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  • Orcinus
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May 25, 2007

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Duffman

Please note with interest that Mrs Clinton voted NO on this (yeah Okay, so did the VP candidate...Obama)

sparky

big whoop..she waited until she knew it would pass and THEN she voted no. Both she and Obama triangulated their timing and vote until it cost them nothing to say no.

Andrew

The greenery is nice, but a nondescript curtainless window? This has the production values of a beheading video.

Duffman

may I infer that you are an 'Edwards' proponent? Too bad he has the stigma of a 'rich kid' who can only pay 'lip service' to the needs of us poor and I doubt he'll be able to shake that image indelibly imprinted in the minds of the American public.
Sorry! :(

Duffman

..but having said that, I will add that he (along with Obama) are better that any one of the Repubs...so, should he somehow be the one - he'd get my vote. :)

Duffman

Fremont: I w/be interested in your call on the Monica Goodling testimony to Congress this week (if, in fact you saw it?).+ or - for Gonzo?...or no effect?

murtz

The Dem leadership knew this was inevitable- it's the arithmetic of the veto. This miserable war isn't going anywhere, and it's killing Republicans. The supplemental funding will be gone in September, and we'll be going through the whole thing again with the Republicans scattering, flip-flopping, and turning on each other. Dem leadership has plenty of time before '08 to kiss back up to the netroots. The only hope for a political turnaround in these sickening developments is an improvement on the ground in Iraq.

Duffman

murtz writes:
"The only hope for a political turnaround in these sickening developments is an improvement on the ground in Iraq."

Your know murtz Al-Sadr could be the key to this whole fiasco!

seattlejew

Despite the simplifying filter of American mass media politics, Clinton and Obama have to face the real possibility that they might actually need to serve as President.

In the real world exiting Iraq is simply not as easy as declaring "Mission Accomplished" and leaving. Nor is it just a matter of leaving the Iraqis to rape and pillage themselves until the place splits into three states. If were to do that we would be giving a huge present to Iran, el Quaeda, and Hamas.

The good news is that withdrawal would strengthen the Kurds and allow them to undermine Iran and Turkey. I say good news because I believe the Kurds have the right of self determination.

The bad news is that in the South, at least temporarily, we would find an Iranian protectorate. one with irredentist policies toward the Saudis and Kuwaitis but also with a potentially far stronger and more cohesive military force than Saddam had PLUS great fifth column skills.

The worse news is in the Sunni areas where Iraqi Sunnis, including the remnant of Saddam's Baathists, would fight it out with el Qaeda and, unfortunately might come to an accommodation. If that happens Kurdistan and Shiastan would have a formidable enemy in their midst.

The worst news is the effect on Paelstine/Israel. The c8urrent mess leaves Syria wea and no realistic threat to Israel. But, either the Shiastan or the Sunniland could and likely would ally with Hamas and Fatah. The resulting chaos in Jordan and Palestine and Israel is hard to imagine.

The best course is to get our troops in Iraq out of the civil war but keep them there to close the borders (belatedly) and prevent the civil war form spreading beyond Sunniland (where most of it is now). From that stance, we wuold be in a position to work with the Iranians, the Europeans, and the Chinese to reach an enforceable peace in Iraq. Rge cost, likely, would be high. We would have to give up Bush's moralistic stance on the Russian and European debts and concede Chinese rights to (horrors) buy oil from the region. We would lose a lot of clout ... but no where near what we would lose by simply withdrawal on Oct, 1,

coiler

We're there to grab the oil, did ya know that the key sticking point in dealing with Sunni insurgents is

Time article

Bushler is willing to take everyone over the cliff with him on this one. He and Cheney are pure evil. It is patriotic to stop them.

Nevets

If both Hillary and Obama had seen this would they have voted no.

sarge

hillary and obama did both vote no. murray and cantwell and norm dicks voted yes. we will not forget.

3rd Party Voter

The sooner the American People realize that the two party scam exists to divide and conquer the working class, and to act as the New Rome, the sooner the American People can correct the situation.

But some like to hate Nader, who, by the way would have made a much better president than the yokels he ran against.

And most don't give a damn that about half of the eligible don't even vote.

Ron Paul and/or Mike Gravel would put a stop to this crap AS SOON AS EITHER was elected.

But the Elites tell us they're "unelectable" and the sheep repeat, lather, rinse and repeat.

uggg

seattlejew

Ok

rapidly withdraw, then what?

joanie

I like Darcy's ad. At first I didn't - thought it was schmaltzy - but realizing it was targeting Memorial Day, I think it is just right.

