take your answer off the air...

  • HorsesAss.Org: the straight poop on WA politics & the press
    progressive brilliance from the guy who pointed out Tim Eyman's nascent horse's-assedness
  • Talker's Magazine
    The quirky talk radio trade mag. Check the Talk Radio Research Project- it's not very scientific, but places on the top 15 talkers list (scroll down to Talk Radio Audiences By Size)) are as hotly contested as Emmys (and mean just about as much).
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  • Media Matters
    Documentation of right-wing media in video, audio and text.
  • Orcinus
    home of David Neiwert, freelance investigative journalist and author who writes extensively about far-right hate groups
  • Hominid Views
    "People, politics, science, and whatnot" Darryl is a statistician who fights imperialism with empiricism, gives good links and wry commentary.
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    An 11 on the Manly Scale of Absolute Gender, a 12 on the Heavenly Scale of the 10 Commandments and a 6 on the earthly scale of the Immaculately Groomed.
  • Howie in Seattle
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  • Streaming Radio Guide
    Hellishly long (5795!) list of radio streaming, steaming on the Internets.
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  • Irrational Public Radio
    "informs, challenges, soothes and/or berates, and does so with a pleasing vocal cadence and unmatched enunciation. When you listen to IPR, integrity washes over you like lava, with the pleasing familiarity of a medium-roast coffee and a sensible muffin."
  • The Maddow Blog
    Here's the hyper-interactive La Raych of MSNBC. daily show-vids, freakishly geeky research, and classy graphics.
  • Northwest Broadcasters
    The AM, FM, TV and digital broadcasters of Northwest Washington, USA and Southwest British Columbia, Canada. From Kelso, WA to the northern tip of Vancouver Island, BC - call letters, formats, slogans, networks, technical data, and transmitter maps. Plus "recent" news.
  • News Corpse
    The Internet's chronicle of media decay.
  • The Moderate Voice
    The voice of reason in the age of Obama, and the politics of the far-middle.
  • News Hounds
    Dogged dogging of Fox News by a team who seems to watch every minute of the cable channel so you don't have to.
  • HistoryLink
    Fun to read and free encyclopedia of Washington State history. Founded by the late Walt Crowley, it's an indispensable tool and entertainment source for history wonks and surfers alike.

right-wing blogs we like

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February 02, 2008

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Bill's Dad

That's the sound of NPR. Fuck KIRO and all these other AM stations.

wutitiz

It's TBTL, a talk radio experiment, and experimentation is the wave of the future.

Current talk radio is broken, and can't be fixed, because the underlying politics is broken.

Liberal Democrats can no longer justify million dollar expenditures on Seatac artwork that is hidden behind security fences, and enjoyed only with binocular-equipped airport workers. They're laughed off the air. Conservative Republicans are full of talk, but they work the same game when they take over.

Political talkers start to sound like drug addicts stringing together rationalizations while refusing to face the need to "just say no." The result is a tiresome dissonance that no sane human will long tolerate if there is a choice.

I don't know if TBTL will live, but something will.

Duffman

Well said wutitiz. I don't know if TBTL will succeed either but I'm still listening and I'm convinced that Luke Burbank is a talent. Format is still obviously being developed. Wonder how the pizza party went the other nite and how many showed...I didn't listen that nite. :)

News Junkie

Duffman, that's what podcasts are for. Mr. Burbank himself even emphasized, "Hey, get our show the next day! You get about 90 minutes of good radio with NO COMMERCIALS." So much for keeping the audience and medium viable...

DT

I like TBTL because it's not formulaic. And I like Luke's dry wit and style. He reminds me of David Duchovny.

Seattlenerd

I thought Luke did a creditable job as a substitute host on NPR's Wait Wait, especially for the several weeks in 2007 that he sat in as the regular host worked on a book. Not as good as the regular host (he seemed stiff when it came to some of the scripted jokes), but good. I'll have to tune in on the rare instances I'm actually here and not traveling. If I added to my podcasts, it becomes a time choice between Wait Wait or TBTL.

joanie

Well, tapioca pudding on KIRO to match the tapioca pudding above.

Do any of you have anything interesting to say? Anything at all?

radio is broken...liberals bla bla bla...wonder how pizza party went...TBTL may not live but something will - DUH!

