There's an effort by right wingers to smear David Goldstein and his radio show (KIRO Saturdays, Sundays, 7-10) with his employers.
KIRO management has been getting a minor flood of e-mail accusing Goldy of using hate speech; compares him to the bombastic former KIRO talker Mike Webb; and claims he trashes Mormons.
They say he rants on and on about nothing of substance.
"They clearly want to deny me the forum," says Goldstein.
But many of Goldy's fans and critics say that he's wonkish and too substantive if anything.
"I've never heard him say anything hateful," says Crikey, a silver-headed long time listener who'd prefer not to use her real name, "sometimes I wish he would."
Goldstein engages callers and guests in a rabbinical sort of way- he's good at debate having honed his skills growing up around a Jewish dinner table.
Nothing like Webb who used to hang up even on his own guests when the debate went over his head.
This campaign- especially the alleged anti-Mormonism is designed to attract negative attention to Goldy by the new KIRO owners, Bonneville International, that's wholly owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
(The new owners are nowhere to be seen over at Eastlake, yet- although they've been spotted lurking the dank hallways of BlatherWatch. KIRO staffers are waiting for ashoe to drop- and a new PD and GM to appear. Stay tuned here for the latest developments which promise to come sooner than later).
OrbusMax, that mighty comspindium of right-wing news, headlined this week: 710 KIRO TALK SHOW HOST'S WEBSITE: Right-wing are 'retards' for comparing Clinton firing of 93 attorneys... and links to Goldy's blog where co-blogger Will used the word 'retard' in a post.
Orb was plainly attempting to attach Goldy and KIRO to the politically incorrect, but common epithet, that Will wrote.
Is Orb part of the half-Vast Right-wing Conspiracy?
Although Goldstein says he'd never censor Will, he says "I haven't used the word "retard" on my blog and would never say it on the radio." But not using it is more about writing style than worrying about offending anyone- after all, Goldy's the guy who once famously headlined, "Luke Esser Fucks Pigs," over a post about satire.
(Ever notice how the right- always scornful of the dictums of political correctness- never fails to use it when it suits them?)
Conservatives don't like to hear anything they don't agree with, and David Goldstein's ascent into the airwaves has particularly galled the Sound Politics ("all politics are yokel") crowd.
(This week there was foofarah on SP you'd never see on a liberal site- about whether to ban a liberal commenter, who calls himself David Mathews.; who isn't a flamer and he doesn't have a "potty mouth," (o horrors). At worst, he gets off-topic- tactically changing the subject to suit his liberal agenda. In the hot discussion which strirred up some 185 commenters, many said the threads were for conservatives and they didn't want to hear any moonbat interlopers' dissenting voice. The deciders at Sound Politics, to their credit, finally decided not to ban the poor sap, but we were reminded by the very debate why we're liberals. SP frequently deletes comments they don't agree with- a practice that brands them the ears closed la-la-la conservatives they are).
Don't know who's out to trash Goldstein, but they obviously don't know that radio management knows that talk hosts who generate mail, must be doing something right.
Goldy is as harsh as a cashmere sweater.
THEN there is Sheirs. Abusive, dishonest,...........
Posted by: SeattleJew | March 22, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Looks like local rightwingers are taking lessons from Karl Rove on how to seize on a small fissure such as Goldstein's joking about Eyman being "the faggiest"(actually quoting The Stranger) and combine that with a few other things like the 'RETARD" blog (AGAIN NOT A DIRECT gOLDSTEIN QUOTE) and trying to drive a wedge into that little fissure until it hopefully, for them, cracks open wider. This is the same thing that Ann Coulter is trying to do to John Edwards, along with help from college dropout scumbag Limbaugh and Ivy League scumbag Laura Ingraham, who both constantly call Edwards "the Breck girl".
Posted by: Tommy008 | March 22, 2007 at 03:42 AM
Hopefully nothing to worry about. Haven't they put "swiftboating" into the dictionary yet? It is a tried and true conservative tactic. When will people wise up?
