O'Reilly claims big victory in the war on Xmas

Victory is at hand.

And we can thank pro-Xmas warrior Bill Reilly for a stunning turnabout from what seemed a dismal uptick in heretical violence, and the near extinction of Christmas in America.

"You're either with Christmas, or you're with the terrorists, Said O'Reilly.

O'Reilly promoted a surge that put 25,000 Baptists, Catholics, and Pentecostals armed with Bibles and baseball bats in public squares, malls, and supermarket parking lots across the nation to counter a "Crush a Crèche," insurgency by hardened atheist forces.

The Big Fat Head congratulated himself, Tuesday, telling a guest, "If I hadn't done the campaign against it, the Forces of Darkness would have won."

Since 2004, Reilly has waged against the dark forces of the "secular progressive agenda ... to get Christianity and spirituality and Judaism out of the public square." Adding: "[I]f you look at what happened in Western Europe and Canada- if you can get religion out- then you can pass secular progressive programs like legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage, because the objection to those things is religious-based, usually."

The victory is also a result of last year's spotlighting of retailers who  "... have knocked the word 'Christmas' out of the Christmas season. We're not too interested with the word 'merry.' Don't really care about 'merry.'"

Xmas had nearly been snuffed out by the radical secular progressives- there were almost no signs left of it in 2006 when O'Reilly and fellow Fox News stars, John Gibson and Sean Hannity began the surge.

Secular progressives pretended the war never existed. "Seems like the Xmas season gets more goddamned obnoxious every year," said Edgar "Choch" Mañana, a Mexican who licked toilet bowls in the O'Reilly mansion... until he was deported after the broadcaster reported him to Homeland Security.

There have been some minor skirmishes this year- harkening unto the Don Imus, an Australian Santa was directed out of respect for women to say "ha, ha, ha instead of "ho, ho, ho"; a Fort Collins City Council considered a plan to drop publicly-funded displays of traditional Christmas decorations, but last week voted to continue using traditional decorations.

Riding triumphantly high on his victory, O'Reilly said, "The folks said no. ...It's a great victory."

Comments

[sparky]

I wonder if Mr. Morality is getting Andrea Makris something for Christmans?

[DT]

There's not a war against Christmas or even the word Christmas? That's good. But someone should tell that to the Kiwanis Club. I saw a banner adversising one of their Christmas tree lots, except they are calling it a "holiday tree lot" for some reason. Nowhere on the banner was the word Christmas. I know they used to call them Christmas tree lots. It's almost like they've been brainwashed into believing it's offensive to use the word, even to sell Christmas trees.

[cowpotpi3]

DT your example is way off base. The Kiwanis are a private organization and can do whatever their membership wants to do. Surely you can see how this example falls flat on its face.

You know this so-called war on Christmas is hilarious. It pretty much shows that conservatives have little to provide the country with save disdain for anyone different than themselves. Idiots like O'Reilly are actually trying to convince themselves that this is somehow a Christian-only country and that is obviously ridiculous.

Furthermore, the purveyors of the 'War on Christmas' do so for what reason? Clearly it and those caught up in it are being used for a purely political reason...hate the lefties and hate diversity of any kind. Its all part of the need for authoritarianism to get the people in line. And they use Christianity to do it. Tell me my fine, ardent religious righties: Did Jesus teach us to love our fellow man? Did He teach us to love one another and understand differences? Bummer that none of you guys apparently listened in Sunday School.

[sparky]

Jeez, cowpotpi3, you have been reading that frisky New Testament again! Don't you know you are supposed to focus on the parts of the Old Testament that tell you how awful people are? That peace, understanding, patience, humility, love, unselfishness stuff is for sissies.

[cowpotpi3]

You know what the real bitch of it all is, Sparky? I was raised a Catholic and still go to Mass regularly. I can just hear the righty poster heads exploding now...

One lesson I always recall learning is that you don't do something because you are 'supposed to do it': You do something because it is right.

[Brian]

Yes, war on Christmas, please.

You can see here that the Christmas spirit is alive and well at Seatac airport:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/nwheadlines/2007/10/its_beginning_to_look_a_lot_li.html

Its just, um, well their trees are supposed to represent Christmas trees after the apocalypse which we all know is very popular with those freaky Christians.

[Brian]

Bummer the link didn't work, but the Seatac trees are a total crack-up! They spent a lot of energy making sure they didn't look like Christmas trees, er, holiday trees.

[sue-b]

that's a war??? or is it just talk radio producer soup?

[cowpotpi3]

Yeah because everyone knows that Jesus taught that if you don't put up a pagan symbol you aren't a real Christian, right?