Poor Michael!

joanie

My first introduction to TBTL: Luke opens with his upper-chest rash and the news that his girlfriend has cranberry juice as the only non-water beverage.

Wonder which of them has the yeast infection?

And now we're treated to a new(?) song by New Kids on the Block?

Well, time to podcast Dave.

DT

I like Dave Ross, but Dave is safe and predictable. He's old school talk radio. Open up the paper, see what the top three stories on page one are, then build your show about that. He has a death grip on that formula, but I guess it works for him.

And people, save me your examples of when he doesn't do that. I know that debate trick. An exception does not a rule make.

joanie

WTF? DT, you've so easily influenced the other dullheads here.

Build your show on the top three stories? Why not?

You're an idiot. Isn't that what people are talking about? What would you talk about? Something nobody cares about?

Well, that's how you think...blog...and apparently like to listen.

No wonder you have nothing to say.

I'll see if I can find some equally-idiot talk show host who also doesn't know what's happening in the world and you two can talk to your heart's content about nothing.

But, hey, different strokes for different IQs.

PugetSound

hey joanie
you keep woofing about how smart you are, why don't you impress the folks here and give a demonstration.
some of the folk here are newbies, they haven't seen you in action. all they see is the namecalling.
go ahead joanie, impress. the board is all yours.
we'll wait.

PugetSound

whooops, please replace the word 'woofing' with 'braying'

Andrew

It's not the three story part that's predictable, it's the safe, obvious, non controversial attitude he will predictably have. He calls himself the "crusader for common sense", isn't that like saying "the crusader of the obvious"? I only ever listen to him because he seems like a nice guy, but lately I've replaced him with podcasts of other shows.

Tommy008

Whenever Dave has a local guest or caller on, he always sounds like it's a given that he's of course brighter than the other person. It's offensive and annoying. And he wonders why people cancel or refuse to go with him. Dave Ross has had his time here. It's the poophead segment of Seattle boomers that are propping up his ratings

binky

what's that sound? It ain't Goldy on KIRO...

Gay Gary

He has a beautiful voice. It entrances me. I will not turn the dial once I hear Dave's dolcet tones, regardless of the fact they carry nary a thought of originality.

I suspect I am not the only one.

Andrew

Well Dave does that syndicated daily opinion piece; just like a paper columnist you have to have some ego to be so certain that you'll have some opinion worthy of being heard by many thousands of people on a daily basis, and we all forgive that somehow, so we shouldn't surprised when it manififests itself during interviews and call-ins.

joanie

Is anybody good enough for you guys? Who do you like?

Tommy008

dozed off in the early evening....another weird dream... will have to lay off the Three Peckered Goat Brand Coffee that I get at Whole Foods... this time huge cardboard lifesize grinning Dori Monson photos were standing in every aisle of my local QFC advertising his show... in reference to the dumbing down of America...... I just saw another lovely, deserving person blow a six figure cash prize on Deal or No Deal and walk away with peanuts....in this case it was an Army wife who had run her bank offer up to nearly 200 Grand... her Army Sargeant husband wisely told her to take the cashola and run since the bank offer wasn't going to get much higher and the odds of her lucky streak running out were high....but NO! the mindless, greedy Go For It! culture got the best of her and she rolled the dice one more time only to see the remaining million dollar cases be taken out and the bank offer plummet to an eventual 35,000, which she finaly took... so many people don't seen to have any concept of basic laws of probability and luck anymore, or a appreciation of the fact that 200,000 can always be invested to make 500,000 or a million down the line, in hte not too distant future.... studies have shown that in America your happiness level rises dramatically as you rise from poverty up to the point where you are rich enough to enjoy an interest income of 40 or 45 thousand, but above that level you're happiness level doesn't really rise all that much...

Tommy008

Phil Hendrie is God!

Tommy008

by rights, it should be a criminal offense for any citizen to be as funny as Phil Hendrie is . It's downright preternatural.

Andrew

I have nothing but good things to say about Luke Burbank, Bill Handel, Ross Reynolds, Diane Rehm, Art Bell, Michael Medved, the Car Talk guys to name a few, and I liked Jerry Springer's short lived show.

Gay Gary

(1) I want to hear more of Tommy's dreams about Dori.

