Tonight on “The David Goldstein Show”, (KIRO Sat., Sun., 7-10p)
The Stranger’s Josh Feit joins me for our weekly round up of the week’s news, and a look ahead to coming headlines. Tops for tonight include post-hangover report from last night’s Genius Awards, the education of Jane Hague, and Dino Rossi’s non-campaign. But mostly Josh just wants to talk about the
Saturday Night Massacre.
(photo, Jane Hague: "life of the Party")
8p: Mandatory sentencing or “tailored” justice?
A Burien family got the justice they asked for when their 15-year-old son avoided a prison sentence for the accidental shooting of his 16-year-old brother. Prosecutors insisted the shooter needed incarceration for his “serious violent crime,” but in sentencing the boy to 24-months of home detention, King County Superior Court Judge Harry McCarthy said that justice “has to sometimes be tailored for each person.” Should justice be blind, or tailored to the circumstance?
Can someone explain to me what an accidental shooting is? Is that where you accidentally point a gun at someone, then accidentally pull the trigger?
Posted by: Sam | September 15, 2007 at 07:46 PM
I bet Dori could tell you.
Posted by: sparky | September 15, 2007 at 08:45 PM
dori sucks
Posted by: coochie mama | September 15, 2007 at 11:26 PM
I don't get why Dems gave Bobbe Bridge so much sympathy and support, while piling on Jane Hague. I'm in Hague's district and won't be voting for her, and I thought that Bridge should have resigned after her DUI. I'm consistent; Dems aren't.
The fact that Bobbe Bridge expressed remorse is of some significance, but only some. If expressing remorse were all-important, we'd let off anyone caught doing crimes, as long as they said they were sorry.
Somehow Dems have only empathy for Bridge, and only enmity for Hague. Just another example of how liberalism has morphed into a neurosis that distort's ones perception of everything, and I mean everything.
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 01:39 AM
Spot on Wutitiz!
Judge Bridge's got nailed for DUI -at .22 nearly 3 times the legal limit- should have been noted but she gets a free ride. She even hit another vehicle in her drunken stupor.
I also agree with you on Hague, I wouldn't vote for her because of her conduct.
It's bad enough to get a DUI as a young person, but I am willing to see if the person can grow from the experiance. To get one later in life such as Hague or Bridges -at almost 3 times the legal limit with an accident!- shows such a lack of judgement. If you can't tell when you have had enough then I don't want you making decisions on my behalf.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 05:10 AM
Correct, PS. She hit a parked car and was so wasted she didn't even realize it.
I'm conservative/libertarian, but I'm getting to the point where I'm just wishing for a people who can still think rationally, and haven't been utterly blinded by partisanship.
A Dave Ross comes to mind--I disagree with him a lot of times, but at least he still has the capacity to reason things out rather than pre-judge according to political alignment.
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 07:24 AM
wutitiz says "Just another example of how liberalism has morphed into a neurosis that distort's ones perception of everything, and I mean everything."
This statement by itself is proof that the opposite is far more true.
Posted by: Andrew | September 16, 2007 at 08:00 AM
Right, &rew! Putz sez: "To get one later in life such as Hague or Bridges -at almost 3 times the legal limit with an accident!- shows such a lack of judgement.(sic)" Putz, are you saying that youth is an excuse for lack of judgment (at apparent odds with insurance companies)?
Posted by: Fremont | September 16, 2007 at 11:31 AM
Spot on Fremont, this is agism at its worst.
Posted by: Andrew | September 16, 2007 at 11:42 AM
In Eastern WA.this wouldn't even be
brought to court.If it isn't gang related,it would be rationalized as accidental,thus no charge.
Posted by: yakvalley | September 16, 2007 at 12:10 PM
And remorse is relevant. That's the difference. We libs understand nuance. And, as Andrew points out, Wutsup, you only understand which you demonstrate in your post, broad-brushing black and white thinking.
Thus, we are smarter: Bridge stays and Hague goes.
Posted by: joanie | September 16, 2007 at 12:32 PM
dig=fference between Bridges and Hauge is the arrogance factor. Bridges admitted all wrong-doing and started going to meetings. Hague is taking her embarrassing bust and her high breathalyzer to court with a big fat Republican lawyer to see if she can buy herself a big fat loophole. She's only shown remorse for making profane bitchy comments to the cops. She's perfect for Bellevue, and will probably be re-elected. And if this denial is any indication, she'll be in trouble with booze again.
Posted by: sarge | September 16, 2007 at 02:30 PM
You mean, she made some poor choices? Like those garbage people Dori talks about on his show?
