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June 13, 2007

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mercifurious

So this is a retraction? Whatever Duffman. You said it, now own it. Don't try to Tony Snow your way out!

Anyone that has "lost someone" in that way wouldnt demean someone else with a similar loss.

That is, if you have actually even "lost someone"...

That is, if you are actually even "Christ filled"...


Again, let's read the transcript:

"I doubt her son (as a free-thinking volunteer) would agree with her ridiculous tactics. With all doe respect ma'am you need to do as merci offen suggests STFU...(and quit crying over spilt milk. .. ;)"

Looks pretty clear to us!
For those following at home, that's Cindy Sheehan's son compared with spilt-milk (and STFU). Not Duffman's later non-retraction retraction

Duffman

"For those following at home"
..changed it this time...OMG you are TOO funnay and predictable.
Bye NON-EVENT !!!
..see you at the POLLS..voting for MRS CLINTON :)

mercifurious

Seriously Duffman,

I really hope your thinking intently about the words you use about someone who has been through a loss like Cindy's.

Think Duffman, Think.
WWJD? WWJD? WWJD?

That's a good question. Chapter and Verse time. Let's compare Duffy's remark with The Fruits of the Spirit.

No worries, Duffy. We'll be sure to remind you when Mr. Hyde turns polite (again)

mercifurious

Go ahead, Duffman.

Read it again:
your remark
vs.
The Fruits of the Spirit.

Stop typing. Read the verse. And just think.

Happy Painting, and God-bless my friend

joanie

Mungo: Being the true Neandrethal he is, Dori reiterated that GW is a hoax - after the guy left.

Oh, that is just so 710DORI.

We can find a silver lining here by noting that at least his listeners got an earful of truth for a change.


Regarding Cindi Sheehan, she's no idiot. She managed to shed light where there was darkness. Sort of like the Three Stooges laughing all the way to the bank . . .

I have nothing but admiration for her and people who judge a grieving parent's behavior deserve to be in that position themselves. Period.


Now, Duff, as for stirring the pot. . . thanks for making my reading easier. I just skate on by stupid exchanges that don't yield anything of substance. Had your input been the least thoughtful, I'd have enjoyed it. It wasn't.

mercifurious

Why Joanie, Why oh why would you ever label Duffy's input as "least thoughtful"?

"With all doe respect ma'am you need to do as merci offen suggests STFU...(and quit crying over spilt milk. .. ;)"

Oh that. Right.

Recife

Thats it, I have had enough! Leave Bob Ross outta this!

Duffman

"I just skate on by stupid exchanges that don't yield anything of substance."

LOL! Sure you do, joanie! :)

Brian

Just great That means if Dori Had a good show , you know the drill Frankie ( My Ratings are in the bucket because ,I talk about what evrey moring show's talk about and the afternoon Am talk show host's talked about and so on ) Shiers, I am sure you all Know the Drill Hooty hoo ! God Bless Ted !
Duffman ! You DoA mAN
Go Fred Thompson

Duffman

...and I even threw a little curve ball in there (saying he was a Marine) to make Andrew/merci commit and whatdaya think -he/she/it/they DID...ha too funny!!!

spark

I am not piling on. This is what you wrote:

IMHO Cindy Sheehan was no service to this country (or her family). She made a fool of herself and those misguided enough to support her. I doubt her son (as a free-thinking volunteer) would agree with her ridiculous tactics. With all doe respect ma'am you need to do as merci offen suggests STFU...(and quit crying over spilt milk. .. ;)

Now, kindly point out the part that referred to anyone or anything other than her son...

Duffman

I just find it fascinatingly ?(is that a word, joanie/spark) interesting that of all the substance put into the topic by Bla'm...what was focused on (at least so far) was my comment on a very small part of his post? As Sally Field once so aptly put it..your like me, you must really like me

Duffman

Thank you Spark..I'll reply.
In my mind it's inherently implied that Cindy's cause is more than her beloved lost son. I believe her cause was to awaken in America what a mistake was made by our leadership. So be it. I AGREE. Therefor from my interpretation of 'her cause' I beget 'spilled milk' (at the same time throwing a little milk back at merci - you did notice the wink ;)? Portray me as you wish but I am not as callous a human being as to discount the grief of losing someone beloved...I've been there. I hope you believe me, but you know what...it really doesn't matter. :)
...and for what it's worth I grieve as much for each of the 59,000 lost in VN

Duffman

...turning off the bold..

sparky

Inferences dont work real well on a blog...you have to say what you mean.

