San Francisco talker Michael Savage (KTTH m-f, 6-9p) has bullied the civil rights group the Council of American-Islamic Relations website into taking down a four minute audio clip from his show that buttresses their claim that he's racist, inflammatory and hate-filled.
The bombastic, homophobic, xenophobe's usual idea of marketing and PR is to either sue somebody or invoke a showy lawsuit, or civic condemnation against him. Such actions provide for miles of the kind of irate pomposity that's made his radio talk show one of the highest rated in the country.
But this time, Savage litigious threats are defensive after CAIR regurgitating his own offensive words on its website jeopardized his bottom line by using them to pressure such corporations as WalMart, AutoZone, TrustedID, OfficeMax, Citrix Systems Inc., and JCPenny to drop sponsorship of his weekdaily, diatribical ITSavage Nation. (Call me a media whore, or a hate-hustler, but don't be fuckin' with my money!)
The Father Coughlin-like material conjures up- and we don't say this lightly- Adolf Hitler at Nuremberg. It can still be heard on YouTube here. A synopsis below, but we urge you to listen to get that whiff of the 3rd Reich.
(photo: Savage in previous sales job)
Savage Nation, Oct. 29:
-- I'm not gonna put my wife in a hijab. And I'm not gonna put my daughter in a burqa. And I'm not getting' on my all-fours and braying to Mecca. And you could drop dead if you don't like it. You can shove it up your pipe. I don't wanna hear anymore about Islam. I don't wanna hear one more word about Islam. Take your religion and shove it up your behind. I'm sick of you.
-- What kind of religion is this? What kind of world are you living in when you let them in here with that throwback document in their hand, which is a book of hate. Don't tell me I need reeducation. They need deportation. I don't need reeducation. Deportation, not reeducation. You can take C-A-I-R and throw 'em out of my country. I'd raise the American flag and I'd get out my trumpet if you did it. Without due process. You can take your due process and shove it.
-- What sane nation that worships the U.S. Constitution, which is the greatest document of freedom ever written, would bring in people who worship a book that tells them the exact opposite. Make no mistake about it, the Quran is not a document of freedom. The Quran is a document of slavery and chattel. It teaches you that you are a slave.
(We saw the fruits of such racist and xenaphobic talk in Seattle last week, when a drunken Seahawks fan
punched, choked, and bit the Sikh driver of the cab in which he was riding, after calling the be-turbanned cabby an "Iraqi terrorist." Sikhs, of course are not Moslems nor are they from the Middle East- but expect more of this kind of reaction as the right steps up its culture war).
Savage's copyright infringement lawsuit against CAIR filed in U.S. District Court in California, accuses them of being a "political vehicle of international terrorism" that seeks to "material harm to those voices who speak against the violent agenda of CAIR's clients."
The lawsuit, seeks damages equal to the ongoing donations from CAIR
supporters "who expect CAIR to act in this manner in exchange for
continuing financial support" as well as "actual damages according to
proof."
Applying pressure on sponsors is a legitimate way to apply political
influence on media; the right and the left both do it as often as
they can. Business is famously averse to controversy, and is more than
gun shy to flamers like Savage.
But Savage is on the the extreme end of a long list of talk hosts nationwide who, facing a general audience decline, are going louder and fiercer against illegal aliens (read all Latinos) and fear mongering against American Moslems no matter their legal status.
Savage, a spewing train wreck of political incorrectness, and culture-baiting is getting full financial value out of the unfolding politics of immigration.
Conservatives were always mad at him--mostly for excoriating Bush on immigration and because he hasn't nuked Baghdad. This issue could bring Savage back together with the featherheaded right who are now running away from their featherheaded president.
Savage recently wrote a best-selling book saying liberalism is a mental disorder, but he proudly displays some pretty scary pathology each day on his show.