Posted by: joanie | March 22, 2007 at 07:50 AM
I like bushwacking as a term ... more accurate.
Posted by: SeattleJew | March 22, 2007 at 08:21 AM
This is nothing new Bla'M. Orb has had a granite hard-on for Goldy since KIRO brought him aboard. Orb is always grabbing ahold of Goldy's stuff & then providing links to KIRO for his pitchfork mob. I seem to remember Orbi whining (aroused)about Goldy's Saddam/Rumsfeld photo after Saddam was executed. blah-blah-wah-wah
As mentioned here:
Conservative Information Black-Hole (Busted!)
This is just more of the same in the reverse.
Why anyone would trust anything fronted by the Orb is beyond everyone else.
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 09:11 AM
Why don't they get Stefan Sharkansky on the radio? He can speak English, he's a conservative, and he doesn't whine like Goldy.
Posted by: marty | March 22, 2007 at 09:30 AM
You blue-wavers crack me up. A website devoted to trashing conservative talk show hosts while puffing up most liberals on the air - and I am accused of being part of a 'conspiracy' for occasionally pointing out things one host says? Too funny.
All I did was point out the use of the word 'retard' on Goldy's site, which to a lot a people is as offensive as the n-word.
Goldy uses his website to promote his show and vice versa, so it's fair game to point out he's a talk show host when controversial stuff appears on his site.
Using Goldy's own logic: it's not my problem that you inferred that I implied. I have never orchestrated an e-mail campaign to get rid of Goldy, or Webb, or anyone else. I haven't even posted email addresses in a long time. What people choose to do on their own is out of my hands.
Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelers. But thanks for the laugh.
Posted by: The Orb | March 22, 2007 at 10:24 AM
So wait a second...the guy repeated a quote from someone else and the above idiot is smearing him for it? So I guess anything you've ever repeated that has been said by others makes you guilty by association too? Wow truly insipid logic there. By the way, I think if anyone is hurting it's clearly you for bothering to make the effort to show up in this so-called liberal cesspool to whine.
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | March 22, 2007 at 10:39 AM
Why does Jim Walker call himself OrbusMax? Is he a Transformers fan?
All I know is he stole my schtick, okay?
Posted by: Matt Drudge | March 22, 2007 at 10:40 AM
We're here to entertain and delight you, Orb. That's our job, and we appreciate your appreciation.
It's no problem that you imply and we infer. We go out to lunch frequently on inferences of your implications.
And we never meant to imply you orchestrated any campaigns for or against anyone. The right wing blogoshere doesn't seem to be very good at political orchestration, and we know that you play a fair game.
Posted by: blathering michael | March 22, 2007 at 10:53 AM
Clarification to Cowpie:
The "above idiot" didn't smear Goldy over the Stranger quotes - Dori Monson brought it up on his show to highlight one of Goldy's many hypocrisies. If you have a problem, take it up with Dori.
Posted by: Orbusmax | March 22, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Huh? how did Dori get into this? Orb, are you getting "unhinged?"
Posted by: Sid | March 22, 2007 at 11:02 AM
All this coming from the Orb, who (like his troll Duffy), loves to cite wingnut blogs, that cite wingnut blogs, that cite nothing, and then (when called on his BS) eventually sends me an artice via email from Erutz Sheve - an Israeli periodical that is so far-right, the Israeli Gov won't give them a license.
Note: Even Erutz Sheve neglected to provide any "paper" or "report" for Orbi's big headline: "Report: Gulf States Prepared to back US Military Strikes on Iran"
Orb - just offer a retraction like a responsible journalist.
