take your answer off the air...

  • HorsesAss.Org: the straight poop on WA politics & the press
    progressive brilliance from the guy who pointed out Tim Eyman's nascent horse's-assedness
  • Talker's Magazine
    The quirky talk radio trade mag. Check the Talk Radio Research Project- it's not very scientific, but places on the top 15 talkers list (scroll down to Talk Radio Audiences By Size)) are as hotly contested as Emmys (and mean just about as much).
  • The Advocate
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  • Media Matters
    Documentation of right-wing media in video, audio and text.
  • Orcinus
    home of David Neiwert, freelance investigative journalist and author who writes extensively about far-right hate groups
  • Hominid Views
    "People, politics, science, and whatnot" Darryl is a statistician who fights imperialism with empiricism, gives good links and wry commentary.
  • Jesus' General
    An 11 on the Manly Scale of Absolute Gender, a 12 on the Heavenly Scale of the 10 Commandments and a 6 on the earthly scale of the Immaculately Groomed.
  • Howie in Seattle
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  • Streaming Radio Guide
    Hellishly long (5795!) list of radio streaming, steaming on the Internets.
  • The Naked Loon
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  • Irrational Public Radio
    "informs, challenges, soothes and/or berates, and does so with a pleasing vocal cadence and unmatched enunciation. When you listen to IPR, integrity washes over you like lava, with the pleasing familiarity of a medium-roast coffee and a sensible muffin."
  • The Maddow Blog
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  • Northwest Broadcasters
    The AM, FM, TV and digital broadcasters of Northwest Washington, USA and Southwest British Columbia, Canada. From Kelso, WA to the northern tip of Vancouver Island, BC - call letters, formats, slogans, networks, technical data, and transmitter maps. Plus "recent" news.
  • News Corpse
    The Internet's chronicle of media decay.
  • The Moderate Voice
    The voice of reason in the age of Obama, and the politics of the far-middle.
  • News Hounds
    Dogged dogging of Fox News by a team who seems to watch every minute of the cable channel so you don't have to.
  • HistoryLink
    Fun to read and free encyclopedia of Washington State history. Founded by the late Walt Crowley, it's an indispensable tool and entertainment source for history wonks and surfers alike.

right-wing blogs we like

  • The Reagan Wing
    Hearin lies the real heart of Washington State Republicans. Doug Parris runs this red-meat social conservative group site which bars no holds when it comes to saying who they are and who they're not; what they believe and what they don't; who their friends are and where the rest of the Republicans can go. Well-written, and flaming.
  • Orbusmax
    inexhaustible Drudgery of NW conservative news
  • The Radio Equalizer
    prolific former Seattle KVI, KIRO talk host speaks authoritatively about radio.
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January 30, 2008



BM has the radio blog. And while he himself may not know what shows or hosts cost, he must have contacts that know.

I would like to know what the average "live and local" host gets paid, vs. what the station pays for a syndicated show. For example, do they pay Goldstein $100 an hour, but only have to pay $50 an hour for a syndicated show? And then with a syndicated show, can they charge more for ads? And isn't it true that with a live guy, they have to also pay a producer, but with a syndicated show, they don't? And I would imagine with a syndicated show, economies of scale is at play. I'm sure if the corporate office has more of its stations going with syndicated shows, they can get the cost per show down. Can also probably get better deals with ads. I would be interested to know if other Bonneville stations also have been switching from live and local on the weekends, to syndicated. That would explain a lot.

Can anyone in the business explain how all this works?


I'm sorry, but the phrase "Best of TBTL" made me chuckle a little.


Yeah sparks, how would you like the job of deciding the 'best of' for the week-end.

Gay Gary

Commercial stock on Mike Siegel's local show goes for $30 for a 60-second spot.

If you go to KRKO in Everett you can rent studio space for $60 for 30 minutes.

So, for just $90 plus Metro fare to Everett, I once bought a commercial during Mike Siegel's show that was just me wishing my boyfriend good luck on his biology test the next day. It was hella fun.

Unfortunately, I doubt he ever heard it.


DT, you're barking up the wrong tree. Forget economics, and focus on the mystery guy with the agenda pulling the strings.


DT: It's only the most in-demand syndicated show that costs a station anything (and perhaps not even those, these days). These are typically straight barter deals -- the show is free to the station if it gives up a certain number of minutes per hour in commercial inventory. And if KIRO were ever to go down the path some stations take, it could get paid (not pay) to run some shows, with the show's producer owning all the spot inventory to re-sell to pay for the carriage fee. I don't know if KIRO does that on any programming, but several other Seattle-area stations certainly do, including with local programming.


It's T008's agent agreeing to a deal with Dori to have T008 write and publich Dori's memoirs.
Nailed it! :)


Isn't "Goldy" a girl's name too (or, at least a Dog's name)

Gay Gary

"Forget economics, and focus on the mystery guy with the agenda pulling the strings."

Guy? I think it's "Sister Cath" one of the times Dori went one-on-one with the nuns.


Interesting, Duffman. But a piece of the puzzle is still missing--why does Dori look drugged?


T008--Sister Cath is your agent??