Lacking the awe-inspiration he strives for- Savage just sounds crazed. But to the crowd of Americans whose racism is buried a little deeper, than say, the KKK or certain Ron Paul supporters, Savage's fractious rants resound with who they are, and what they hold deep in their hearts.
And like any injury accident, he also draws a measurable contingent of ghoulish lookee-loo's who sit breathlessly waiting to hear what he might say next.
We don't advocate shutting Savage up, and we're not lawyers. But we think that the words that he spews out daily for ratings, ought to be spread widely for all to see. And if groups like CAIR can base fundraising on exposing his intentionally incendiary race baiting, good on 'em!
Savage is the epitome of his name, a complete raging savage who (IMO) should be off the air. If Imus can be excommunicated for what he said (at least for a period of time) Savage should be punished likewise until he gets some modicum of civility. It almost seems like he accelerates while on-air...like may be he's on something that pumps him up to his ravaging rhetoric. Perhaps he will self-destruct, let's hope!
Posted by: Duffman | December 02, 2007 at 03:29 PM
I have read Savage's comments a couple of times and still cannot find anything that is wrong about them. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Posted by: ruforeeeal | December 02, 2007 at 04:54 PM
"You can take your due process and shove it."
Says it ALL!!!
Posted by: Duffman | December 02, 2007 at 05:07 PM
Michael Savage was bold and eloquent in the way he denounced Islam for the horrific atrocities they embrace as orthodoxy. From clitoral mutilation to beheadings for infidelity, Islamic societies endorse the pervasive, nauseating abuse of women as lawful applications of religious faith straight from the pit of Hell. It is sickening and horrific to witness the nightmarish tableau of an entire nation of Sudanese Muslim men calling for the execution of a woman who misnamed a teddy bear. Islamic fundamentalists are bloodthirsty 7th Century primitives. It's madness. It's like waking up and suddenly; gorillas are on horseback.
Posted by: abob | December 02, 2007 at 05:40 PM
We can be thankful for much this Holiday Season and now we see that added to our list of things to be thankful for is that thankfully 'abob' is not a Supreme Court Justice!
Posted by: Duffman | December 02, 2007 at 05:44 PM
"You can take your due process and shove it."
That says nothing. People that are here illegally and fly airplanes into to buildings murdering thousands of Americans are not protected by the US Constitution, nor do they have due process rights. It is pretty pathetic that the people that despise our constitution and want it relaced with the Koran, use the constitution to further thier oppressive ways. What are women and gays to do when the Muslims take over? They will be the first to be extinguished.
Posted by: ruforeeeal | December 02, 2007 at 05:44 PM
Yes! Taken off the air and punished. Lashes,fines,sent to prison!
Posted by: holodeck | December 02, 2007 at 05:49 PM
Didn't say he should be 'taken off the air', did I...may be sponsors will dictate whether he will remain on the air and an 'objective' decision can be made to remove someone who does not generate $money and who is detrimental to broadcasting. The 'market' can decide; how 'bout that.
Posted by: Duffman | December 02, 2007 at 05:53 PM
Dennis Miller had the best take. His producer played on the air some of Savage ripping into Miller and his show. The attitude of Dennis Miller was to laugh it off and offer to bring Savage on his show. He even held out the carrot of promoting the book Savage is promoting and give him five minutes uninterrupted with which to bust the chops of Dennis Miller. Miller equated it to taking a roasting from Don Rickles. He didn't want to argue with the man just wanted him to come on his show to let him vent.
Face it, Savage is a hater of all things not Savage. It appeals to some...just not me.
Posted by: PugetSound | December 02, 2007 at 06:00 PM
The idea that Dennis Miller would deign to offer Savage exposure and airtime is belly laugh funny. Miller radio listeners are less than 5% the size of the 8 million Michael Savage audience.
Posted by: abob | December 02, 2007 at 06:16 PM
The British teacher who let her students name the class bear "Mohammed" was sentenced to 40 lashes, not death. The British government is currently in negotiations for her release.