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 11:06 AM
Goldstein is a far left secular activist. Sounds like the "right wing blogosphere" is keeping an eye on him as they should. Please write to KIRO and complain about him. People like him aid and abet those Islamo-facists who would kill all of us. He is a traitor who lends a hand to defeat our country's best interests with his appeasement to our avowed enemies, and moral relativism marked by obscenity and blasphemy. That he is allowed to spout his hatred on the airwaves is a sign that the end is near. :)
Posted by: michelle | March 22, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Thanks Michael, you and I hardly ever agree, but I like your site and you are always pretty cordial to me, I try to do the same for you, you whackjob.
Merci: not only won't I retract, but I am going to re-link it back on my site, at the top, in flashing red white and blue letters, in 32-point. And then blame Goldstein and the vast left-wing conspiracy for trying to suppress the truth. And then fire up the automated KIRO mass-mailer complaint engine. Thanks for the reminder.
I may have to start checking out the comments more often, you blue wave screwballs are pretty good entertainment.
Gingrich/DeLay in '08,
The Orb
Posted by: Orbusmax | March 22, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Welcome back, Red Rachel!
Note to Michelle/Rachel: Frosty Hardison - FedWay school whiney-pants who disputes global warming... and believes in sounder scientific theories like the world is 14,000 years old - believes that the earth will end on June 7th, 2007 (interview w/ Dave Ross)
So you're not alone!
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Merci: not only won't I retract, but I am going to re-link it back on my site, at the top, in flashing red white and blue letters, in 32-point.
Excellent. Will you again use a wingnut blog linked to a wingnut blog linked to nothing as a source?
Glad I could be of service in helping the Orb find his journalistic integrity. I think...
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Gingrich/DeLay in '08
Please tell me he's not joking.
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Orb: Finally, we can agree to agree: YES! Gingrich/Delay in '08! now if we can only get George W. Bush to endorse them early...
Posted by: blathering michael | March 22, 2007 at 11:47 AM
Michael,
GW won't endorse Gingrich/Delay. In fact, I am hearing he is planning to declare martial law next summer for the sole purpose of cancelling elections and staying in the White House.
But please don't infer that I am implying any of this. I am just repeating what others have said. I would never say it myself.
Rossi/Eyman for Co-Governors,
Orb
Posted by: Orbusmax | March 22, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Orb: we're past the imply-infer stage here- the Half-vast Right Wing conspiracy is out in the open, now.
Liberals have a massive army of illegal aliens- mostly child molesters, and mother rapers - waiting just inside the Texas border to counter the Bush coup next summer.
Republicans should drop Rossi from that ticket- he's a proven loser- "6-gun Pam" Roach or Bob "Mr. Excitement" Williams might be a better pick if you can't get Dori.
Posted by: blathering michael | March 22, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Oh, it's gotten even better over at Un(sp). The minnow is now going down the old Mike Siegel "Everyone that disagrees with me is a child molester, and the great cabal of molesters are in power and don't want you to know the truth," that ended up getting Siegel fired from KVI years ago. Apparently, what ever ounce of sense the minnow had, it has left the building.
But good for you for noting that the most popular post in a long time on SP is the one discussing whether they should get rid of a liberal commentator. Yep, talk about a free forum for expression.
Posted by: JDB | March 22, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Sorry Michael, but the Rossi/Eyman ticket is a guaranteed winner. How do I know? Because over the weekend, as part of my upgrade, I tweaked the super-secret mass-mailer engine to send out information to Washington voters who voted for Gregoire, explaining why they made a mistake. So far, I have over 200 responses of people who voted for Gregoire, who will vote Republican in the next gubernatorial election - more than enough to overcome the Queen's
1299387756352 vote margin last time. Avoid the letdown later on and just concede a Gregoire loss now. It's all over.Posted by: The Orb | March 22, 2007 at 12:20 PM
Hey Orb: what's wrong with 52 more votes? a miss is as good as a mile...
Posted by: blathering michael | March 22, 2007 at 12:27 PM
"Excellent. Will you again use a wingnut blog linked to a wingnut blog linked to nothing as a source?"