This isn't really even about Christmas and you righties know it. Its about your dislike for diverse religious celebrations and disdain for anything you think of as PC.

So much energy is channeled by political hate that would be better spent in other areas. Then again that's what I think Jesus would do, but this really isn't about Him anymore!

[chucks]

So, this is a left vs right issue? Is it assumed that the only ones offended are folks on the right? So if I go to church sometime in the near future, will I only see Republican bumper stickers? Is there a chance that there might be some Democrat bumper stickers?
Are there any Christian Democrats? Is there a chance that some of them (Democrat Christians) might be a little offended by businesses who exploit their Christian holiday and traditions for profit, but sweep the "reason for the season" under the rug?
Just curious, and you guys are the experts on all things progressive vs evil.

[cowpotpi3]

Chucks you have this all backward. Who invented this whole issue of "War on Christmas?" It wasn't the left, that's for sure. Its people on the right like O'Reilly that are saying the left are the "forces of darkness." It is the right vilifying the left as evil, not the other way around.

And there are plenty of Christians who are Democrats. For you to make such a statement is just wrong. I can tell you that nobody at my church is all bent around the axle about a "War on Christmas." Its just a really low priority to most people other than a rabid few on the right I think.

[abob]

"I'm just trying to protect the baby Jesus" -Billo Reilly

[abob]

Billo believes in the spirit of Christmas gift giving. I heard he bought Andrea Mackris a falafel and a loofah.

[Nevets]

Cap, you found religion again I see while in the pen. How many hail marys did you have to say for your little mistake.

[chucks]

What did I state beyond you being the experts. Mine really where just questions.
But I will not buy into the issue being right only concern. Of coarse I recognize that it is the so called right that raised the issue. I just can't fathom that devout Christian Democrats are not disturbed by being marginalized by secular businesses.
I may be wrong as it is just my opinion. I do not known of any research done to validate or invalidate that opinion.
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Do not forget Toys For Tots!!!
Do not forget Northwest Harvest!!!
Do not forget to share with those in need.

[Recife]

Twas the night before Christmas
He lived all alone
In a one bedroom house made of
Plaster and Stone

I had come down the Chimney
With presents to give.
And to see just who
In this home did live.

I looked all about
strange sight I did see.
No tinsel, No presents,
Not even a tree.

No stocking by the mantle,
Just boots filled with sand.
On the wall hung pictures
Of far distant lands.

With medals and badges,
Awards of all kinds,
A sober thought
Came through my mind.

For this house was different,
It was dark and dreary,
I found the home of a soldier,
Once I could see clearly.

The soldier lay sleeping,
Silent, alone,
Curled up on the floor
In this one bedroom home.

The face was so gentle,
The room in such disorder,
Not how I pictured
A United States Soldier.

Was this the hero
Of whom I'd just read?
Curled up on a Poncho,
The floor for a bed?

I realized the families
That I saw this night,
Owed their lives to these soldiers
Who were willing to fight.

Soon around the world,
The children would play,
And grownup would celebrate
A bright Christmas Day.

They all enjoyed freedom
each month of the year,
Because of the soldiers,
Like the one lying here.

I couldn't help wonder
How many lay alone,
On a cold Christmas Eve
In a land far from home.

The very thought
Brought a tear to my eye,
I dropped to my knees
And started to Cry.

The soldier awakened
And I heard a rough voice,
"Santa don't cry,
This life is my choice."

The solider rolled over
And drifted to sleep,
I couldn't control it,
I continued to weep.

I kept watch for hours,
So silent and still
And we both shivered
From the cold nights chill.

I didn't want to leave
On that cold, dark, night,
This guardian of Honor
So willing to fight.

The solider rolled over,
With a voice soft and pure,
Whispered, "Carry on Santa,
It's Christmas Day, All is secure."

One look at my watch,
And I knew he was right.
"Merry Christmas my friend,
And to all a good night."

[sparky]

Chucks, plenty of religious Dems out there who hate the commercialization of the season. But neither I nor them believe it is a "war." Just another means of stirring up the conservative base. And on that note, I must point out that my very very very right wing fundigelical cousins were pressed up against the door of WalMart at midnight to "convene with Christ" i guess. While they whine about the sacred part of the season being "under attack", they are out there taking advantage of all the sales, pushing and shoving with the rest of them.

[sparky]

I nor they..duh. hard to eat and type!

[DT]

Well, someone brainwashed the Kiwanis into believing it is offensive to call it a Christmas tree lot. Why else would the switch from calling it a Christmas tree lot ot a holiday tree lot? Who are they afraid of offending?