Posted by: sparky | December 02, 2007 at 07:02 PM
"The idea that Dennis Miller would deign to offer Savage exposure and airtime is belly laugh funny. Miller radio listeners are less than 5% the size of the 8 million Michael Savage audience.
Posted by: abob | December 02, 2007 at 06:16 PM"
No 'deign' intended. Just making the point that Miller wanted him to come on his show just to rip him...that's all. Savage complains about not being able to get on other shows to plug his book and this would have been a chance to get some exposure with a different group.
C'mon, do you really enjoy the anger that Savage projects? Did you really find his book, 'the political zoo' to be entertaining?
For sure, Savage has a large loyal following. I just don't get him.
Posted by: PugetSound | December 02, 2007 at 07:15 PM
Sparky, who said she was sentenced to death, you trying to pull a fast one over us again?
Posted by: Nevets | December 02, 2007 at 08:32 PM
Poor Steven.
Posted by: sparky | December 02, 2007 at 08:47 PM
RU4R...It is pretty pathetic that the people that despise our constitution and want it relaced with the Koran, use the constitution to further their oppressive ways.
They aren't using the Constitution to do anything. We are - the people of the United States who want to see justice done according to our own rule of law. Why don't you get that?
Posted by: joanie | December 02, 2007 at 10:36 PM
"Islamic societies kill homosexuals, cut the clitoris off women, force women to wear dark clothing, behead those who disagree with them. America is insane to allow those people into this country to preach a religion of hate written in their throwback document: The Koran." _michael savage
Savage is beloved by millions of Americans because he does not sugarcoat the truth.
Posted by: abob | December 02, 2007 at 11:53 PM
Even if a great many of Islamic cultures do things we disagree with and would deem inhumane, what does it say about us if we simply view the entire religion and its followers as morally equivalent to evil? First of all, its simply not true: if you are going to argue that all Muslims are these bloodthirsty goons then you are operating from some other planet. You people who are saying that Savage is "speaking the truth" need to pull your heads out.
Secondly, you are in here agreeing with Savage's second claim: "America is insane to allow those people into this country." It should be evident why this country cannot take such a position and remain what the Founding Fathers intended us to be. Ironically, I ask you right wingers: Why do you hate America?
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 03, 2007 at 07:17 AM
"Savage is the epitome of his name, a complete raging savage"
Actually his name is Weiner.
Still fits, though.
Posted by: Bill | December 03, 2007 at 09:18 AM
Go Savage!
He tells it like it is & speaks the truth.
Innocent people are murdered daily by the islamo-nazis and you Blam want to equate Savage with Hitler?
Gee, I wonder if the liberal stance on this issue might get us into trouble if gone unchecked. Good thing Savage is out there to try & help save your sorry asses. At what point would you give up on appeasement, while looking up from the floor at your own decapitated corpse?
Posted by: Brian | December 03, 2007 at 10:15 AM
So Brian do you care to refute my arguements? To you are all Muslims a bunch of terrorist decapitators? Boy it must be nice to live in such a black and white world! Re-read what I just argued and attempt to refute it. Of course, you'll just be proving how un-American you are.
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 03, 2007 at 10:49 AM
No, not all Muslims are terrorist decapitators but most terrorist decapitators are Muslims.
I know that most Muslims are peaceful but that doesn't mean that we should ignore the fact that Islamic fanatics are creating a huge problem all over the globe and that problem is growing daily.
Pointing this out should not be deemed as racist or inflammatory, it's just a fact.