(2) I hate the new KIRO website EXCEPT I love the Newsroom and PD blogs (well, in the case of the latter the concept/idea of one, it only has on entry). What a clever/wonderful idea. LOVE IT! (or as Encino would say "Awesome")

(3) Mormon bias is selecting stories for mynorthwest.com shows through. As of the hour I write this, neither cnn.com, msnbc.com nor foxnews.com has the Gordon Hinckley funeral on its front page. However, mynorthwest.com has it as the secondary main story (right below "in the spotlight"). (or as Encino would say "Not Awesome")

Tommy008

ugh! blecch! yukk!HATE!HATE! HATE! Mercer Island hatemonger and all-around creep Rabbi Daniel Lapin crawled out from under his rock and showed up on Bernie's Godtalk on KGO this morning. luckily i dozed off before he could speak vey much. hate!

Nevets

Sympathy For The Blather

Yow! Yow! Yow!

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a blog of many names and faces
I've been around for a couple years
I listen, so you don't have to

And I was round when Michael Webb
Had his accident, day in court
Made damn sure that the Paladin
Got his picture, kept his cool

Pleased to meet you
Hope you visit my site
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my fight

Stuck around the AM dial
Heard limbaugh claim they were for his pain
Trashed O'Reilly and his minnions
Ann shrieked insane
I blocked a train
In Code Pinks ranks
As the Grannies raged
And the protesters sang

Pleased to meet you
Hope you visit my site
What's puzzling you
Is the nature of my fight

I cheered with glee
As she became queen
Fought for ten weeks
To take the Govenors seat

I shouted out who knocked down the towers
When after all it was BusH and Cheney

Let me please introduce myself
I'm a blog of many names and faces

I watched Ross lose to Reichart
Before that Dori Monson jumped to number one

Pleased to meet you
Hope you visit my site
But what's puzzling you
Is the venom in my bite

oh yeah, get down, seeya Styble

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my site
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my fight

Here every Neo-con is a criminal
and all liberals are the same

As I end this tale
Just call me Blatherwatch
Cause I'm in need of some response
So if you Read me, have an open mind
Know your facts, know the truth
Because all that you see here
Are words twisted for the ruse

Pleased to meet you
Hope you vist my site
But what's puzzling you
Is the venom in my bite, um, seeya Jeffers

Oh yeah, goodbye Sheirs
Oh yeah
Oh yeah! Tell me Suits, what's my site
Read me Kirby, Johnny guess my site
Read me Schram, what's my site
Just read me one time, I think you'll stay

Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who

Oh, yeah What's my site
Read me Dori, what's my site
Read me Rum and Dum, what's my site

Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah

blathering michael

I am so flattered, Nevets. Is there a tune for these lyrics? The last person who wrote me a song was my first wife. She's still in prison... I'm just sayin...'

PugetSound

nevets
that was pretty good.
but like blam says, you gotta give us the melody.
is it Sympathy for the Devil?
if you can, work in a chorus for Darcy and Ned Lamont.

wutitiz

just like downtown, love it nevets.

YellowPup

I listened to about 5 minutes of the latest Too Beautiful (TBTL, as LB dubs it) podcast and found myself involuntarily killing WMP and dumping the files into the RB.

The last two minutes were utter torture, but I was trying with all my might to give it a chance. After burning out, I even skipped ahead in the podcast to a few other randomly selected spots to see if it got any better, but found more of the same.

If this is the new generation of news and info radio (along with Faith Salie and the rest on public radio), then I'll be doing a lot of reading in the future.

Loozertarian

To say that I second Tommy's sentiments regarding Phil Hendrie is a profound understatement. Phil is maybe a few years past his prime, but he can still kill me. Anybody who can listen to a half hour of the legendary Steve Bosell without peeing his/her pants (which, coincidentally, Steve has been known to do in trying situations from time to time) has neither a funnybone nor a bladder.

Duffman

Yes indeed nevets, good stuff! You might even get kudos from the merci/joanie/fremont crowd for that. Naaaah! :)

wutitiz

There are lots of complaints about TBTL, many justified, but the point is that it's a new direction. Pioneers and arrows go together. People say they want 'fragmentation,' but when it doesn't crumble THEIR way, they whine.
Maybe TBTL isn't your cup of tea, but it might set the stage for something that is.

joanie

TBTL will set the stage?