Posted by: sparky | September 16, 2007 at 04:23 PM
PugetSound: You see, PS?? About 2/3rds way thru the above msgs, I just had to smile, because I was being proven SO right. The libs CANNOT escape the left=right, right=wrong (il)logic.
It's like watching a well worn mechanism--you know what it's going to do every time.
Andrew is esoteric as always, Joanie reached for 'nuanced,' a word that like 'vibrance' on the tongue of a lib real estate person, covers a multitude of sins. Sarge does a 'hate Rs' riff, and Sparky, I'm disappointed w/ your effort.
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 05:42 PM
Joanie: "Nuance"--isn't that libspeak for "make it up as I go along?"
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 05:48 PM
Freemont sez
"Right, &rew! Putz sez: "To get one later in life such as Hague or Bridges -at almost 3 times the legal limit with an accident!- shows such a lack of judgement.(sic)" Putz, are you saying that youth is an excuse for lack of judgment (at apparent odds with insurance companies)?"
Close, but I was going for the fact that in life as one gets older hopefully they mature and make better decisions. One would also hope that someone in elective office such as a Judgeship in which Bridges had tried people for DUI and sentenced them and Ms Hauge as a lawmaker had participated in crafting DUI laws that nail the average schmo would be a little more mature at this stage of their life. Get Buzzed, get a taxi.
With age comes wisdom. O f course, as evidenced by Joanie that isn't always the case.
So if you want to nail me for 'age-ism' then yes, I will plead guilty to same.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 05:52 PM
Yakvalley: In Spokane, all a drunk female motorist has to do is flash her boobs at the officer to go free. Not sure that would work for Hague or Bridge, though.
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 05:53 PM
Wutitiz sez
"PugetSound: You see, PS?? About 2/3rds way thru the above msgs, I just had to smile, because I was being proven SO right. The libs CANNOT escape the left=right, right=wrong (il)logic.
It's like watching a well worn mechanism--you know what it's going to do every time.
Andrew is esoteric as always, Joanie reached for 'nuanced,' a word that like 'vibrance' on the tongue of a lib real estate person, covers a multitude of sins. Sarge does a 'hate Rs' riff, and Sparky, I'm disappointed w/ your effort.
Spot on Wutitiz! They view it all thru a political prism. Nuance eh? Poor Joanie.
I guess that is what Clinton was doing when he said it depended upon what the meaning of is, is.
I actually half hope that Hillary gets elected and she sells the left out as her hubby did. Can't wait to see the 'nuanced' reaction.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 05:56 PM
Sarge
The REASON why 'Justice' Bridges admitted it was in lieu of prosecution. Bridge was initially arrested for driving while drunk and for hit and run. The hit and run charge was dropped, and the DUI settled when a Seattle Municipal Court judge accepted Bridge's request for deferred prosecution. That meant she had to admit she had an alcohol problem and get treatment.
Who wouldn't go for that deal?
So don't go making Bridges out to be someone doing the honorable thing. She did the 'save her ass' thing. BIG distinction. To do the honorable thing she would have resigned. More nuance, eh?
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 06:04 PM
PS: Yep, the slickster was the nuance king of 'em all.
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 06:12 PM
hey wutitiz
nuance: defined as having a base willing to overlook your transgressions and explain it away to others when asked. sadly it is very akin to the battered spouse who believes-yet again- when told 'i wont do it again.' very sick, actually when you think about it. very sick.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 06:21 PM
PS: The irony is that Hague is pretty liberal--her web site brags about how much she has done to get tax funding for the arts. But she still has that R behind her name, and, I guess that's like kryptonite to 'nuance.'
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 06:21 PM
the repubs are a non factor in king county. oh they can work in at the margins but we both know that this is dem country in terms of it being run.
which makes things like the seattle school board fiasco all the more interesting.
and how is that working out?
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 06:24 PM
PS: spot on re your 'battered spouse' point. It's a neurosis that relies on the mind's ability to suspend disbelief. (altho I'm not a psychiatrist, nor do I play one on the internet). Where's Dr. Phil when you need him?
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 06:32 PM
You two having fun kissing each other's patooties?
Posted by: joanie | September 16, 2007 at 06:34 PM
Joanie: more fun than a long-nosed dog in a room full of crotches.
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 06:41 PM
Least you're honest, wat'sup.
Posted by: joanie | September 16, 2007 at 06:42 PM
joanie: albeit not very nuanced, huh?
