Tonight's line-up on the David Goldstein Show (KIRO Sundays, 7-10p)
7p: Is it time we stop electing judges? The articulate, liberal Deborah Senn will talk about the role of the US Chamber in her 2004 AG race, as well as the hundreds of millions it has spent in judicial races nationwide.
8p: Tunnel, rebuild or no-build? The Stranger's transcendent transportation Czaress Erica C. Barnett will join Goldy in the studio to take calls about the Viaduct replacement controversy, as well as other pressing transportation issues.
9p: Is torture a family value? author/blogger Dave Neiwert of Orcinus will discuss Congress's torture "compromise", and what it says about American morality, and might mean for American soldiers and civilians who could eventually be subjected to the same.
And if you miss David's show, it's podcast on KIRO's site- go here and scroll down to the bottom of the page.
i will be listening because i want to know the rationale for building a tunnel right across a huge earthquake fault..bad enough that the viaduct is elevated and people could end up flattened like a San Francisco pancake...
Posted by: sparky | September 24, 2006 at 01:01 PM
The viaduct decision is now in the hands of Gregoire, as the City Council voted against putting the issue on the ballot....very interesting....
Posted by: Fremont | September 24, 2006 at 03:32 PM
Is it "worser" to be flattened than compacted?
Just asking . . . (I heard someone on CSpan say "worser" yesterday! Can't remember who . . . darn!)
Posted by: joanie | September 24, 2006 at 04:12 PM
I thought there wouldn't be any Goldy on KIRO today because of Seahawk stuff? He hasn't put a program schedule up on his site.
Posted by: joanie | September 24, 2006 at 04:14 PM
he'll be there, he e-mailed me the show notes. We might have to make do w/out Frank...
Posted by: blathering michael | September 24, 2006 at 04:30 PM
didn't Boston do this? you know, the "Big Dig"? look how well that turned out! bugger the waterfront yuppies- build another viaduct. We do not need to subsidize their view.
Posted by: mark | September 24, 2006 at 05:47 PM
Wow. I didn't realize that we had already fully funded our schools and other essential services were fully staffed and could afford to spend billions on this tunnel as a replacement. Why spend $4 billion for this Seattle Bid Dig when for $1 billion we can do
this
I would even prefer the other option of tearing down the Viaduct to see what the real traffic impact would be. Other cities have done so and realized that the impact isn't so bad.
But we do know if it is truly as much of a threat as Ron Sims said, that we should tear it down immediately. Here is a nice opinion piece
Posted by: PugetSound | September 24, 2006 at 06:44 PM
I heard Doug McDonald talking about the choices and they all have problems . . . but, I've been saying all along to shut down the viaduct. Unsafe is unsafe.
Good post, PutS.
Posted by: joanie | September 24, 2006 at 07:07 PM
Hey look! We can stop whistling the jeopardy theme (to drown out the crickets). PS is back!
Welcome back Pube: Care to comment on the incredible BIAW/Fundio-fascist judicial victories?
Posted by: mercifurious | September 24, 2006 at 08:53 PM
"I heard Doug McDonald talking about the choices and they all have problems . . . but, I've been saying all along to shut down the viaduct. Unsafe is unsafe."
Sheesh, the last time Joanie and I agreed on something I think it was on what day of the week it was-and that was only after we both had checked our calendars very carefully. :)
I am with you on this issue. I resent people trying to scare us on the Viaduct. If it is that unsafe we should close it down now. Like tonight. Not three years from now or as part of a rebuild.
Doug McDonald appears to be a square shooter and I respect the way he will come on a show albeit a Dave Ross or John Carlson and take on the callers with straightforward answers which means when he doesn't have the answer he says he doesn't have the answer.
Hey, no dis' intended Mercifurious, but I didn't catch your posts earlier but do appreciate the link. I was out of town that week and I don't use my work computer for other than work. Unlike Sparkie's place of employment, they frown on that.
Anyway, since you asked I am okay with Alexander.
Posted by: PugetSound | September 24, 2006 at 09:32 PM
Goldy, if you don't stop stretching out all those vowels in your intro, I'm going to stop listening!
Otherwise, good show.
Posted by: joanie | September 24, 2006 at 10:23 PM
This viaduct issue is a 'strange bedfellows' issue, evidenced here, as folks on both sides of the spectrum can (and do) agree on the stupidity of the tunnel. My problem with a tunnel is funding, pure and simple. I honestly would like to know where Team Nickels thinks the money for this project is going to come from.
The state is not going to foot this bill, especially with the 520 rebuild coming and I can't see any public vote, whether it be city, county, or state going his way to pay for a tunnel.
Posted by: kb | September 24, 2006 at 10:38 PM
Seems to me part of the issue of surface roads has to do with the needs of the Port and freight traffic. Deal with that by going south to the Spokane Street corridor and over to I-5 . . .
Some sort of solution like that. Has anyone heard of any plans to deal with freight? Some sort of dedicated freight throughway/overpass? How about going back to railroads . . .
I hope I'm not showing my ignorance here . . . :)
Posted by: joanie | September 24, 2006 at 10:52 PM
If the Sounder went between Tacoma and Seattle more than a couple of times each day, perhaps some of that viaduct traffic would be reduced. Compared to the east coast and the UK, we are train retarded...
Posted by: sparky | September 24, 2006 at 10:58 PM
Am watching Gary Hart on Foolproof Presents on TVW - he was here at town hall 9-13-06. If you're as nostalgic as I am for an honest and reflective Democrat, check in here.