[chucks]

Well DT
You don't wanna offend the Jews, Muslims, Budists etc when offering them trees for the holidays.
Sheesh

[DT]

But won't Jehova Witnesses feel excluded and offended? They don't celebrate holidays. So maybe it would be more compassionate and sensitive to just call it a tree lot.

[chucks]

Leave um in pots and call it a "Winter Nursery"

[The Royal]

Sparky,
San Francisco radio talk show host Bernie Ward has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of using the Internet to send and receive child pornography, his lawyer said today...DEVELOPING.

[cowpotpi3]

Well DT, you can call it brainwashed if you want, but intellectually you know that isn't true. They just don't believe what you do. Do you even understand what they do? Think about it...they are in the business of helping those less fortunate, regardless of their religion. Why do you have to make this into an 'either you're with us or against us' issue?

Are you going to answer the question about Jesus? If you're a Christian perhaps it would be edifying to understand his message at this time of year.

[DT]

Sure, cowpoti, I'll answer your question if you answer mine.

I don't really care what some mentally disturbed man said 2000 years ago. And I'm pretty sure about 99.9% of the things that have been attributed to him, he didn't actually say.

Now I have a question for you. Would you agree that is would be more sensitive of people with Christmas tree lots to instead of calling them "holiday tree lots," to just call them "tree lots," so as not to make people who don't celebrate any holidays, like JW's, less excluded?

[DT]

I normally don't correct my grammatical mistakes, but I'll make an exception this time....

is should be it.

.. so as to make people who don't celebrate any holidays, like JW's, feel less excluded.

[cowpotpi3]

I think its up to the group putting up the sign. You are asking about the Kiwanis and I answered you. If I were running a charity organization that catered to all denominations, I'd probably do what they did. But you know, I'm not. I put up my Christmas tree proudly and happily say Merry Christmas to people. The difference between me and the O'Reilly-types is that I'm not so full of hate at anyone who doesn't agree with me.

I hope you can see why the Kiwanis did what they did and why a private operation can do it. Compassion for other people who don't share your beliefs is a pretty solid American value and I wonder why the right has abandoned it.

[DT]

It seems to me if you truly had compassion for other people, you would support a law that forbids the words "Christmas" and "holiday" from being displayed in public, as they may make some people feel excluded.

[sparky]

Yes, I will be following Bernie's story closely.

I am having foot surgery Monday so I will be away for awhile...have a good weekend everyone.

[Brian]

What a bunch of BS.
"Compassion for other people who don't share your beliefs is a pretty solid American value and I wonder why the right has abandoned it."

I don't see anyone on the right trying to remove the words "Kwanza Hanukah or Ramadan" from our schools, advertisements or everyday language, the it has been done with Christmas nor have I heard of any Christians who are "offended" by the religious holidays other than their own.

It's the progressives and other "open-minded" ones who seek to limit Christians' right to express their faith openly.

If the mere mention of Christmas is offensive to some, then I think they should reevaluate their own spiritual beliefs which seem to be too easily compromised by witnessing such a horrible act as someone who celebrates Christmas.

If you're really to blind to see what's going on here then you are probably beyond help.

[cowpotpi3]

No Brian, it just means that I don't share in your ass-backward "keeping the Christian man down" mentality, that's all. Now you're making false statements to support your view. Please tell me where the schools are actively putting up Kwanza or Hanukah signs in preference over Christmas? What's that? You made it up? OK got it.

You act like this is the most monumental issue the country has faced and in reality its a made up scare tactic that you've bought into. Tell me has your faith been swayed in any way shape or form by somebody not saying Merry Christmas? Seriously you have got to be kidding me.

And lastly, when you try and dismiss someone's valid and cogently constructed argument by saying "you are beyond help" it really is an indictment of your own state of mind, not the person you're trying to ignore.

[Brian]

Wow it took me all of 15 seconds to find this:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41860

I hope my link will post.
A school in Oklahoma that removed the Christmas references from a holiday play while leaving the Hanukkah, Kwanzaa references in the presentation.

If you pay attention you'll see plenty of other examples without even searching.

Also, I don't consider myself a Christian, I am somewhere in the middle an agnostic.

Ans no, this isn't the most monumental issue or even close. It's just annoying to see how prevalent and obvious the prejudice is here and it blows my mind that intelligent people can try to make an argument against it. I guess I find it sad mostly.

[Brian]

Here are some more headlines.
Google- "Hanukkah school censor"
and you will find the articles:

Christmas carols banned, but Hanukkah songs OK

Florida: Hanukkah Songs Replace Christmas Songs, Christians Outraged

School newsletter omits Christmas, but Hanukkah, Eid al-Adha, K ...