Now, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying at the Young Turks. They are just having a ball at the expense of the Republican candidates. It is Air America 2.0 debut weekend and they're having fun with that too. Loving it!

For Duff, Cenk just said that Hillary was further right than he was when he was a Republican. She's Mrs. Wall Street I'm telling you.

Sparky, I think Jill is a casualty of 2.0. :)

Duffman

We can forgive him...after all he's a lawyer isn't he? No, she's not Mrs W.S. - but she does understand all of the BS that goes along with politics and she uses it to her advantage. She was very brave to cast that recent 'no' vote and that gave me even more confidence in her independent thinking ability.
Hillary = POTUS

joanie

You're dreamin' Duff. Everybody but you knows she's Mrs. Wall Street - just like her husband. Where do you get your information?

Who you once a Republican? Are you still?

joanie

Make that "Were you . . . " :)

joanie

SigAlert! Third Post! SigAlert!

Al Gore will discuss his new book The Assault on Reason on CSpan Book TV at 9 pm. Heard him last night on Charlie Rose. He's so good! He would make such a great Pres!

Duffman

Was never a Repub -per se, I did vote for Nixon tho. :)
Saw AG on Larry King l/week - he was not 'good' in my eyes...I just can't bring myself to liking that guy...although I w/probably vote for him?..:), but what do I know...I voted for Nixon :)

mercifurious

Joanie,
You're dreamin' Duff. Everybody but you knows she's Mrs. Wall Street - just like her husband. Where do you get your information?

Uh oh Joanie. You just hit Duffy in the Achilles Heel. Don't you dare ask him to provide *shudder* evidence

Oh and Duff. Thanks for finally admitting to being a GOP shill - and Nixon no less! (Ratfuckers of the same feather)

Here's the big question, Duff: Who did you vote for in 2001/2004?

C'mon. Your a tough Christian soldier, Duff. Be brave and tell us the truth.

joanie

And I want to know if you voted for Nixon in 60 or 68 or both?

Duffman

Only in '68 Joanie...Dem ever since. :)[How old do you think I am anyway...I'm still a youngster...ha :)]

merci: since you can't seem to be civil, I'll continue to let you flounder in your rhetorical feces!

sarge

I can't stand reading this string anymore it is so infested with duffman talking about himself or people talking about duffman. This site used to have great comments, now it is down to three people talking about duffman. who gives a shit?

Duffman

Well sarge, I think I've 'talked about myself' enough now, why don't we talk about you...and what you think of me? :)
..and who cares whether you can stand reading this string...no one is twisting your arm to read and/or participate!

Tommy008

Good news for those that want my novel to be published. I've go t the old Dell fired up and working on all cylinders- ready to revise and transcribe to hard copy the chapters on the old 3 and 1/2 inch floppy disks, so I can send samples out to the New York and other agents. . For those of you on this board that are surly, sour critics of my work- well, actually there is really only one- you'll soon find out that you're sick and wrong, when Elliot Bay Books proudly displays my first novel. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHHH

joanie

Congratulations, Tommy! I love writers! I always wanted to be an editor . . . but who knew how to do it when I was a kid. Besides, you had to go to New York and I wasn't brave enough! Here's to your first edition!

Duffman

Ditto joanie, T008...go for it!!!

joanie

Sarge, I agree. It has been very boring lately. But, what have you written to help? I like conversation which is why I've been engaging Duff lately.

I loved your comment about splenda in the grass because I well remember that movie and the poem . . . but, where were we supposed to take that?

It is a holiday weekend, you know. Talk to us! (If you really were a sarge, I bet you don't wanna talk politics with us . . . ?)

joanie

BTW, on something that I listened to last night - I was cruising everything at once - I heard a discussion about media - oh, sorry, I remember! - it was Al Gore. He was asked what happened to make media so poor at keeping us educated and democracy alive and well.

He said two things: public ownership of the airwaves demanded that the public good be served and owners and managers bent over backwards to make that happen - I can't remember how he put this but it was powerful; and the abolishment of the fairness doctrine under Reagan put the final nail in the coffin of any sort of public good and the need to represent both sides of issues. He said something like "public amusement" overtook "public good."

He didn't overstate the case for the fairness doctrine but talked in measured terms and reasonably about the dumbing down of the media.