Posted by: Brian | December 03, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Savage goes over the top at times, but he tells the truth about such toxic blights in our country as fundamental Islam. It IS incompatible with our Constitution and our values. Having women walking around with head to toe black Burkas, with a little slit for the eyes, in the Ranier Avenue Lowes, is absurd and not what works in our society as far as immigration goes. We should not be importing poverty (illegal Mexicans) and ignorance(freak fundamental Muslims) into our country. Actually the Mexicans bring ignorance as well. Last night I heard that the L.A. Public Schools have become so dumbed down that they no longer require learning of algebra to graduate. How can this kind fo trend, caused by immigraton policies, be good for our country? A show last night on immigration had an expert on who correctly claimed that we are importing 19th century skilled people into a country that no longer needs them, and that we should take care of our existing underclass instead of adding to it. Don't take Savage off. If Dave Ross has a right to be on the air, with his annoying "Mr. In Between",cutesy crap, then Savage does. I need my Savage as an antidote to the soporific, smug Ross.
Posted by: Tommy008 | December 03, 2007 at 11:30 AM
I can take Mister Savage in small doses, he can make sense sometimes, but then once he starts in on his usual rampages...it's nice to be able to change the channel. So remember folks, if you don't like him, you can always silence him yourself.
DT
Posted by: Donald Trent | December 03, 2007 at 01:17 PM
Dave Ross is about as interesting as a bowl of lukewarm tapioca. Ross straddles the fence on every issue. His prostate must be the size of a canned ham.
Posted by: abob | December 03, 2007 at 01:17 PM
An argument could be made that fundamentalist Christianity is incompatible with the Constitution and our values. It is even incompatible with the Bible.
Posted by: sparky | December 03, 2007 at 01:30 PM
Dori's back in full "ass" mode this afernoon.He reprised his old"let's make fun of Celine Dion and her speech patterns ('helicopsters')" shtick, as he played tapes of her talking about Katrina and pretended she was calling in about the Northwest flooding. Dori, you brag and boast about making 100 grand a year, and make fun of Celine's speech, while she personally donates a million dollars of her own money to Katrina victims ,without batting an eye. Dori, that's the difference between a pissant and a poltroon, that would be you- and a priceless princess.
Posted by: Tommy008 | December 03, 2007 at 01:56 PM
Brian you are being inconsistent. You say Savage "tells it like it is and speaks the truth." Re-read his comments. He is against due-process and wants ALL of them deported and no Muslims let in period.
So which is it? Why do you hate America?
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 03, 2007 at 01:58 PM
Very much in agreement with you on that one Sparky. Both groups have the right to spew their venom.
The worst I recall hearing lately from the fundaMENTAList Christians since the idiotic harming of people at abortion clinics is those fruitcakes from Kansas flipping our soldiers families shit at their funerals.
The worst we have heard from the Islamic-terrorist is flying passenger air planes in to buildings, beheading non-believers, thrashing rape victims, stoning girls who pick the wrong boy friend, and a long list of other vile acts that would take all day to list.
Of coarse we have the second amendment that would allow us to battle most of this.
Michael Savage is a little too far right for me, however most of what he says is truth. Just a little too far out there on his presentation for me.
Posted by: chucks | December 03, 2007 at 02:07 PM
Ah, the old equating fundamentalist Christianity with fundamentalist Islam. Tell me, if there's not that much of a difference between the two, would you feel your life was in more in danger if you wiped yoru feet on that Koran in Mecca, or if you wiped your feet on the Bible in, let's say, Lynchburg, Virginia?
And with that, I believe I just won this argument.
Posted by: DT | December 03, 2007 at 05:28 PM
You won the argument because you answered for me? How erudite of you.
Posted by: sparky | December 03, 2007 at 05:48 PM
If I could buy a lottery ticket and decide which numbers are picked at the drawing...I would be a rich man.
Posted by: abob | December 03, 2007 at 06:52 PM
DT
I suspect that you did catch the huge gap in between the stupidity of some fundamentalist Christians and the pure evil of the Islamic terrorist that I expressed in my post. If not, than re-read it.
Posted by: chucks | December 03, 2007 at 06:54 PM
"To you are all Muslims a bunch of terrorist decapitators? Boy it must be nice to live in such a black and white world!"