The term wingnut applies to the far left as well as the far right. Actually, the right has crowned the far left as moonbats, while the left has called the right "Rethugs". Both sides will continue ad nauseum with the crazy talk.
Goldstein calls himself a left-wing activist on the radio. Fair enough - alot of us now know that his show is predicated on feeelings and emotions used in place of logic and common sense.
Posted by: KS | March 22, 2007 at 12:35 PM
The term wingnut applies to the far left as well as the far right. Actually, the right has crowned the far left as moonbats, while the left has called the right "Rethugs". Both sides will continue ad nauseum with the crazy talk
EXCELLENT! And thank-you KS. I was wondering who had left this anonypuss post. (Next time grow some minerals.) As mentioned there, if you can find em, show us!
But notice that neither here nor there, KS failed to refute the expose' on Orbi's info la-la-land.
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 12:40 PM
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UPDATING.........
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Translated out of orbuspeak:
"Need to somehow escape unscathed"
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 12:53 PM
Nothing wrong with it. It's just a little concerning the elections office couldn't count right the first time, to figure out how many ballots needed to be "found" to declare Gregoire the winner. But there's enough cushion to overcome the bad math now, thanks to me.
Posted by: The Orb | March 22, 2007 at 01:10 PM
Mercifurious - I really don't care what you think - its little more than baseless wingnut mumbo-jumbo.
Posted by: KS | March 22, 2007 at 01:11 PM
See how this guy wastes his time? Now you know why we fired him.
Posted by: Orb's Former Boss | March 22, 2007 at 01:30 PM
Wow, I misunderestimated the obsession with my website. The fact that angry blue wavers spend their free time complaining about me shows I am having the effect they dread. Good stuff. Keep up the tolerance.
Posted by: The Orb | March 22, 2007 at 01:49 PM
Nothing wrong with it. It's just a little concerning the elections office couldn't count right the first time, to figure out how many ballots needed to be "found" to declare Gregoire the winner.
Remind me again, Orbi.
This was the same election that was declared for Gregoire by GOP Sec of State Sam Reed, right?
..and then when Rossi went to an ultra-conservative Chelan court to overturn the results, the judge tossed out the case stating:
"To do so within the context of the facts of this case would constitute the ultimate act of judicial egotism and judicial activism."
Same election, right? Conservatives agree: Rossi lost!
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 01:56 PM
Regarding Dori "the numbers man" Monson's debate with Goldstein over the latter's supposed hate speech during a podcast of Drinking Liberally- Once again the self-professed savant Monson (he once boasted of being able to multiply three digit numbers in his head amazingly fast) is not as smart as he thinks he is. Anyone with a freshman college class in logic under their belt knows that that Goldstein QUOTING the phrase "he's the faggiest", from an article in a gay-friendly magazine with a gay publisher and several gay staffers does not equate at all with Ann Coulter calling John Edwards (whether slyly or not) a "faggot" in front of an ant-gay conservative audience. Sorry, Dori. Not even in the same league.
Posted by: Tommy008 | March 22, 2007 at 02:05 PM
I doubt that there is much effort involved in debunking your attempts to make your far-right (talking) points. Proving that you have no evidence and exist in an amoral intellectual vacuum doesn't mean anyone is fixated on 'you.' Basically this is what happened: You make inane claim backed up by a bunch of nuts, someone calls you on it. Your only recourse (since you're just flat wrong) is to call someone a lefty. Sound about right? Infantile and dare I say typical of the constituency you target.
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | March 22, 2007 at 02:07 PM
It's not that you get under our skin. How could you? Your schtick is posting links to OTHER people's content. You're just a hack who rips off Drudge. Try something original in your next life, ya know?
Posted by: Orb's Roommate | March 22, 2007 at 02:16 PM
Dori is doing Peter Weisbach's shtick - ie, "the value of one's life's energy."
Anybody know where ole Pete is nowadays?