Harry Shearer interviewed him. I like Shearer as a comedian - he's a smart, witty guy. But, I don't like him much as an interviewer. He tries to be a little too witty. Just ask questions and let a wise and learned man like Gore talk. He's gotten so good at it!

sarge

Most of us just like to read. Many sites have comments that are as good or better than the owners postings. I don;'t feel the compunction as duffman obviously does to offer an opinion to each thing that's offered in these strings. I am a reader, not a writer, I know I am boring. When I come here and see in the side columns that half of the entries are duffman, I tend to skip the comments threads. I love the meaty on-topic discussions at Postman, Evergreen politics, even Sound Politics. (I nevber read horsesass's comments- too nasty) wish it were great here as it used to be.

sig

Can Duffman be banned for being an ass?

joanie

Aha! Sarge, those are all political blogs. Michael has a more difficult job: his is a radio blog. But he slants it as much as he can to the political.

I don't know why people don't post as much as they used to on the political . . . I used to post on Postman and HA (under different names - you'd know me on HA if I told you!) but I just don't like spending so much time on blogs. I like the family and familiarity on BW. Not many women on HA (too rough!) or Postman (too many commentaries to keep up with but I think a good blog). Greater diversity on BW.

Lately I feel like I'm the only one who even wants politics here, Providing some feedback, Sarge, about your take on things would be nice. I'm a reader, too. :)
Glad you're still with us Sig! I think you should talk once in a while, too.

chucks

I'm with joanie on the politics thing. Some how we can twist radio into politics and can have fun and maybe gather a little insight.
Does anyone suppose that maybe our Senators voted the way they did because they recognize that this evil war is necessary? That they play to the nut cases to get elected and hold power, but when it comes down to time to put up, they really did vote for the good of our nation. Maybe they do know what is going on in the mid east and really know that we must win.
Clinton and Edwards are just working the system to get the nomination in 08. They just can not be honest with the extreme left and win.

joanie

Does anyone suppose that maybe our Senators voted the way they did because they recognize that this evil war is necessary?

NO! Pure CYA and nothing more, chucks.

Our presence is fueling the insurgency and it will not abate until we leave. You really hate the Iraqi people and you think they are all so stupid, don't you, chucks?

sparky

Part of the Memorial Day Op-Ed in the Washington Post, written by a father who lost his son in the Iraq War:

"Memorial Day orators will say that a G.I.'s life is priceless. Don't believe it. I know what value the U.S. government assigns to a soldier's life: I've been handed the check. It's roughly what the Yankees will pay Roger Clemens per inning once he starts pitching next month.
Money maintains the Republican/Democratic duopoly of trivialized politics. It confines the debate over U.S. policy to well-hewn channels. It preserves intact the cliches of 1933-45 about isolationism, appeasement and the nation's call to "global leadership." It inhibits any serious accounting of exactly how much our misadventure in Iraq is costing. It ignores completely the question of who actually pays. It negates democracy, rendering free speech little more than a means of recording dissent.
This is not some great conspiracy. It's the way our system works."

sparky

Part of the NY Times Memorial Day Op-Ed:

It’s upsetting to think that Mr. Bush believes the raging sectarian violence in Iraq awaits reigniting, or that he does not recognize that Americans’ support for the war broke down many bloody months ago. But we have grown accustomed to this president’s disconnect from reality and his habit of tilting at straw men, like Americans who don’t care about terrorism because they question his mismanagement of the war or don’t worry about what will happen after the United States withdraws, as it inevitably must.

The really disturbing thing about Mr. Bush’s comments is his painting of the war in Iraq as an obvious-to-everyone-but-the-wrongheaded fight between the United States and a young Iraqi democracy on one side, and Al Qaeda on the other. That fails to acknowledge that the Shiite-dominated government of Iraq is not a democracy and is at war with many of its own people. And it removes all pressure from the Iraqi leadership — and Mr. Bush — to halt the sectarian fighting and create a real democracy.

Duffman

Can Duffman be banned for being an ass?
Brilliant!
Now wouldn't that be the epitome of true progressive liberal values.
teacher, teacher can we ban Duffman...he's being an ass
:-(
...YEAH, that's the solution isn't it...just BAN everything you don't like or agree with...what a great society you espouse.

seattlejew

Joanie ..

If it were only that simple. The probolme we have is an irridentist POSUS on one side and KOS with his withdraw at all costs Mantra in the other. In the middle is a HUGE majority who would vote for withdrawal if there were a strategic plan for accomplishing this.

At a minimum, in order to withdraw, we need a policy and the means to:

1. Secure the lives of those who have chosen to side with us. This means assuring the security of the Kurds and individuals in Shia and Sunni areas.

2, Prevent a takeover in the South by Iran OR a Shiite Islamic government that would ally itself with the IR of Iran. can you imagine a well governed Shia army on the Kuwaiti/Saudi border?