You should be able to get this on your new Imac, Fremont.
Posted by: joanie | September 24, 2006 at 11:34 PM
As someone who lived in Boston for years during the Big Dig, I think everyone is in for a bit of a rude awakening with respect to the traffic issues that will arise during and the cost overruns to deal with after.
Boston had a few other factors (like 5x as many people and an extremely old city to begin with) but the traffic issues were just hideous. Be prepared, that viaduct will throw tons of commercial vehicles on I-5, it'll be nasty.
I don't have a problem with rebuilding the viaduct because quite honestly I do not trust local government to make a tunnel work any more than I trusted them in Boston.
Posted by: cowpotpi3 | September 25, 2006 at 07:36 AM
Ah jeez, how sweet to see Gary Hart wihtou a bimbo on his lap....thanks, Joans!
Posted by: Fremont | September 25, 2006 at 12:36 PM
I know I should be listening to "sensible shoes" type programs like Dave Ross, Ron Reagan and NPR but i just have to get my daily fix of insults from verbal ballbat-wielding Fatman Levin, who calls out the "libs" to take their beatings from him about the head and shoulders and talks about "B.J." Clinton and Hillary "Rotten" Clinton, "Her Thighness" in his sneering high-pitched voice. Bring on the circus show and "get off the phone, you big dope!"
Posted by: Tommy008 | September 25, 2006 at 08:45 PM
Goldy's program is poor. It's time for him to go.
We need an intellectual to analyze the arguments and not simply repeat the party line over and over.
Posted by: The Anti Kiro | September 25, 2006 at 09:04 PM
AntiK- as long as he gets good guests and doesn't try to do all the talking himself - as occasionally you do, Goldy - I think he's got a good show. I loved the segment about the viaduct because it moved quickly and contained several different viewpoints and guests. But, I like informative stuff. Not listening to be amused . . .
Posted by: joanie | September 25, 2006 at 10:12 PM
Fremont, who cares about bimbos - nobody is perfect. Heck, I might be a bimbo for all you know or at least a bimbo wannabe!
He's wise, reasonable, and compassionate guy and probably some of his humility arose from those bimbo escapades. You never know what's gonna make somebody into a more reflective person.
Posted by: joanie | September 25, 2006 at 10:15 PM
PutS emits:
Hey, no dis' intended Mercifurious, but I didn't catch your posts earlier but do appreciate the link. I was out of town that week and I don't use my work computer for other than work. Unlike Sparkie's place of employment, they frown on that.
Anyway, since you asked I am okay with Alexander.
Nice dodge PutS - the Old "Hey! lookie there a zagugliar blimp!" trick...
One more time: The Incredible BIAW/Fundio-fascist sponsored judicial victories
COMMENT????
I know I know, gotta wait for Orbi's official spin-a-roonie marching orders
Posted by: mercifurious | September 25, 2006 at 10:34 PM
Why are Ron and Don still on the air? This truly baffles me.
And what the hell is Shiers doing on the air? The guy is never accountable for all his misleading and frankly inaccurate statements. Tonight he was crying about, ..."how did Dori respond...?" when someone filled him in on the 17 year old tossing the baby over a fence.
Ron and Don = Fake "I'm your buddy so please listen" ex shock jocks trying to be serious
Shiers = No Show Prep Failed DJ trying his luck as a talk radio host
Posted by: The Anti Kiro | September 25, 2006 at 11:04 PM
Scroll down on Think Progress to the "Newsweek covers" four or five headlines down
pretty enlightening
Posted by: joanie | September 25, 2006 at 11:15 PM
Joanie,
You really need to call Shiers and challenge him point by point.
Shiers must be put in his place.
Posted by: The Anti KIRO | September 25, 2006 at 11:50 PM
Tonight Frank Shiers took the better part of two hours playing clips of and analyzing or "anal-izing" Bill Clinton's interview, in his plodding, constipated manner, explaining everything laboriously to us like we're 7 year old children. Whatever you think of O'Reilly, he covered the same subject in his first hour on radio tonight and did the whole clips/analysis thing before the end of his firat segment. Unlike the rightwing boob Shiers, O'Reilly had some balance and empathy toward Clinton. By the way, Frank, and I know you're still reading us, despite your denials, why do you repeat topics from your weekend shows into your weekday shows? Are you a lazyass?
Posted by: Tommy008 | September 25, 2006 at 11:55 PM
Just heard on Styblehead Boast-to-Boast... responding to rumors that he's "gay" (whah? hahahah)
"I'm having tons of fun dispelling this rumor"
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWW!
Posted by: mercifurious | September 26, 2006 at 01:25 AM
I would not want to be a fly on the wall while Styblehead is dispelling rumors that he is gay.
Posted by: blathering michael | September 26, 2006 at 01:38 AM
Right! Who wants to witness actual Styblehead (boast or no boast)
Wait. Does "sexual harrassment of co-workers" count has dispelling gay roomers?
Posted by: mercifurious | September 26, 2006 at 01:51 AM
Or maybe this falls into the "methinks he protesteth too much" category. Where's our favorite non-Geico customer's famous Gaydar Machine when you need it? Hook Styble up to the thing and watch 'er smoke.
Posted by: Oly | September 26, 2006 at 03:09 AM
There you go again....ruining my breakfast!!!
Attention Mr. Sty.....nobody cares.
Posted by: sparky | September 26, 2006 at 05:56 AM