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February 23, 2007

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Duffman

...it's coming into focus now

joanie

You admit we had it better, easier and with more tools in our toolkits so why are you so hard on people who can't seem to make it now?

And, Duffman, if you can't think of anything intelligent to offer, keep it to yourself.

Duffman

..you see the solution is to have the WEA 'mentor' our corporations so that proper decisions will be made..ha
by posting here I feel I am keeping it to myself...remember 'ignore'

joanie

Well, Duff, with nonsense like that you deserve to be ignored. Another post like that will fade into the ether . . .

Duffman

I'm sorry I guess I forgot to ask whether I was 'deserving' or not before I dared post...

Pugetsound

"You are a mean-spirited group of people. With your way of thinking, we'll have 50% poverty pretty soon. I wonder when it will stop, chucks."

Hey JOANIE Broadstokes
We can assume then that you rent out the MIL unit attached to your house for free to that school teacher and the place you have up in Birch Bay is also used by someone less fortunate than you?

chucks

Pooling money and managing it over time. That sounds like the way social security should work. But does it?
Screw corp ceos who mismanage companies. They get no defense from me. Not all corps are mismanaged though. I can not understand golden parachutes for piss poor managers. That is an issue for the stockholders (unions, state and municipal pensions, individuals).

joanie

you are correct puts

joanie

You talk around it well, chucks, but I guess the only ones you are personally capable of holding accountable are the average joes and their kids who have it worse that you . . . so go for it.

I prefer to help the people like me rather than the people at the top.

Must be a left thing.

Pugetsound

"you are correct puts"
we'll take you at your web-word joanie.

Duffman

Don't know what that was all about (& probably don't want to know...pretty loud silence)...'Must be a left thing.'

chucks

Joannie
Ok, so we give the downtrodden free housing. For how long?
So we feed them. For how long?
So we educate them. Grade school, ok we do that.
Middle school, ok, we do that. High School, ok, we do that. Community college, ok, we do that.
University, masters, Doctorate? Small business loans. When does one finally get a job and support thier family?
How come the Korean commnity can do it? How about the Indian community can do it?
Why the heck do we have third and forth generation families still receiving guvmnt assistance?
I am as passionate about helping someone get started as you are. I just believe in getting them started. Not carrying them through life.
Can't keep this up. Dinners not going to cook itself. Thanks for the debate.
Good night and have a good weekend.
I gotta work both days.

Pugetsound

"I prefer to help the people like me rather than the people at the top."

So what do you mean by 'person like me?'
Your fairly well off with a full belly, well educated, a primary residence with a couple rental units, and secure in a job that commands -at least from me- a lot of respect. Certainly through hard work and a little luck by most standards your doing pretty darn well.

So why not deed your trailer over to a less fortunate person. I am sure you must have some empty bedrooms in your home. Why not give those over to some less fortunate types?
Over at 2nd and Pine their is a great little Needle Exchange Point that has some individuals that could use a roof over their head without fear of being hassled. Or a Foster Family?
You seem to have no problem telling others what to do with their property why not set the example Joanie?

coiler

I feel the same way about Mike! Mc Gavick. He should shelter people with that largess he got from safeco! You know, there is probably some poor slob that needs shelter who got kicked out of GOP headquarters for sleeping in Uncle Mark Foley's Log Cabin.

joanie

Sorry puts but I'm just not in the mood to suffer fools tonight.

Steve

"Just for your Duff . . . (I went to her website and got her source which makes two sources for . . . keeping track?

"U.S. economy leaving record numbers in severe poverty"

Hmm, do I have to research everything I pass on? If I tell you where I got it, shouldn't that be enough? It is certainly more than you give me. . . :)"

Joanie, have you read that McClatchy Newspaper article you linked above about Randi's "We have more people living in poverty today than in the last 32 years." remark. That link offers no proof of the fact. It would be something in line with what Merci would call a "Information Black Hole". Looks like you have two sources without a source.

joanie

A McClatchy Newspapers analysis of 2005 census figures, the latest available,

from the article, Steve. Works for me.