Duffman

appreciate that...but you know I think America knows that Cindy's goal/aspiration was other than just 'her son'...did you notice how most distanced themselves from her REAL fast..after it was pretty much established that she was a Kook. A 'well-intentioned' one, but still a Kook!
Thanks Sparks..I do respect you.

coiler

Leave it to Duffman to piss on the cobra and then act shocked. Why not go bump into some Harley's at a biker bar and then try to pass blame elsewhere, ya know?

Duffman

recoil..don't you get it; you're a 'non-event'...how does it feel?
does that take you to '11'?..that's 'one louder' ya know...phony!

joanie

Mungo: Great radio on KIRO just now...

Thanks for the notice, Mungo, and thanks to KIRO for podcasts! I just listened to the interview. Phil Mote is Washington State's official climatologist and I taught his two kids. He is smart!!!!!

Dori sounded totally foolish . . ."but, but, but . . . "

What a great and perfect example of his joe-sixpack mentality. Phil is very calm and had the facts down for every single argument Dori came up with. Dori came off the perfect idiot he is!

Who else but a ego-centric right-wing talk show host would even try to debate earth science with a Ph.D. atmospheric scientist?

That was great radio!

nevets

Joanie, have to admit Dori was outclassed by this Phil Mote guy. But to Dori's credit he knew up front Mr. Mote's position on Global Warming. He should have asked him if he advised Gov. Gregoire to declare a drought emergency in 2005 because of low snow pack in the mountains and why he fired the Wa. St. Asst. Climatologist. That would have been good talk radio but I think Dori wanted to get Mr. Mote off the air quickly.

joanie

I agree that Dori wanted to get the expert off the air . . . 710DORI doesn't put himself in the position of getting flustered often.

Also, he admitted he got him under the pretense of talking about Kilimanjaro . . . Dori's not only a fool but a fraud.

KS

Too much emoting, Joanie. I don't see Dori as a fraud, opinionated - yes and a fool - perhaps.

However, the issue that I have is that I believe Mote was in the wrong to fire Mark Albrecht, Asst. State Climatologist, mainly because he did not buy on to the predominantly man-made global warming agenda, which has lately been shown to be akin to belonging to the flat earth society. Mote would have more credibility if he kept politics out of the debate, but he couldn't help himself.

cowpotpi3

Dori isn't a fraud in that he *knows* what he is saying is not true. He most likely suspects it somewhere in his brain but doesn't have the intellectual honesty to question a belief that is part of his core political being. Anything that is anti-liberal wins out for him, regardless of data or facts.

Also KS, I believe there is a lot more to that story about Mote than you refer to. For example the guy wasn't fired from the UW, he just doesn't have a title in the Office of the State Climatologist, a volunteer and honorary appointment. Also it is a flat out untrue statement that you make to say "he did not buy on to the predominantly man-made global warming agenda." Actually they were in a tiff about the % drop in snowpack in the Cascades...NOT about Global Warming. The issue was with Mote telling him if he wanted to keep sending emails out disputing what the department had decided upon about the snowpack he had to quit saying he was speaking for them. Now you can argue (and would have a good argument) that Mote was stiffling debate, but at least be honest with those here who didn't read the article you refer to. Also, I do wonder if you know anything else other than that one article which was not very detailed in the first place.

cowpotpi3

And Duff, you really ought to just admit what you said was wrong and move on. No matter how many times you call people non-events here, it doesn't invalidate what you pretty clearly said. Apologies are most always accepted but most of the jaded progressives around here get to hear enough lawyering and excuses from our elected officials that when we see something like this it triggers a Pavlovian response.

KS

"Actually they were in a tiff about the % drop in snowpack in the Cascades...NOT about Global Warming. The issue was with Mote telling him if he wanted to keep sending emails out disputing what the department had decided upon about the snowpack he had to quit saying he was speaking for them."

True - I left that out, but I knew that. Apparently Albright (in a non-paid position) was only trying to expose a more authentic version of the big picture by going back farther in time (55 instead of 30 years), which Mote had a kiniption about - seems like suppression of the truth to me. Also, if you were to go back and read more background on Phillip Mote, you would see that I am correct about his Global warming agenda. Therefore, I question, Mr. Mote's intellectual honesty. Careful about spinning this and triggering the BS meter/ I do recall what actually happened.

cowpotpi3

There is no spin KS, I repeated what the article said explicitly. How is filling in the blanks in your earlier incorrect recitation of the facts spinning anything? If I were spinning I would have said something like:

"seems like suppression of the truth to me. Also, if you were to go back and read more background on Phillip Mote, you would see that I am correct about his Global warming agenda."

See now THAT is spinning. That's your opinion on the matter which is not sourced here or backed up with anything. You really ought to quit accusing me of something then going right out and doing it yourself.

