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August 26, 2007

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pj

Hey, criticizing parents for supposedly out of control 5 year old is way out of bounds, as anyone who has ever tried to control a 5 year old knows.

But this is different. These people are vindictive assholes, and if they chose to destroy someone over this, it would be nice for this to wash back over them and drown them too.

Andrew

Let me remind you all again: the claim is that the dad did NOTHING and the mother did too little. What the kid actualy did isn't the issue. At least chucks dad backhanded him and told him to shut up. That's something.

PugetSound

andrew
kind of selective memory. go back and reread the story and the adjectives used towards the child.
but it was a nice try.

Peter Principle

Consider this a cautionary tale on the continued relevance of the class struggle -- even in, or esxpecially in, the blogosphere.

Sharkansy had the money -- and thus the class standing -- to squash a worker who dared to exercise her theoretical right of free speech on the Internet.

Behold bourgeois "liberty" in all its glory.

Andrew

Why do you keep fixating on the story? All I care about is the fact that Sharky tips poorly, doesn't control his kid and got a waitress fired. The fact that the lady was uncomplimentary about the child is a minute side note.

But on the other hand, thank you. I'll take any and every opurtunity to keep the issue alive so that it's not soon forgotten that a well known republican booster had a waitress fired after tipping her poorly. Actions speak louder than words, and these actions are loud.

PugetSound

andrew sez:
"But on the other hand, thank you. I'll take any and every opurtunity to keep the issue alive so that it's not soon forgotten that a well known republican booster had a waitress fired after tipping her poorly. Actions speak louder than words, and these actions are loud."

does it matter that the source recanted and then requested that the story be taken down? does it matter that the original website that spread the story took it down? or are you all about the urban myth. you know, the big lie. repeat it enough.
maybe your one of those means justify the ends type.
why or why did merci take it down if it was true?

PugetSound

andrew''s selective memory at work:
"...had a waitress fired after tipping her poorly"

no, she quit after the diner she worked at decided it wasn't good for business to have a waitress unwise enough to be blogging crap -and it wasn't just about shark- about the clientele on her blog.
imagine that...how's the fish taste now?

Justin Atheropinion

Yaknow, something about this seems familiar...a Republican overreacts to something he reads and doesn't like...gets vindictive..."outs" worker...she loses job.

Wait a minute, did she serve "yellow cake?"

Defaming a kid? Please. A five year old doesn't know better. It's the parents who it reflects on, always. And they are certainly Public Figures, if he has any political aspirations. All smoke-screens. In lieu of this waitress getting her job back (and I will start to "haunt" this establishment if she does) what can be done about this "relative" who "threatened" this gal?

It would be "nice" if that was properly pursued...

David Neiwert

Actually, Puget Sound, it's clear your perspective on this is, shall we say, pinched.

Because Michael's post here has been front-paged at Daily Kos. Other national bloggers are picking up on it too. It's going viral.

The perspective you are missing here is the obvious one: Sharkansky decided to abuse his power and played the bully against a single mother who offended him. Tucker Carlson did something similar with a hapless video-shop employee and was similarly humiliated.

Sharkansky has just become the national poster boy for bullying conservatives. Guess who's going to wind up sorry here?

Andrew

PugetSound, let me first thank you for the oppurtunity you've given me to drag this on a little further.

PS says "she quit after the diner she worked at decided it wasn't good for business to have a waitress unwise enough to be blogging crap"

She was FIRED, fired, aparently after one of Sharky's people went to the Fremont Classic Pizzeria & Trattoria and raised hell.

PS says "does it matter that the source recanted and then requested that the story be taken down?"

She was pressured. If you torture a person they'll eventualy admit to anything. Please make an effort this simple fact before pulling up this rotten fish again.

PugetSound

David
"Sharkansky decided to abuse his power and played the bully against a single mother who offended him."

What awesome power does Sharkansky possess?
He runs a local conservative blog for gods sake. Not likely to get much traction in Freemont.

PugetSound

Andrew
"she was pressured. If you torture a person they'll eventualy admit to anything. "

whatthehell? Now you got the Shark running a little mini Gitmo out of Greenlake?

If you were her employer would you tolerate a waitperson that was snarkily blogging on about the clientele? Would you Andrew?