It's actually a look of ecstasy (not drugged), as his dog Star is below 'workin out' on Dori's leg. :) Puzzle solved!!!


Seattlenerd, then what is your opinion of KIRO's firings? What do you think the reasons are? Is it just a matter of them trying to cut costs?


Duffman, you're a genius. Looking at the pic, I can totally see that. You're right, problem solved.

Gay Gary

They should have Sister Cath do a show like KFI has --- it's called "The Jesus Christ Show". They have the weekend engineer come on and impersonate Jesus Christ for 3 hours. He's a divinity school dropout and answers callers questions about the Bible in the role of Jesus Christ. It's all quite seriuos but is worth a chuckle when they have to go to break.

"I am your Lord Savior and you are listening to KFI 640AM. I died on the cross for your sins. Now let's check the traffic."


Is anyone following the story of the Seattle gang member who apparently went on a grudge-settling shooting spree yesterday and ended up shooting the Ethiopian immigrant owner at the CENTRAL AREA restaurant where the gangster tried to sell drugs and was stood up to by the owner? The immigrant had recently bought a house and had sent for his bride or fiance from Ethiopia to join him in June. This is pure American tragedy, doesn't get much worse. One man's American Dream being violently defeated by the dark underbelly of urban America. There seems to be some hostility and friction between American urban blacks and immigrant blacks from Africa.The former partner of the owner was killed in 2003 shortly after driving away from the restaurant, and his killing has never been solved. I wonder if the police believe this same gangster was behind the first killing?


Something tells me he probably believes it's offensive and insensitive to imitate Muhammad, but not Jesus. (I also bet he would be scared to death to imitate him).


GG, are you serious dude? You meaan like KFI is like Heaven and Bryan Suits (formerly of KVI fame) is like in Heaven broadcasting with Him?


DT: By my math, they just cut 15 hours of locally hosted shows over two weekend days, and replaced them largely with repeats and syndicated fare. Looks financial to me, unless there's another shoe to drop.


actually Gary, you've stumbled on another of what I call 'indicators' regarding Dori. Any investigator will tell you that you look for things that are 'out of place.'

Dori is Catholic, and supposedly of Scandinavian heritage, but Scandis are overwhelmingly Protestant. Add to that his supposed Ballard upbringing/East Coast accent (listen to him say 'borrow' or 'sorry'), his Mediteranian features, and you've got a bundle full of "what's wrong with this picture."


Dori is an idiot.
This is the guy who was a cheerleader for the Iraq war and for Tim Eyman.

He doesn't like taxes - but supports the schools - what a hypocrite.

Goldy runs circles around him (and so does Dave Ross).

Firing goldy and keeping Dori Monson is like getting rid of tom Brady and keeping...well not keeping anyone on the Patriots - because they all contribute more than Monson.


T008--both owners killed? That is awful. My next door neighbor is from Ethiopa. As a runner, I have admiration for them--the current marathon world-record holder is from there, not Kenya.

Wasn't Mayor Nickels all over the news just recently bragging about how safe Seattle has become under his watch?


With all due respect to hizzoner - the only thing he seems to be 'all over' is whatever he happens to be eating at the time.


Yeah Duffman, that and keeping us safe from strippers.


Shooting related deaths are down siginificantly. It's so like "wutitiz" and his type to challenge hard facts with anecdotes.


Andrew, you have a point to some extent, but the restaurant murder (and the Cap Hill stabbing) are 'hard facts.'

I do not think Mayor Nickels needs to be bragging about how safe it is when there are arguably preventable situations like this, and when he puts so much police resources into things like strip club busts.

Also I found it laughable that he asked for new gun control laws in his statement. The cities with the highest murder rates all have very strict gun control.


Blaming the mayor for that murder is rediculous, and the idea that a pro gun rights republican mayor might have done more is beyond laughable, that's piss your pants funny.


I didn't 'blame' the mayor for the murder, nor did I state that a pro-gun R mayor would have prevented it.

Andrew, if I posted like you here's how my post would go:

"Saying that strip club busts are more important than violent crime is crap-yer-shorts funny. Its so typical of Andrew n his types."

See how dumb that is, Andrew?

KFI Bryan

Duffman and GG: KFI, as it turns out, IS the closest thing to heaven in radio.
1.2 million listeners per DAY.
Plus the 1919 White Sox appear without warning and have batting practice.
It's a different world in LA radio.


Jay... "Goldie" is a girl's name. "Goldy" with a "y" is the masculine spelling. As for "Dori" with an "i", I'm not sure. Does Dori dot his "i" with a heart?

And folks, I'm no expert either when it comes to the business of radio, but I think it is a mistake to connect "budget" with "revenues." Rod is given so much budget to run his station, and he invests where he see fits. It looks to me that he has prioritized TBTL and the new website over live, local talk late night and weekends. The fact that in the short term, that might reduce revenues in excess of the dollars saved, doesn't change the fact that Rod has managed to balance his budget. Long term, perhaps TBTL and the website pay off, and this turns out to be a smart move. Or... maybe Salt Lake might have given him more budget so that KIRO could invest in the future and remain live and local.