KS

you are overreacting - I stated what you said was true. I did not accuse you of spinning yet nor did I say the article spinned anything - it did leave some details out as the MSM typically does, but its not an issure.
I knew that you would come back with some kind of a rebuttal.

Re: Sources - On the contrary, do you have anything that refutes my assertion ? Chances are that you would dismiss the source as rightwingnut bias and there are sources, but I am not convinced that it wouldn't waste my time to find it now(I will do so later, though), being a jaded centrist, tending toward conservative that I am. Do you ever read between the lines ? My case for him suppressing the truth walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. There was less of a loss of snowpack over the last 55 years than there was over the last 30 years, thus more to favor predominantly man-made global warming. I'll suggest you and everyone else draw your own conclusions.

cowpotpi3

Well I already have my refutation...Mote speaks with the scientific consensus on the matter. I guess in your book that makes him a global warming nut. Thousands of peer reviewed papers that went into the latest IPCC report are my sources. Why don't you post your "source" instead of providing none and then slamming me for not believing something I haven't even seen? That is some logic you have going there!

By the way, I do hope that IF you provide a source it isn't to one lone scientist on the payroll of the AEI or such.

cowpotpi3

I do have to wonder why you constantly feel you need to refer to yourself as a centrist in virtually every issue that divides progressives and conservatives. Do you think this somehow makes your opinion more or less valid? Since you'd like us all to read between the lines and draw our own conclusions, how about it seems that this declaration on your part is always followed up with 100% agreement with the conservative point of view. If you constantly come down on one side its a bit hard to see you as a centrist.

KS

Cowpotpi - are you a selective reader on purpose ? I said; "being a jaded centrist, tending toward conservative that I am" - that is not the same as being a centrist - in other words what you assert is BS. The IPCC may be scientists, but these scientists also happen to have a political agenda toward the Inconvenient Truth, that I believe to be an attempt to scare people into compliance with a political agenda - he is in company with them - so don't read any more into it than what I wrote. BTW- the IPCC (who was cited by the UN)is not the only scientists group that weighed in on GW so far. There is global warming - that is indisputable, but not so regarding the causes. So, I disagree with your position on the IPCC.

OK, here is your article that exposes Mote as having a political agenda from a newspaper - Medford, OR.

http://archive.mailtribune.com/archive/2000/february/20200n7.htm

Folks, draw your own conclusions after you read it.

Duffman

KS: think this is a dead link?
CCP3 thank you for your advice; if I thought I had ANYthing to apologize for I would. Nada! :)

KS

Another clip showing him is from YouTube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1wn3Pfb3Fk

Climatologists and Scientists are divided over the causes of global warming. One should dismiss the opinions of those who are working for the Environmental advocacy groups as well as those working for the major oil companies. The mere fact that renowned scientists are divided about this topic sends me the message that there is a debate and there might as well be a betting pool to see who guesses closest to the annual increase in temperature over the Pacific NW standard weather stations over the 25 years. That will settle the debate, but not until then.

cowpotpi3

Just add the following to the URL and you'll get there: n7.html

It is basically some choice exerts from a climate change meeting in Medford. KS, or course, is going to focus in on two items from it. (as he accuses me of selective reading what a laugh):

"Climate change, even though it is not proven, clearly is a very real possibility and seems to be under way already," Mote stressed.

FYI you clearly don't understand science if this is your supposed gotcha. 99% of things (including Gravity, Relativity and many others we take for granted) are THEORIES and are not "proven," in scientific parlances. Of course, this would take more than selective reading to comprehend.

Secondly, George Taylor is the one dissenting voice that the writer chooses to mention. Nuff said there. That is some consensus that Global Warming is not happening.

Now if you'd like to bring up a real source to disprove GW and not one quote in one article written in a Southern Oregon (fair and balanced) newspaper, I'm all ears. However first you should show that you know what peer review means. Please give me your quick definition of the process so I can understand where you're coming from. (we all know those IPCC guys are lefty commies anyway)

cowpotpi3

Climatologists and scientists are divided? Good lord, that whole sentence is wrought with inaccuracy and lack of understanding. First of all, Climatologists are divided all right....like 95% to 5% in the opposite direction from your opinion. Secondly, "scientists" is a big group which doesn't necessarily include people who have expertise in Climatology. Case in point, your poster boy George Taylor: he's a Meteorologist and not a Climatologist. Of course, understanding that nuance would require less selective reading. :)

Sorry for the double post, but I would still like to hear what you know of the peer review process (and whether the noted experts you cite participated). I bet they understand the process and support it too.

mercifurious

Duffy's Hyde goes back to Jeckyl:
"Thanks Sparks..I do respect you." yadda yadda yadda

See I knew it! Just dispense with the Mr. nice-guy polite-act, Duff. We all know you to be a cowardly scumbag who won't stand by his wretched hate filled bile - dodging it much like Tony Snow.