WTF does that mean?

wutitiz

I'll give an example. Nobody likes the old style of hate-speech and negative name-calling that has struck rock-bottom w/ people like Savage and Malloy.

By stepping away from politics, TBTL has a chance to regain the capacity of talk radio to entertain without all the sneering and jeering.

joanie

Oh, Savage's numbers are down, are they?

Impossible to talk about something interesting and political without sneering and jeering is it?

Rashes and Kids on the Block are your cup of tea?

Well, I guess we can thank you for another Bush in the big house when it happens. You'd rather be entertained...with rashes, drinking jokes and stupid music.

Got it, whats up. But I already knew that. Your choice of entertainment is as boring as your posts.


You know, for people like you, there's always daytime public TV.

joanie

BTW, if you don't like Malloy or Savage, why don't you try Ross, Elliot, Press, anything on KOMO, KUOW, or KIXI.

Really a dearth of non-jeering sneering programming out there, isn't there, what's up?

All you have to do is turn the dial.

You're an idiot. Watch out: those Horsesass guys are comin' to get you!

YellowPup

I'm all for the new and for experimentation, and my hat's off (in this instance only) to KIRO just for taking a risk.

I'm all for shows like Radiolab and This American Life (though a venerable institution at this point), the latter of which offers consistently some of the most engaging radio out there that's not really news or talk.

But TBTL, Fair Game, and The Bryant Park Project is just impossible listening for me, post-post-modern takes on uninteresting stuff. Maybe I shouldn't complain because I just can't listen long enough to assemble a fair comment.

Good luck with it, KIRO. I'll try TBTL again when I've finished the last of the Russian novels and Ibsen plays on that reading list I keep meaning to get around to.

wutitiz

OK, you're right joanie, what was I thinking? I don't have to listen to sneering and jeering--there are plenty of venues without it.

Joanie, you are smarter than all the internets. Mind if I refer to you as "WWW?"

joanie

You can refer to me by any name you wish, what's up. After all, a rose by any other name...

However, if I am the smartest person you know, what does that say about you?


Oh, and how many internets are there?

sparky

Recently, Yahoo added "OMG!!!" to their webpage. It is for the same audience as TBTL. A sample topic:
" What does sexy mean to the Stars???"

YellowPup, you will be smarter for staying away from it. Did you hear "This American Life" yesterday? The segment about whether or not girls are smart is very appropriate. When given the opportunity to have smart young women and intelligent questions, the culture of TV won out in the producers' minds, and the girls acted like bimbos and the questions were along the lines of "who can get an autograph of the Cutest Guy in the audience in the shortest amount of time?"
I guess that appeals to someone.

PugetSound

tbtl is a seinfeld style radio show.
as you'll recall, seinfeld was a show about nothing.
but that was a 30 minute sitcom.
good luck filling hours and hours of programing a week with that stuff.

Nevets

Sorry everyone, but yes it is to the tune of "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Rolling Stones. Glad you all enjoyed it.

DT

You can't argue with Joanie about TBTL. I remember she once said on this blog that "It is the role of a talk radio shows to give commentary to news stories of the day." I disagree with Joanie on that. I think talk radio can be many things. It can be informative, entertaining, educational, etc. It doesn't just have to be the host going over the news of the day, like Joanie insists it must do.

alkipug

I listened to TBTL one night last week. It made me sorry to be part of the human race.

wutitiz

Sure DT, that's exactly what I had in mind. For example 'Handle on the Law' is awesome radio(the few times I've heard it). Some of the car-repair shows are good. I used to love Bruce Williams..don't know if he's still on. He was flat good at talk radio, and he rarely mentioned politics.

Loozertarian

The only service commercial talk radio is required to perform is to attract listeners. (That's a terribly banal statement, I know, but it's the bottom line.) If every radio host and PD in America were grimly determined to give us nothing but news analysis and community bulletin-board crap, what a wretched place the airwaves would soon be.

And if there is no place in a respectable station's daily lineup for a deliberately silly show, then those of us who fight every day to maintain our sanity in an increasingly psychotic world are in deep trouble.

That having been said, TBTL, while well-intentioned, is sort of hard on the ears so far. (And Ron & Don continue to be as worthy of fifteen broadcast hours a week as a bag of cat puke.)

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