That is a simplistic generalization. It might help to know what you are talking about, instead of blathering political correctness. Suffice to say that this is about CAIR, which noone here has mentioned. Only a small percentage of Muslims are terrorist decapitators, which still number in the millions worldwide. There is good reason to believe that CAIR funnels money to terrorist groups also. Savage is being deliberately taken out of context and demonized by CAIR, as they are trying remove sponsors from his show.
So, he is suing them for them damaging his career. For the whole story, see;
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8TAC0H80&show_article=1
Posted by: KS | December 03, 2007 at 09:26 PM
KS its pretty simple what I was saying. I was responding to those who were saying Savage was 100% correct in his statements. He was making the case that all Muslims are equivalent to fanatics. Re-read his quotes if you don't believe me. As for 'blathering political correctness' that is not me being PC in any way. That is me being honest and truthful, unlike Savage and his ilk on this issue.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. I read the transcript. You are trying to make this about CAIR? Shoot the messenger I guess...only it wasn't the messenger. Did you read the full transcript?
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 03, 2007 at 09:47 PM
And for all of you righties that somehow think people on the left are making comparisons between fanatics in either faith think again. You see most of us on the left are able to judge each on its individual merits.
So if you'd like to have a discussion on what I dislike about extremists then fine, but you really aren't going to see me compare the two as exactly the same beast. So take that strawman somewhere else.
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 03, 2007 at 09:51 PM
Riiiight, CAIR is the honorable protectors of civil rights... Typical "progressive" logic: only liberal approved speech is "good" speech.
Posted by: An Historian | December 03, 2007 at 09:55 PM
Ok chuck, where's your response to my links showing faux news listeners to be brain-dead? Hmm? You conveniently avoid the hard ones.
And, as for Christians . . . ever heard of Jim Jones? Of course, Tim McVeigh was an islamo-fascist, wasn't he?
My, what conveninent memories you all have on the right.
Hate, hate, hate. That's what Weiner does so well. That's what 710DORI does so well. It always works with some of you, doesn't it?
Posted by: joanie | December 03, 2007 at 09:57 PM
AH - Who is defending CAIR? Nobody in this thread. Focus...we are talking about Savage's comments. Are you going to talk about that or just simply assume that since CAIR is complaining then it must be false?
Again, if you want to talk about what I think about CAIR, fine, I'll tell you I think they are off the deep end. However that has NOTHING to do with the point of my previous posts: Savage's comments are racist and un-American. Do you agree with him?
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 04, 2007 at 07:45 AM
Both Centralia AM stations are off the air. The remaining Lewis Co FM stations (ClearChannel)still on the air are playing music. KOMO is doing a better job of reporting what is going on down south. I think the same thing happened in Fargo when all the Clear Channel owned stations elected not to broadcast emergency info during a train derailment.
Posted by: mediareform | December 04, 2007 at 07:54 AM
Wow Joanie, you were able to name 2 Christian whack-jobs over the past 29 years. Is that the best you can come up with?
Search Google news for bombing or terrorism & I think you'll see just a few more that are more recent (daily) & typically carried out by Muslim fundamentalists.
Posted by: Brian | December 04, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Brian are you backing down from your unqualified support for Savage's sweeping anti-Muslim statements? I thought he "spoke the truth?" I wonder how many Muslims you even know. If you know any do you want them deported too?
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 04, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Since some of you right wing nutters seem to think Savage was "taken out of context" (laughing out loud) Here are some fully contextualized quotes of his:
From the July 2 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Why are they calling one of the Muslim doctors -- one of the terrorists -- a brilliant neurologist? What has he done that makes him brilliant? Dr. Mohammad Asha came in on asylum. "Oh please, can we come into England? We're oppressed in our home country." Oh sure, come in. Bring your entire brood with you. Bring your, bring your -- I'd like to use the word I'd use in a bar -- bring your wife with you in a burqa.