All I know is that when critics point to my cancellation and say "see... liberal talk doesn't work.. the market won't support it," I know that I have proven otherwise. My show was turning was profit.

And by the way, none of us had producers, so the only salary they saved was our own.


Yo Bryan..sounds like things might be going well for you. I'm glad. Pulling up roots from Monroe or staying status quo for the 6-months that our own T008 gave you?...just in case.
Any comment on the KIRO action?
Take care...I'll try to tune in...but you know you ARE COMPETING with TBTL! :)


Bryan Suits will be ***slaughtered*** in L.A. A lot of baggage in his closet and not too much talent.


"Plus the 1919 White Sox appear without warning and have batting practice."--Bryan Suits.

Could someone please explain that reference? No? Obviously, it's a coded message.

Either he is ordering a "hit," or sending along an explanation regarding hit(s) that have been done.

PugetSound? Nevets? Duffman? Explanations?


Bryan Suits compared to the current lineup on KIRO has real talent, but he is too conservative to be stomached in liberal monolith that tries to imitate San Francisco AKA Seattle. Seattle's loss...

More power to you in LA. I listened to you a few times on streaming and you sounded more interesting than TBTL or Goldy - in your own style.

Nice conspiracy theory that Dori Monson led to the firings of two of the three deposed talk show hosts. He may have an influence around the station, but why did his buddy, Tony Ventralla get axed ? I know that it has been mentioned earlier. Seems like more of a case of second-rate hiring and firing practices by KIRO Radio Management.


Field of Dreams?


Hey Dori, it's all about you practically all of the time here, don't you just love it. No one listens to you...yet they know all about you to the nth degree. LOL!

Gay Gary

I disagree. Whether or not Brian is too conservative or too liberal, he has an irreverent style that fits in well at KFI. You should listen to him, he has a somewhat different beat and timbre than at KVI (a Salem Communications station that slid through a dimensional rift and landed at Fischer Plaza). Brian is not some one-trick pony.

Plus I love their faux political ad promos comparing how fresh Brian is to how John & Ken are like old milk you can cut with a knife. These are like the only radio promos I've actually LOL'ed during. KFI has clever promos and such, here in the frozen frontier we're stuck with inane stock imaging that's probably being aired in Milwaukee, El Paso and Albany at the same time.

My only complaint is that Brian didn't treat George Noory deferentially enough during last night's tease for Coast to Coast AM. Ziegler at least used to feign interest in news about how Alan Greenspan was a 7' tall lizardman or Major Ed Dames had just captured the Easter Bunny. Don't F with Lisa Lyon. You F with her and you'll soon find yourself at a CIA lockup in New Mexico being cross-bred with the greys ... or with a one-hour local show on KITZ-AM Olympia.

What I do not miss is the constant footsy with Leah Brandon, so thank you Brian for that.

For now Brian is my preferred evening repast over TBTL.


KIRO has become a pathetic excuse for a radio station, it's too bad about Goldy and Jeffers.

I'll continue to listen to Dave Ross. Otherwise, as soon as the sun goes down, it's goodbye KIRO hello KGO.


With a 4.1 share and 4th place standing in the #14 Sea-Tac market their (KIRO's) 'Fall '07 wasn't too bad. It will be interesting to see Winter book; anyone know when that w/be available?

Gay Gary

What about website traffic since that's the new buzzword?

The #2 AM station in DMA 14 - Seattle - is pulling more visitors than either the #1 AM station or the #1 AM News station in DMA 2 - LA.



Will Pizza Beget Listeners?

Fresh approach...right demographics..Hmmmm, might it be that easy?


I hate to say it but the reson that all the lying liberal lyars got got fired is because mainstreem america is sick and tired of there lying filth. Dori doesnt deserve to get fired because he is the only one who TELLS THE TRUTH! Your all going to see how much mainstreem america hates lyars when we tell Billary Clinton TO BEAT THE ROAD!


Rachel, learn to spell. Also grammar, punctuation, and syntax.


>>why did his buddy, Tony Ventralla get axed ?<<

The real question is, why didn't KIRO fire him sooner? It became obvious, quickly, that he has zero talent as a talk-show host.


"beat the road"?


Rachel, does your husband know your not wearing your muzzle?

KFI Bryan

I have stepped up my game. It's nice to get expert guidance.


Rachel, now that you're in LA, what are your connecs. with LAPD. Did you know that LAPD has long had a unit that does nothing but spy on celebs & build files on them.

With their files, they are invariably one phone call away from having the upper hand, no matter what stickey wicket arises.

KFI Bryan

Uhhh.... My wife doesn't read blogs.
Also, what dirt would LAPD ...POSSIBLY? ....have, that would would embarass a celebrity in 2008???
I wish they could blackmail Britney into sending an assistant to Jerry's Famous Deli or Petco on Laurel Canyon.


This is precisely why people like Dr. Laura (LA based) and Billo are trying to turn back the cultural clock.

This is an effort coordinated with the FBI (Billo) and LAPD (Dr. Laura) to make the files once again the devastating weapon they once were.

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