Re: Orb
You do a good job posting other people's work and coming up with those righty pseudo-pithy sensationalist headlines.
Posted by: Pilgrim | March 22, 2007 at 02:40 PM
What is this orbus shit anyway?
Posted by: Derek Small | March 22, 2007 at 02:49 PM
Yes I'm also listening as little Mr. Dori is doing his "life energy" theory this afternoon. Weisbach is obviously considered too odious by even the rightwingers to merit a regular slot anymore, since he only pops out of his slimy hole for an occaisional fillin nowadays. Weisbach is a fascist, and as i posted yesterday, Monson is also a fascist. He's gradually been transformed into one, from his original "conservative/libertarian" persona, like the proverbial frog in the boiling water , during the past 6-7 years of W. Bush.
Posted by: Tommy008 | March 22, 2007 at 02:50 PM
Why are you blue wavers so angry and hateful? Not that I mind, it's pretty funny reading all the insane, hypocritical, foaming at the mouth commentary. But it can't be good for your health. Try exhaling a little more often.
Your pal,
The Orb
Posted by: The Orb | March 22, 2007 at 03:08 PM
like the frog in the pot, Monson of course doesn't consider himself to now be a fascist, but simply the same conservative/libertarian that he's always been. Everyone on this blog who's not wearing Repug blinders has commented that Monson seems to have changed much for the worse over the past years.
Posted by: Tommy008 | March 22, 2007 at 03:10 PM
Hate is what is needed to change the filth in the white house, ya know? But you can call it desire. And it is good for our health, can't be for yours however, our side is winning.
Posted by: coiler | March 22, 2007 at 03:37 PM
You guys did in fact win the battle this past November. No doubt about it. You may go ahead and enjoy your victory. Do not worry about us. We will just put our tails between our legs while Miss Nancy and her puppy Harry do what they feel that they must for the rest of this congress.
David spews no hate, just venom. It is good for all of us that he gets it off his chest. I for one am learning to like listening to his program on KIRO. Some of my friends suggest that Goldy is an idiot. I say no, that he is an honest reflection of Seattle and its politics. Where else can you get the likes of Sims, McDermott and Nichols.
People in Seattle and King County are some of the nicest most caring on earth. But you sure are nuts when it comes to voting.
Posted by: chucks | March 22, 2007 at 04:05 PM
Hey Orb- you ever read all the warm and loving commenters over at Horse's Ass? they're the very picture of Christian love and conservative values. You kinda gotta worry about them a little more than us, though- they're armed!
Posted by: blathering michael | March 22, 2007 at 04:06 PM
Bla'M:
You mean the pitchfork rabble that Orbi sends to Horse's Ass or Freerepublic? (not that there's a difference)
As I've long warned folks about playing happy-myspace-friends with Freerepers: they're more than likely impotent-positive (m), libido-negative (f), and well-armed (both)
(and all, of course, unhinged)
Posted by: mercifurious | March 22, 2007 at 04:21 PM
Derek...Orbus used to show up on the KIRO chat when Erin Hart was on the air...'nuf said.
Posted by: sparky | March 22, 2007 at 05:36 PM
a lot of freepers showed up there, Penius, 9 mm penis, orbus,alkijeff, I remember those...
Posted by: coiler | March 22, 2007 at 06:30 PM
REEK PUBLIC CAN = A Porta-Potty in desperate need of servicing..
Posted by: Donkey O.T. | March 22, 2007 at 06:42 PM
Where can we email the suits at KIRO to let them know how much we like Goldy?
Posted by: Dana | March 22, 2007 at 06:48 PM
"Monson is also a fascist. He's gradually been transformed into one, from his original "conservative/libertarian" persona, like the proverbial frog in the boiling water , during the past 6-7 years of W. Bush."
He's ugly, too.
Posted by: Dana | March 22, 2007 at 06:51 PM
oh I remember 9mm :->
Posted by: sparky | March 22, 2007 at 06:57 PM