You know, when I see a woman walking around with a burqa, I see a Nazi. That's what I see -- how do you like that? -- a hateful Nazi who would like to cut your throat and kill your children. Don't give me this crap that they're doing it out of a sacred ritual or rite. It's not required by the Quran that a woman walk around in a seventh-century drape. She's doing it to spit in your face. She's saying, "You white moron, you, I'm going to kill you if I can."
From the April 17 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: There are too many RDDBs [red-diaper doper babies, Savage's term for people supposedly raised by Marxist parents] in high places and in the media and in the courts for us to stand up to this fanatical enemy. And so unless the RDDB is reined in somehow or taken out of power, we're going to die as a nation. I swear to God that's what people are saying to me. And these are intelligent people, wealthy people. They are very depressed by the weakness that America is showing to these psychotics in the Muslim world. They say, "Oh, there's a billion of them." I said, "So, kill 100 million of them, then there'll be 900 million of them." I mean, would you rather die -- would you rather us die than them?
From the November 27 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: The Islamists smell weakness in the West and are attacking us on several fronts at once: one, through outright war; two, through immigration; three, through their propaganda disseminated through the liberal media and four, through the liberal courts. Only a devastating military blow against the hearts of Islamic terror coupled with an outright ban on Muslim immigration, laws making the dissemination of enemy propaganda illegal, and the uncoupling of the liberal ACLU can save the United States. I would also make the construction of mosques illegal in America and the speaking of English only in the streets of the United States the law.
There are lots more where that came from...
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 04, 2007 at 01:14 PM
If Islamic doctrine gained a foothold in the United States and Sharia became the law of the land, a fine woman like Joanie would be forced into a burka and get her head chopped off if she had sex with the wrong boyfriend. I oppose the tide of Islamic fundamentalism. I want to protected and silence innocent, trusting, naive, bleating lambs like Joanie.
Posted by: abob | December 04, 2007 at 01:18 PM
not all Muslims should be banned from USA. But i agree with Savage in this respect- when i see a woman covered all in black, shapeless cloth with two slits for her eyes, walking the aisles of the Rainier Lowe's, which I have seen more than once, that's an act of agression, hate and contempt toward the mainstream white society. It is not about "customs". It's absolutey absurd to let people like that in ths country. They have no place here.
Posted by: Tommy008 | December 04, 2007 at 01:46 PM
Dori thinks companies should be able to not hire pregnant women simply because they're pregnant. The conceited little fellow still doesn't know how to pronounce "sorry", although he was boasting today about being in the top two percent of IQ test scores when he was an S.P.S. grade school student, Dori, learn how to pronounce "sorry" for Christ's sake.
Posted by: [email protected] | December 04, 2007 at 01:55 PM
Dang it, Michael Hood! You're putting me in that Voltairesque position again, of disapproving of what someone said but defending their right to say it.
You called Savage Hitler. That's crap, and indefensible. Did he say we should round up Muslim co-religionists and gas them? No. Here, let us deconstruct his quoted statements and maybe you can tell me what is Hitlerian:
" -- I'm not gonna put my wife in a hijab. And I'm not gonna put my daughter in a burqa. And I'm not getting' on my all-fours and braying to Mecca."
This sounds like a defense against forced conversion. What is wrong with this? Muslims want to institute Shari'a law in all nations. They've said this.
"And you could drop dead if you don't like it. You can shove it up your pipe."
Extreme rhetoric, but notice he doesn't say "I'll kill you." Drop dead is a colloquialism that connotes passive approval not a desire to murder. Is this why you call him Hitler, you hypocrite?
"I don't wanna hear anymore about Islam. I don't wanna hear one more word about Islam. Take your religion and shove it up your behind. I'm sick of you."
I have heard much worse from atheists about Christians.
" -- What kind of religion is this? What kind of world are you living in when you let them in here with that throwback document in their hand [the Koran], which is a book of hate."