David Neiwert

Oh, agreed, it's not much in the way of power, but owning a publication with a daily readership in the thousands really does give one if nothing else the power to threaten, and as such entails a certain level of responsibility. One of those responsibilities is not to single out and target ordinary and otherwise quite powerless citizens. It's called bullying. And it's definitely not cool. No matter how eager you are to rationalize it.

Jimmy Kowalski

Yes, Gusto is correct. 440 ci would be a start.

PugetSound

David
Who is rationalizing here?
Daily readership in the thousands? He wishes.
Who did the singling out in the first place. He was out to have a little pizza with the family and the next thing he and his family knows he is the subject to an anonymous and defamatory story that singled out his kid.
Was that right? Seriously, take away the politics and be honest.

BillClinton

That waitress was TOTALLY out of line. If she puts slander out in public about her customers and expects to get way with it, she learned differently.

If her attitude is any indicator of the kind of "service" she provided, then I say 10% is too damn much.

To try to portray this little tramp, with her own bomb threatening offspring, as some sort of poor proletariot being trampled on by the big bad Shark is the height of absurdity.

PugetSound

hey andrew or anyone else
still waiting. If you were her employer would you tolerate a waitperson that was snarkily blogging on about the clientele?

PugetSound

BillClinton
You have to understand that for Andrew, the height of absurdity is very high after all.

PugetSound

BillClinton
You have to understand that for Andrew, the height of absurdity is NOT very high after all.

Andrew

PS says "whatthehell? Now you got the Shark running a little mini Gitmo out of Greenlake? "

Yes, and nicely put, thank you. At Shark-Gitmo you lose the jobs you depend on to feed you family one by one until you bend to his will.

PS says "If you were her employer would you tolerate a waitperson that was snarkily blogging on about the clientele? Would you Andrew?"

I as a restaurant operator wouldn't have known one way or another, and would not have had to chance the distinction had the Shark not brought it to my attention in a vicious act of vengence, so this hypothetical is misleading and manipulative.

PS Piece of Shit

it's ok, I pull things out of my ass all the time.

PugetSound

okay, now finish the thought. the person that was the subject -of the now recanted story- comes to your restaurant. what would you do then andrew?

Shark-Gitmo. You assign such awesome powers to a dude working out of his house in Greenlake.

Andrew

BillClinton says "this little tramp"

Somebody get a bucket of water! This guys credibility is up in flames!

Andrew

PS says "okay, now finish the thought. the person that was the subject -of the now recanted story- comes to your restaurant. what would you do then andrew?"

I give up. What's the right answer?

"Shark-Gitmo. You assign such awesome powers to a dude working out of his house in Greenlake. "

I'm amazed he managed to get someone fired in general. Either he's realy good or the restaurant operator folded like a house of cards. Mean spirited, down right evil, but impressive none the less.

mark

440 ci.? what? are you going to run over the shark and spouse with a 71 Fury?

Irene

David Neiwert, Justin, Peter - would you even care if I showed you a bunch of receipts that proved that Stefan regularly tipped 15% or more at this casual family restaurant? Or are you just piling on to this story without caring one whit as to the truth? (If there was an isolated incident of tipping 10%, that would have been due to extraordinarily slow or poor service.) Stefan did not have the waitress fired. The waitress inappropriately and maliciously blogged about her restaurant's own customers, both by name and in general. And what does her being a single mother have to do with anything? I was a single mother. That does not mean I can slander other peoples' kids. Single mothers can act responsibly. Please stop with the victim stuff. Steffany Bell was a victim of her own actions and writings. And if any of you are actually concerned about her, why are you perpetuating the story when Stefan has already pulled down his post on her?

Jimmy Kowalski

70 Challenger, the Furys are too pussified

mark

Christine did a fair job in Libertyville, though she was a 318 car...

Michael Caine

Pugetsound is someone that firmly believes if you repeat a lie often enough and loud enough, people will believe the lie. Unfortunately for him, people eventually decide that you are a liar and stop believing anything he says.

The evidence is quite clear. Sharkansky (pugetsound in this case) lies repeatedly about the woman and what happened. In his world revenge by destroying people's lives is justified by even the slightest of offenses. Sharkansky will be on the receiving end of the same treatment that he does to others. He will find few, if any, offering any sympathy for him.

mark

uh oh... goldy says he's going to hash this out on his show.

chucks

Andrew
I as not a restaurant owner, but your customer (your establishment) come to you and complain that one of your staff is blogging crap about me and my family because I stiffed her on the tip. Maybe that night, her service sucked. I did not want to leave any tip, but my wife nagged me to leave something.
She has a friend named merci and tells him and he puts it out there.
I am your customer Andrew, not Stefany's. What are you going to do. You have your whole life tied up in your business and you have this gal chasing away the folks who pay your bills. You kick her to the curb.