3. Have in place a plan to pacify the Israeli/Palestinian front.

All of these are doable, but probably NOT by the Bush regime. Their incompetence, moreover, would be balmed on the left while loikley enciting a world wide energy crisis.

So we have a catch 22. Enforce a withdrawal to be run by the Bus4shies or play for enough time to get a responsible set of adults into power.

Grace

'ban Duffman'
That's the only decent idea I've read on this fuckin blog in a long time. And the rest of the idots who have way too much time on their hands. Don't you people EVERY WORK!!!!

seattlejew

Sarge, Joanie

You guys are welcome over at Seattlejew. I get a lot of readers but very few comments on the outrageous things I say (grin).

chucks

No joannie, I do not hate the Iraqi people (well, at least not most of them). The Iraqi's that I do correspond with have fully functional brains and dreams of peace and freedom. I hope that one day soon, they can have what I enjoy here.
You are right. Our being in Iraq has been a magnet for Al Quada. Yep, they are in Iraq. Our Marines, Army, Navy, and Air Force are dealing with them in Iraq. Yep, that is where they are. They are prepared to meet Allah and the 72 happy virgins. Our troops are brave and more than happy to help them reach their goal.
Sorry joanie. You and I will never agree on this and that is ok by me. Does not make either one of us evil or stupid. Just, one day, one of us will be proven wrong. As long as the troops believe in their mission, I will remain loyal to them.

sparky

YeAH..don'T we EVERY wErk??

joanie

Money maintains the Republican/Democratic duopoly of trivialized politics

Which is why 3rd Party Voter is right. The two parties trivialize democracy by serving the interests of Wall Street. I'm trying to convince myself to work for Kucinich again. He is the best in the field . . . but he pooped out towards the end last time. Don't know if I want to take a chance again or not. We no longer have parties but cults. The Christian/Neocon/Wall Street cult and the Wall Street cult.

I've heard good things about Ron Paul. Just don't know enough about him. School's a bitch right now and I haven't been keeping up with the debates.

Ok -JEW: rapidly withdraw, then what?"


Just who said "rapidly" withdraw? If we had "slowly" withdrawn when most of us thought it was time, we'd be out by now. What's wrong with that, Jew?

And if we did rapidly withdraw which I'm pretty close to endorsing, what then? Well, then there would be chaos and violence - the same thing we have now. But, without us.

But, nobody has said that.(well, I did a long time ago!) Every candidate that wants us out thinks we could get the region and the UN to help. Slow withdrawal, more monitored money to the IraqI people to actually do the work of rebuilding their country, and then resolution - no matter what it looks like. We made the mess. We'll just have to live with the guilt. And our kids will have to live with the bill.

Cheney, Bush and all the other profiteers certainly won't be helping out, now will they?

I'm not afraid of Iran.

Grace

Why dont you just go back to cutting and pasting Spatky, that seems to be what you do best.
What a bunch of panty-wastes.

joanie

Ok -JEW: rapidly withdraw, then what?"

Trying to close the italics!

joanie

I'm in trouble now! Italics everywhere!

Earthlink went down again! You all posted between my post and getting it posted. So sorry.

Jew, I've looked at your blog more than once. It is a good one. I never read KOS . . . so didn't know he was for pulling out immediately. Honestly, I would take an immediate pull out before leaving our girls and guys there another month at this point.

But, the Dems are not looking at it that way. And with Tim Johnson (?) semi conscious or whatever and Lieberman playing his Judas role of Republican, the Dems really aren't in charge. They certainly haven't been very creative in how they're handling all this . . . right now big bully Bush looks "strong."

Murtha has had a strategic plan on the table for months. Other plans are out there. It isn't the a HUGE majority who would vote for withdrawal in the middle. Did you listen to the debate in the House on the bill? Did you hear the same old emotional politicking on the part of the Republicans? Did you see Boner (excuse the absent e please) crying on the floor? No, it is politics as usual with these brain-dead (no wonder they all related to Schiavo) Republicans.

"1. Secure the lives of those who have chosen to side with us. This means assuring the security of the Kurds and individuals in Shia and Sunni areas."

I honestly don't think this is a problem. Is there oil up there? I don't think so. Shia and Sunni areas? An awful lot of them have already fallen. Can't the Saudis and Iran working with the UN handle this?

"2, Prevent a takeover in the South by Iran OR a Shiite Islamic government that would ally itself with the IR of Iran. can you imagine a well governed Shia army on the Kuwaiti/Saudi border?"