Course, you being a pa-tri-ot and all, I'm sure the only source you believe is one working for your lying decider.

Can you prove McClatchey wrong? If not, quit wasting my time.

Pugetsound


"Sorry puts but I'm just not in the mood to suffer fools tonight."

that's okay joanie broadstrokes.
just don't look too closely in the mirror. :)

Pugetsound

"I feel the same way about Mike! Mc Gavick. He should shelter people with that largess he got from safeco! You know, there is probably some poor slob that needs shelter who got kicked out of GOP headquarters for sleeping in Uncle Mark Foley's Log Cabin."

Coiler, I am glad that you and I are in agreement about Joanie being a hypocrite (sic)
Since we can't contact Mike how bout asking Joanie why she says one thing but lives another...

coiler

Puts, it was irony, don't you get it?

Pugetsound

"uts, it was irony, don't you get it?"

actually coiler, i was the one being ironic...try and keep up pumpkin.

Steve

Read the article Joanie, its about people going into deep and extreme poverty, not people going into poverty. Although it does say millions are getting close, is that what you mean.

Steve

Seems Poverty stabilized in 2005 Joanie.
2005 census on poverty

Steve

Maybe you need new reliable sources.

Pugetsound

"Maybe you need new reliable sources."

But don't you know Steve, she uses Randi Rhodes. LOL!
And lets not forget Keith 'Special Comment' Olberman doing his Howard Beal 'I am Mad as hell and I am not gonna take it anymore' rants. I watch him for laughs as I also watch O'reilly for laughs.
But clearly, some of the best comedy out there is ol Keither doing his 'special comment' complete with mock seriousness, those priceless 'chair pivots' and that fake looking tan in the can stuff he uses to achieve the 'bronze god' look. And yes, the rolling up the paper into a ball at the end and tossing it at the screen never gets old...if your like 7!

joanie

Steve, I agree that poverty has been more or less stable but as the middle class disappears where will they go? Into poverty. And those in poverty are getting poorer . . .

"That was the exact opposite of what we anticipated when we began," said Dr. Steven Woolf of Virginia Commonwealth University, who co-authored the study. "We're not seeing as much moderate poverty as a proportion of the population. What we're seeing is a dramatic growth of severe poverty. . . "


" Over the last two decades, America has had the highest or near-highest poverty rates for children, individual adults and families among 31 developed countries, according to the Luxembourg Income Study, a 23-year project that compares poverty and income data from 31 industrial nations.

"It's shameful," said Timothy Smeeding . . . "We've been the worst performer every year since we've been doing this study."

With the exception of Mexico and Russia, the U.S. devotes the smallest portion of its gross domestic product to federal anti-poverty programs, and those programs are among the least effective at reducing poverty, the study found. Again, only Russia and Mexico do worse jobs.

Thanks for reading the article, Steve. It is nice to discuss it with someone who takes the time to read the links . . . don't have to agree but being informed is important.

So, what do you think of this?

Steve

What do I think? It's disturbing but...

Tommy008

OT- do any New Yorkers here or just travelers know what the Brooklyn Heights, Brooklyn neighborhood is like and how much a cab ride would be from midcity Manhattan to there would be? I may have to fly to New York to see the new David Lynch movie at a Brooklyn Heights theatre- one of four theatres in the nation where the movie is still playing.

Pugetsound

"Pensions were not the downfall of business. Poor management and including pensions as assets of a corporation were their downfall. All corporate decisions."

Joanie, it wasn't that before pensions were solid per se. They were hidden and could be passed along. The problem for businesses and pensions is that before they were 'off balance sheet' and could be the true liability/cost could be hidden. Once GAAP made this inpermissable and it (the costs present and future) had to be put on the balance sheet it started to impact the way businesses were valued by investors. Moreover, pension costs are based on actuarial tables/estimates which can fluxuate widly with new estimates based on the workforce, life expectancy, etc.