LeeAnn

Uh Oh, Irene is back...

PugetSound

Michael Caine
I am not Sharkansky. Note in some posts I even misspelled his name which even a spell challanged individual like myself wouldn't be doing.

Chucks as usual your spot on. Andrew, if you were the boss you would have asked her to leave also. It's a family establishment that invites kids to come. Have you ever been there? It's good food and a family friendly atmosphere.

PugetSound

Irene
They really don't care about her. As Noam pointed out above, they will use her for their own means. By any means necessary to borrow a phrase.
If you take them at their word that they really believe her they wouldn't have reposted the story and gleefully reported about it becoming a national story.

PugetSound

Irene
You may want to put it on 710. Goldy is going to comment further on the story.

wutitiz

What did the five-year old know, and when did he know it?

PugetSound

Wutzit
Better yet, What did Merci know and when did HE know it.

Bruce

She was wrong to post about him by name, true or false.

He was a jerk to respond as he did.

But the consequences: She will get another job -- waitpeople are in great demand in Seattle. He, on the other hand, will need to find a new favorite restaurant, because the staff there will now treat him like crap, and one can only imagine what they'll do to his food...

PugetSound

this is what Noam said:
"Steffany: You have become for Blatherwatch what Lenin referred to as a "useful idiot." Unfortunately for you, you will be used for entertainment purposes until BW decides differently. The irony of your predicament, being abused by a blog "for the people," is truly a MasterCard moment.

Posted by: Noam | August 25, 2007 at 02:10 PM"

Andrew

The answer to your hypothetical restaurant question is obvious, but I'm not going to dignify it with a response because we all know the situation wouldn't have existed without the helpful cruel hand of "The Shark".

I say that he got her fired because he, or his affiliates, set forth the chain of events, in which your hypothetical comes later, near the end, and was a consequence, not a cause.

PugetSound

wow andrew, what steps you'll take to avoid an unpleasant answer. ha ha ha

PugetSound

So Andrew, the answer you gave is that you would have also fired her. Right?

Irene

Andrew - have you talked to the restaurant owner? Do you actually know what transpired? Don't you think Steffany acted stupidly and recklessly by blogging contemptuously about her restaurant's customers? Steffany set this in motion, not Stefan.

LeeAnn

Stefan has changed his story twice while talking to Goldy on KIRO...
"No we didnt get her fired.." "My wife went to the restaurant and asked the owner to fire her.."
So which is it???

PugetSound

Wow, Shark just kicked Goldys ass on his own show.
Took about two minutes to set it straight.
I'll give him credit for taking the call, but Goldy clearly was bailing at the end.

PugetSound

uh lee-ann
need to work on those listening skills. the answer is neither.

PugetSound

andrew, don't run away from a tough answer.

mercifurious

Opine opine opine:
Merci buckled because he has a heart and compassion about someone who is getting her life systematically picked apart by a vengeful and spiteful group of people. A group of people so twisted that they actually believe the narrative so far supports them and makes them look them look like victims.

Actually you're both wrong. This had nothing to do with me "buckling" or lacking minerals. The truth is that I was obligated to protect the safety and livelihood of my source. Despite the absolute legitimacy of the story, when she asked me to pull it down, I pulled it down. Simple as that.

Moral: the truth hurts. Instead of facing the music & improving his obviously social misbehavior, Shark decided - in typical Neocon fashion - to take the low road: attack the source like a mafioso thug.

Viewing all this behind the scenes (a view that all of you are severely lacking) this whole story looked less like a "bitter woman" that lied about someone she didn't like, and more about a mafia boss seeing a court case going against him, and then leaning on a juror to rule in his favor. That juror never feels this way, but must make his/her ruling based on their livelihood being threatened by a thug - not the truth.

PugetSound

poor merci gets no respect. referenced by both shark and goldy as a minor blog. ouch, that has to hurt.

PugetSound

merci, my man!
your back. do dish girlfriend.

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