As mentioned, we're not gonna let you get-away with it any more.

Seriously, has anyone here heard Savage, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al describe Cindy Sheehan's loss in such disparaging terms?

"IMHO Cindy Sheehan was no service to this country (or her family). She made a fool of herself and those misguided enough to support her. I doubt her son (as a free-thinking volunteer) would agree with her ridiculous tactics. With all doe respect ma'am you need to do as merci offen suggests STFU...(and quit crying over spilt milk. .. ;"

Again, that's describing the loss of Her Son to spilt milk, and then telling her to STFU

WWJD, Duffy?

Duffman

...biblical quotes from merci! hahaha, that's almost sacreligious..what a joke you are Mr CP&L'ster. Crawl back under your rock now and be a good fellow. :)

cowpotpi3

You gotta admit your recitation of the events sounds really weak Duff. The way it was said seems pretty cut and dried. If you are trying to duck this one...wow that takes a serious lack of personal responsibility (ie like Republicans seem so capable of). I hope for your soul's sake its not.

Duffman

CPP3 thank you so much for the concern of my soul but I shall be happy to answer to my Creator for ALL of my thoughts and deeds. Your concern is duly noted tho and appreciated. I'm sure it was genuine. :)

cowpotpi3

About as genuine as spilt milk.

Duffman

...figured as much. :) have a good life.

mercifurious

CPP3 thank you so much for the concern of my soul but I shall be happy to answer to my Creator for ALL of my thoughts and deeds.

Have you answered the big JC about this rotten fruit?

Duffy's hate-filled bile:
IMHO Cindy Sheehan was no service to this country (or her family). She made a fool of herself and those misguided enough to support her. I doubt her son (as a free-thinking volunteer) would agree with her ridiculous tactics. With all doe respect ma'am you need to do as merci offen suggests STFU...(and quit crying over spilt milk. .. ;)

CPP3 - amen. As cut-n-dry as they come. Once you say these words about someone's loss, you can't really try to Tony Snow yer way out.

PS, Duffman - Nice try trying to cozy back up to Sparky with your psuedo-polite act. Too bad we all now know the real Duff

mercifurious

Challenge for you, Duffman:

Try to find another Wingnut Blatherer who has said worse than you about Cindy Sheehan (and her son).

Again - and just for comparison - your hate-filled bile:
I doubt her son (as a free-thinking volunteer) would agree with her ridiculous tactics. With all doe respect ma'am you need to do as merci offen suggests STFU...(and quit crying over spilt milk. .. ;)

Now find me something worse said about Sheehan by O'Reilly, Limbaugh, or even Savage

Duffman

You sick MF! :)

Duffman

oooooh, do I detect a bit of jealosy about Sparks?...or are you one and the same? What's the matter merci can she /he not speak for themselves.

coiler

I guess Major Ricketts will have to make a come back. Please tell us more Duffs about the gold ole' days.

Duffman

re-coil (and 'aliases')...you try so hard don't you...a lost sheep pobrecito.

coiler

It's not hard at all, you lay all the groundwork for it to happen, okay?

joanie

I believe Mote was in the wrong to fire Mark Albrecht, Asst. State Climatologist, mainly because he did not buy on to the predominantly man-made global warming agenda, which has lately been shown to be akin to belonging to the flat earth society.

Mote is the leader and because he is the leader, he gets to lead. He speaks for WA State and it's view of global warming. George Taylor is considered a right-wing fool by his colleagues at Oregon U - or is it U of O? Can't remember. I posted a link on BW regarding this and what they said . . . don't feel like going back and finding it again. His stature is rather low in the scientific community.

Also, the number is not 1000 peer-reviewed studies but over 2000 per Mote on Monson.

Finally, anybody who compares global warming and thinks fifty-five years is more significant than thirty years is on his/her face an idiot. Thirty to fifty years is a worthless time frame for deducing (or is it inducing?) anything.


Mote would have more credibility if he kept politics out of the debate . . .

I would say that Albrecht is the one who put politics into the debate. Thanks to Mote for keeping science in the debate and firing Albrecht to get politics out of the debate.

Aaaah, KS, you are still KluelesS.

sparky

I thought it was Oregon State...and they came out with the statement that there was no such position as "State Climatologist."

joanie

Wow! Poor George . . . can't get no respect. Wait! Wait! Klueless is still a fan - so I guess all is not lost. Hang in there with your 1% including KluelesS, George.

BTW, notice that in the article it says:

"The Governor says, 'I just think there has to be somebody that says, 'this is the state position on this.' "

Sort of like Mote voicing our state position and Albrecht confusing the issue?

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