There are plenyy more but I have better things to do...

[KS]

"It's the progressives and other "open-minded" ones who seek to limit Christians' right to express their faith openly."

Hey, don't say that here - comments like that will spur on debate from progressives. Go back 15 years and everyone said Merry Christmas. Enter the ACLU and since then, it has become politicized like everything else traditional, in the hopes of changing the landscape in this country so that the left wing will win over the right wing and the Leprechaun... Why the hell is/was so much energy and flatulence from the left used to quash Christmas in the public square that provoked an equal amount of energy exerted to counter this ? (this is lessening, but not over yet) No wonder our values and politics are so- f***ed up...

[KS]

"It's the progressives and other "open-minded" ones who seek to limit Christians' right to express their faith openly."

Hey, don't say that here - comments like that will spur on debate from progressives. Go back 15 years and everyone said Merry Christmas. Enter the ACLU and since then, it has become politicized like everything else traditional, in the hopes of changing the landscape in this country so that the left wing will win over the right wing and the Leprechaun... Why the hell is/was so much energy and flatulence from the left used to quash Christmas in the public square that provoked an equal amount of energy exerted to counter this ? (this is lessening, but not over yet) No wonder our values and politics are so- f***ed up...

[Nevets]

Looks like Baghdad Jim just cant let go of this war, setting off a bomb on a vote for Xmas with a big "NO". Of course he says he voted NO to make a point, but really, couldn't he have done that some other way instead of embarrassing all of us here in Washington State in the process.

[cowpotpi3]

Wow what a bunch of rabit right wingnuts you guys are. Do you read and digest everything you read from WorldNutDaily in the context of what Bill O'Reilly TELLS you to believe? Are you capable of questioning your views?

First of all take note of the date this article was posted on WorldNutDaily: December of 2004.
FYI, here is the original article that WorldNut Daily used selected outtakes from:

What Brian should have posted

You made the statement that the school district removed "all Christmas references" from the play. Actually you need to re-read...they removed a Nativity scene. Surely you can see the difference between what you posted (inaccuracy) and the truth. If you can't then you fail at logic.

KS also uses WorldNutDaily as a source (and again note the date of December 6, 2005) and says its easy to do a Google Search and find headlines. Those are great...unless, of course, you actually give THOUGHT to what you're accepting as the truth because it agrees with your pre-determined Kool Aid ideology:

A little more information than some right wing group's take

"The district says this is not true. It has posted a notice on its website reading, “Recently, there have been a number of reports in the media that the upcoming Holiday Program at the Parkway School doesn’t include songs or music recognizing the Christian religious tradition. This is simply not the case.” The school also posted the holiday program on its site. Songs being sung include “Angels We Have Heard on High” and “I Saw Three Ships.”"

So basically what you guys have are a couple of crusty ass examples that you claim validates the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy ... only you took most of the data from WorldNutDaily (who clearly got it themselves from a right wing Christian group called the Liberty Foundation ... google you know?).

If this is a war on Christmas, well it appears to be a real non-issue. Which is my point.

[sparky]

Facts make them cranky, cowpotpi3...their one other line of "defense" is to just accuse you of lying and then call you a name. It eases their anxiety.

What made me laugh about this "war" on Christmas was that on Bill Orally's website he had " Happy Holidays" merchandise for sale until someone pointed out the hypocracy.

[Central Concern]

Brian,KS, how could you! So close to the Retail Baby Jesus' birthday.

[cowpotpi3]

It gets even better than that, Sparky. He had some nut on his show the other day going over the list of evil companies that we should boycott and she called out Barnes and Noble. Billy got uptight about it and said to give them a pass. The height of hypocrisy: They are my buddies and make me money so they're OK!:

"EARLL: And I’m going to spend my money some place that’s not scared to wish me a Merry Christmas.

O’REILLY: And I think a lot of people feel the same way, which is why we reversed the trend, but I’m not going to come down hard on Barnes & Noble."

...

O’REILLY:“Finally, time for the mail. Tons of it last night. But first, a big thank you for making the paperback of Culture Warrior a huge hit.”

[sparky]

Facts make them cranky, cowpotpi3...their one other line of "defense" is to just accuse you of lying and then call you a name. It eases their anxiety.

What made me laugh about this "war" on Christmas was that on Bill Orally's website he had " Happy Holidays" merchandise for sale until someone pointed out the hypocracy.

[sparky]

Pardon moi for the computer belch.