I am not concerned with Iran. We are making Iran into a much bigger threat than it otherwose would have been. JEW, I think you are propagandized as well when it comes to Iran. Let's wait and see . . . if the region became that unstable, we would certainly have reason to intervene. But, I disagree with that prognosis.

"3. Have in place a plan to pacify the Israeli/Palestinian front. "

C'mon Jew, how long has that been attempted . . . one thing at a time, please.

I know, you are advocating for a global, thoughtful and constructive plan to heal the Middle East. There is no possibility of that currently. If we can't get our own house in order, how can we possibly get their houses in order? We must do what we can to save ourselves and trust that the region will help itself.


"All of these are doable, but probably NOT by the Bush regime. Their incompetence, moreover, would be balmed on the left while loikley enciting a world wide energy crisis.

Exactly.

"So we have a catch 22. Enforce a withdrawal to be run by the Bus4shies or play for enough time to get a responsible set of adults into power."

Oh, yes, and won't the tens of thousands who die or become disabled between now and then thank you for that.

JEW, I think you may know more than I do about the politics of the Middle East . . . but even among experts, agreement is hard to find. I think we must get ourselves out of their politics. I think we must trust that they are both peaceful and intelligent enough to decide for themselves.

Duffman

I tend to agree with joanie's statement with the exception of using the poor Ms Schiavo in that way and in her apparent disregard for the Iran threat.
I think this could very well be Mrs Clinton's biggest chore when she takes office. Some big decisions are going to be necessary in regard to Iran. We're not talking conventional weapons threat (which is bad enough), but we're on the verge of dealing with a very real nuclear threat from a very unstable leadership and one that does not even recognize Isreal as having a right to live? Taking this lightly would be tantamount to disaster and then you would be talking about one heck of a lot more lives at risk. And in my opinion using the late Ms Schiavo as a negative comparison in making a point is unkind. Sorry joanie - no offense but I think that was wrong. The Repubs/administration don't need any help in portraying themselves as inept...the whole world can see that.

joanie

chucks: The Iraqi's that I do correspond with have fully functional brains and dreams of peace and freedom.

That's BS chucks.

You are right. Our being in Iraq has been a magnet for Al Quada. Yep, they are in Iraq. Our Marines, Army, Navy, and Air Force are dealing with them in Iraq. Yep, that is where they are. They are prepared to meet Allah and the 72 happy virgins. Our troops are brave and more than happy to help them reach their goal.

What a sorry piece of writing, chucks. Have you ever heard of the "banality of evil?" You oughta check it out on Wiki. You might read a little on Eichmann and the notion of Good Germans as well. Such jingoism and stereotyping tells an awful lot about your education chucks.

By the way, are you well-read enough to know that the Al-Queda in Iraq currently is not the same as the Al-Queda that caused 9-11? Or do you even care? The insurgency is made up of people from all over the region who hate us. They are so much more diverse than Al-Queda ever was. And they will keep coming. You live in your ignorant bubble chucks and spew your talking point nursery rhymes while the rest of us get on with intelligent discussion.


As long as the troops believe in their mission, I will remain loyal to them.

Blind loyalty again? How do you know the troops believe in their mission? Perhaps you are not a reader . . . since some of the troops do not believe in their mission. Or are they less worthy?

Again, you are your father's killer.

joanie

We're not talking conventional weapons threat (which is bad enough), but we're on the verge of dealing with a very real nuclear threat from a very unstable leadership and one that does not even recognize Isreal as having a right to live?


Taking this lightly would be tantamount to disaster and then you would be talking about one heck of a lot more lives at risk.

Duffman, you talk like a potted plant sometimes. What country is the only country to have used the bomb?

Why do you think Iran wants the bomb? The only countries we seem to bully are those without it. Until they have it, they will continually be vulnerable to ignorant Americanism and bullying administrations. We aren't exactly going after North Korea, now are we?

So you, like chucks, think Iran is just waiting to nuke everybody.

What a couple of dunces you are. There is no country more warlike than we are - except some third-world countries where they, too, have put all their money and faith into the military.

Neither of you have a clue about Islam. Neither of you care to find out. You see yourselves through rose-colored glasses. If mirrors projected truth, you two would be Dorian Grays and all the menace you spew would be evident to you.

Neither of you knows a whit about Iran or anything else about which you pretend to be knowledgable. You are the ugly Americans.

And in my opinion using the late Ms Schiavo as a negative comparison in making a point is unkind.

I didn't use anybody. It was a fitting reference. Lose the stupid pc and starting thinking like an educated individual. All that pc and dim-witted "niceness" is what makes you so boring, Duffman.


You two are insufferable sometimes.

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