order. When you do it in reverse, you look stupid, like Bush.
Hey man, it's ok. It's kind of a thing for the neo-cons that they tend to get that backwards a lot. Try that and see if it doesn't work better for ya."

I decided to apply it here, because not only did you not follow it, you left out the whole quote again, which was what you accused me of doing. We're here to help- thanks for spending your evening at Republican Rehab.

Even Steven

nevets

"And nevets, the quote you originally used is from YOUR post, not mine."

Uh Duhhhh. Its the part you left out Mack. Do we need a kindergarten teacher to come in and spell it out for you. But since you seem to want to just dodge the subject fine. I'll take it as wimpy "SEATTLE" on your part. You seem to learn quick from her.

And this...

"This President seems to want to stick closer to the ideals of the Constitution, and you should be supporting that. Afterall, you took an oath to support and defend it, didn't you?"

I have no problem with anything you say here Mack. Yes I took the oath. The problem is where are the photos/video of the operation. Canada had no problem releasing video of a successful operation to the media. Why does our Administration need to keep it a secret of what really happened. Why do you duck around the question?

And I finally got a glimpse of the one pirate that is alive on "FOX NEWS" this morning. He is in New York. Check out the smile. He looks happy. Maybe he thinks this is this part of President Obamas new immigration policy. Only in America.


nevets

Coiler, huh?

chucks

Great, now the truth comes out about the phoney authorization alledged by Obama.
It was learned this morning that President Obama did not authorize
attacks on the pirates.
He in fact called for a tax on the pirates.
I am glad to be able to clear that misunderstanding up for you guys.

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