Posted by: wutitiz | September 16, 2007 at 06:48 PM
joanie
when you gonna start answering some questions instead of just throwing 'em out and then ducking?
or is it do as i say, not as i do?
here is one: doesn't it bother you that someone involved in a hit and run WITH a .22 blood alcohol count -nearly 3 times the legal limit- was given such a sweetheart deal? if that had been a peer or you or i we surely wouldn't have received such a deal. why is it that this judge got such a deal.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 06:59 PM
surely joanie you can set aside the partisan prism and say, 'yeah, that is a stinker. she should have resigned.'
c'mon, switch dem for repub judge and ask yourself what your opinion would be.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 07:03 PM
putsie, I don't know what questions I haven't answered. I do know - and perhaps your memory is a victim of age - that I've been there and done that with you. It was a futile journey. I do learn from history and don't plan to go there again.
I do most of the time scroll past you.
That's the best I can say.
Posted by: joanie | September 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM
wut'sup?: Yes.
Posted by: joanie | September 16, 2007 at 07:06 PM
...and there you have it folks, the time tested 'skedaddle' as perfected by joanie.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 07:07 PM
whatever
Posted by: joanie | September 16, 2007 at 07:27 PM
This is all BS. The reason we do not going after Justice Bridge is that the ultraconservatives control everything. She does not have the power to ruin lives the way Jane Hague can. Is anybody watching Alan Greenspan on TV? They reveal how he came from far-right, extra-chromosone right, AYN RAND, and not even Clinton dared to kick him off the Fed. They run it all
Justice Bridge been played!!!!
They only let her have the inconsequential power THEY choose.
Plus, you go back & read Jean Godden, you'll see it's pretty obvious Bridge was SET UP.
Posted by: jeeramya | September 16, 2007 at 07:42 PM
joanie's observation stands on its own. No reply necessary. This blog is becoming a matchmaker for lonely Republican Seattlites.
Posted by: Andrew | September 16, 2007 at 07:49 PM
Heres something for y'all to mull over. If you take the name Greenspan, you get green(money) span(bridge) or money bridge.
If you take Justice Bobbe Bridge, her first name is Bobby, the same as bobby kennedy. If you take Judge John Bridge, the judge in Rossi vs Gregoire, it's John, same as John Kennedy. John and Bobby Kennedy both were offed by shadowy ultraconservative elements, then blamed on somebody else. Jane Hague has a history of blaming others. Clinton spoke of a 'bridge to the 21st century, then they impeached him.
Posted by: jeeramya | September 16, 2007 at 07:51 PM
don't forget bridge and teddy kennedy.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 08:05 PM
actually, judge robbie bridge comes from a very well to do family. she has plenty of power.
interesting watching the logical contortions required to keep it all within the political prism.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 08:07 PM
Partner, U jess messed up. I forgot about the Teddy-bridge connec, and now that you revealed it, Jeeramya is in full-on investigation mode. Ya gonna have eggallova ya face, pardner.
Posted by: jeeramya | September 16, 2007 at 08:21 PM
andrew sez:
"joanie's observation stands on its own. No reply necessary. This blog is becoming a matchmaker for lonely Republican Seattlites.
Posted by: Andrew | September 16, 2007 at 07:49 PM"
aren't you the dude that stays up until 2 am posting on this website. maybe your the one in need of a love connection. good luck.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 16, 2007 at 08:37 PM
Democrats run Seattle therefore they run the state. If you Republican asswipes don't like it then move somewhere else. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Gusto | September 16, 2007 at 09:29 PM
Democrats run Seattle therefore they run the state. If you Republican asswipes don't like it then move somewhere else. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Gusto | September 16, 2007 at 09:30 PM
Why worry about others personal lives, putzie. You're not another white, middle aged dude getting shafted by the femi-nazis are you? Maybe you just need to get your freak on more often.
Posted by: coiler | September 16, 2007 at 09:31 PM
PugetSound: There you have 'em, the very best arguments the libs can produce regarding Bridge/Hague. 1)Joanie can't remember; 2) Andrew & Coiler opt for shoot the messenger 3) Gusto says in essence that yes, left is right and right is wrong, always. The upshot is, they're pinned again.
Posted by: wutitiz | September 17, 2007 at 08:10 AM
Of course what Goldie forgot to mention in the accidently shooting story is the biological mother is pretty outraged at the sentenance. She thinks it's an outrage and isn't justice at all. Reading the PI story, biodad isn't too happy about what is stepson did either and certainly doesn't appear to be all that forgiving. So at looks like the only family that's happy is the shooter's family. Just another example of Goldie not giving all the facts.
Posted by: hal | September 17, 2007 at 12:21 PM
what the hell are you talking about?
Posted by: LeeAnn | September 17, 2007 at 01:26 PM