It's why 401 k's are a better deal for both the business (fixed costs) and the worker (the latter is a post Enron protection if he can get it in non company stock).

Duffman

Now I get it...Duh! 'Sources' can be anything...doesn't necessarily have to be 'reliable'...glad that finally came to light...

Duffman

Good post PS...(btw: sources could include FASB Statements #87, #88, #106, #132 and #158-a

Duffman

"A dog is not reckoned good because he barks well, and a man is not reckoned wise because he speaks skillfully."
Source: Chuang-Tzu

Pugetsound

"Good post PS...(btw: sources could include FASB Statements #87, #88, #106, #132 and #158-a"

Spot on Duff!
But judging by the earlier posts of Joannie, Snarky, et al i didn't want to go into too much detail.

coiler

U.S. economy leaving record numbers in severe poverty

coiler

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bradenton.com%2Fmld%2Fbradenton%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F16760637.htm

sparky

Considering that I have not weighed in at all on your poverty discussion, PutS, I can only assume you just want to stir things up so I will jump in and try to argue with you. sorry...busy.

Duffman

"U.S. economy leaving record numbers in severe poverty"

IMHO:
Reading this piece and concluding that the 'U.S. economy' is 'exclusively' to blame is sort of like drinking the 'Ritter' Kool-Aid and considering 'his conclusions' gospel.

Pugetsound

"Considering that I have not weighed in at all on your poverty discussion, PutS, I can only assume you just want to stir things up so I will jump in and try to argue with you. sorry...busy."

so you weigh in there Snarky to say your not gonna weigh in. :)
yer probably too busy laughing at one of randi's presidential assassination jokes. if you want real funny, catch the HBO special on Air America. the part where Randi rushes up to Michael Moore and introduces herself only to have him brush her off. as she walks off she realizes that he had no freakin who the hell she was.

joanie

Still pulling it out of your ass, Duff . . . have you no pride at all.

Puts . . . are those the same GAAPs that served Enron so well?

The last figures I've seen, CEO's could make up the differences in some of those retirement deficiencies.

And pensions should be and could be honored. Companies have with the help of government have been manipulating those principles for years to benefit management and employees lose.

We had this conversation some time ago and we left off with you asserting that business equals management vs. my assertion that business equals management and employees.

So, we know where your heart lies.
Screw the little guy. Well, you've done it very well.

Duffman

..probably as good (or better) than any of your 'so called' sources..

joanie

Well, since you have no sources, we'll never know will we?

Duffman

..Oh I think we know a lot now...things have recently become quite evident for every blatherer...ha

joanie

you're a dullard, Duff.

Duffman

Now why would someone as 'apparently' intelligent and articulate as you resort to name calling...I thought you 'cared' for the less enlightened and slower to comprehend...? - must be a left thing...

Duffman

You know I kid you and poke at you but I enjoy your posts; you are obviously a thinker. Did I pick up along the way that you were a teacher...I can imagine a good one at that...probably deserve merit pay.

joanie

alls forgiven, duff . . .till the next time. (LOL) :)

(You just keeping reading my links and learning . . . )

Duffman

I will...and I do! (Smiling)

not a blathermouth

hello?

mercifurious

Duff burps:
Now why would someone as 'apparently' intelligent and articulate as you resort to name calling...I thought you 'cared' for the less enlightened and slower to comprehend...? - must be a left thing...

No name calling here Duff. We're just giving conclusions and backing them up with evidence. Some day you'll figure it out.

Conclusion:
"you're a dullard, Duff"

Evidence:
"If you study his comments in some relative depth, you will see that while he was somewhat accurate in his recall of facts, he was prone to drawing incomplete and 'inaccurate' conclusions."

Tommy008

"record numbers in severe poverty" -this is right on track with W's longing to return to the Gilded Age of the U.S. economy, as betrayed by his old college prof.

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