Attacking a religion is attacking ideas, not a RACE. And the Koran is very hateful to both Christians , Jews, and atheists such as yourself.
"Don't tell me I need reeducation. They need deportation. I don't need reeducation. Deportation, not reeducation. You can take C-A-I-R and throw 'em out of my country. "
Mean, but not like Hitler is it? I mean, it sounds pretty defensive doesn't it?
"I'd raise the American flag and I'd get out my trumpet if you did it. Without due process. You can take your due process and shove it."
Stupid thing to say. He has a right to say it.
"-- What sane nation that worships the U.S. Constitution, which is the greatest document of freedom ever written, would bring in people who worship a book that tells them the exact opposite. "
Being anti-Muslim or anti-immigrant is bigoted. But Islam is a religion not a race.
"Make no mistake about it, the Quran is not a document of freedom. The Quran is a document of slavery and chattel. It teaches you that you are a slave."
Is there anything about this, Michael, that as a God-rejecting Jew we should disagree with? Is the Quran a document of freedom? Doesn't it teach that you should be a slave as an infidel and a Jew?
My point is this: he is an angry wierd little man, this Savage, but he is not like Hitler. He is a non-religious Jewish man, just like you. He sees Islam as a threat to his (and your) freedom.
And whether he's right or not, to compare him to Hitler for being scared of their fascist totalitarian multi-ethnic religion (there is no more xenophobic group than Muslims) is to abandon all hope for reasoned argument. TO compare him to Hitler is to admit you have no argument, and that you are an asshole.
Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative | December 04, 2007 at 01:55 PM
Joanie: "And, as for Christians... ever heard of Jim Jones? Of course, Tim McVeigh was an islamo-fascist, wasn't he?"
Joanie, you simp. What proof do you have that McVeigh was a Christian, or if you prove that, that he acted out of any religious impulse? Did he act in the name of Christianity? No evidence at all of that is there?
And you silly little twit, while you're at it, prove that Jim Jones was anything but a heretic. How can Christianity be blamed for the actions of those who act in direct opposition to its tenets?
A muslim terrorist is lauded by his co-religionists, vindicated by his holy book, and praised and revered by his imam leaders. They are called Shahid and muslims dance in the streets and hand out candies when they kill "kuffar."
Jim Jones was a madman and Christians tried to stop him, which is why he was fled to Guyana with his crazy band of heretics.
You're an idiot, Joanie.
Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative | December 04, 2007 at 02:08 PM
Joanie: "And, as for Christians... ever heard of Jim Jones? Of course, Tim McVeigh was an islamo-fascist, wasn't he?"
Joanie, you simp. What proof do you have that McVeigh was a Christian, or if you prove that, that he acted out of any religious impulse? Did he act in the name of Christianity? No evidence at all of that is there?
And you silly little twit, while you're at it, prove that Jim Jones was anything but a heretic. How can Christianity be blamed for the actions of those who act in direct opposition to its tenets?
A muslim terrorist is lauded by his co-religionists, vindicated by his holy book, and praised and revered by his imam leaders. They are called Shahid and muslims dance in the streets and hand out candies when they kill "kuffar."
Jim Jones was a madman and Christians tried to stop him, which is why he was fled to Guyana with his crazy band of heretics.
You're an idiot, Joanie.
Posted by: Bleeding heart conservative | December 04, 2007 at 02:10 PM
I see all the Hitler defenders are here....
Posted by: Stephen Colbert | December 04, 2007 at 02:12 PM
Wow the right wingnutter rationalization has hit an all time high. Savage isn't Hitler...so that makes what he is saying OK! What a simplistic arguement...and BHC is calling someone else an idiot.
Re-read the number of quotes from Savage posted above. He's saying no Muslims allowed and no due process here.
That's racist and un-American. Do you agree with him? If so you're un-American as well. Enjoy your hypocrisy.
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | December 04, 2007 at 02:46 PM