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February 25, 2006

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Trip

Oh yeah, this has to the end for our Wartime President. This is the civil war he was warned about by his Daddy, the generals, and just about every liberal and antiwar columnist in the country.

It doesn't help that our Bold Leader is also selling control of our ports to the government of an Arab state known for its coziness with bin Laden and the Taliban.

I simply cannot fathom how Bush's base could continue to defend this *staggering* level of political incompetence.

The button has popped on this turkey.

joanie

According to Frank Rich, the beginning of the end was several months ago. I love that guy!

I also thought civil war had started! How do you know when it is a "civil war" as opposed to an "uncivil war?"

I bet nobody actually answers your question because it seems like if you expect something from this administration and congress, you are labeled angry. Michael, are you angry? :)
(Don't you just hate those smiley faces?)

Darn, Trip. I thought I was going to be first!

joanie

PS: What do we do? Well, we invade Iran . . . what else?

Ted Smith

Trip said "The button has popped on this turkey."

I couldn't have put it any better.

Fremont

"what is owed the American people by George W. Bush"John 15:13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Choose your friends well, Mr. Bush!

sparky

You are all such anti-American pessimists.
Don't you know we are "making progress"? Freedom is on the march! The insurgents are in their last throes. Mission Accomplished!

Trip

Joanie has a point -

We need to be on an Iran airstrike watch now, or at the very least, a "major arrest" at the border or an airport somewhere.

That would be THE shiny object that distracts the media and steals news cycles from the UAE ports train wreck and the Iraq civil war.

In a million years I wouldn't have figured that Bush and company would drop the floor out from their own approval ratings on, of all things, national security.

How low can he go now? Can he beat Nixon's 27 percent resignation numbers?

eileen

Of course this is a civil war. The seeds for this war were planted the moment Saddam was taken out. When you have two major political/religious dividing lines in a country that has had to repress those factions for so many years, it would only be natural for those groups to now have to duke it out.

Its like letting that genie out of the bottle. The problems was always there, but now its just uncorked. Natural Law 101: You repress any energy for going on 30 or so years, and it won't be very civilized once it gets out.

This is Iraq's time for emancipation - the process has to play out. I don't agree on how the fuse was lit - from the US - but it had to happen sometime.

sparky

Someone sent this to me this morning:

This really is the lowly point to which Bush followers have dragged this country. To oppose the American war in Iraq -- a war that is turning out to be the greatest and most disastrous strategic mistake this country has ever made - has long been sufficient for one to be branded a coward and a subversive. To question the President's policies on terrorism has resulted in even more severe accusations.

Bill Buckley has now unmasked himself as a cowardly, anti-American ally of Al Qaeda. He wants to wave the white flag to terrorists, and has sabatoged the Commander-in-Chief's war effort by declaring it a failure. Shouldn't we bring criminal charges against Buckley, along with demands that he be hanged? On what ground can any of the Bush followers who have long equated opposition to the war with subversion and treason -- and who branded Howard Dean a traitor for a statement identical to the one Buckley made -- oppose those efforts?

The great patriot and American hero Ben Shapiro can prepare Buckley's noose while that brave American warrior Michael Reagan places the hood over his head and those lovers of American values Michelle Malkin and John Hinderaker lead the throngs as they yell "traitor" and "coward" at Buckley while his neck snaps. That's the horrendous image which has come to represent the sad, almost-psychotic state of political dialogue which Bush followers have imposed on our country. And that's just one of the comparatively small harms which the Bush movement has inflicted on America which is going to take quite some time to repair.

Believe it or not, Buckley served. U.S. Army, 1944-1945. One of the very few right-wing wankers with national service under his belt.

But let the parade of cowardly chickenhawks continue spewing their vitriol when they themselves have failed to serve their country, or put their lives on the line for those causes they supposedly cherish.

TomF

I would be somewhat more persuaded by the chickenhawk contingent if the rich, drunken apathete Bush twins Jenna and Barbara were forcibly parachuted into Fallujah to "entertain the troops." Then the Commander in Chief would have some skin in the game, as it were.

But as that won't happen, I look for no letup at all. Bush has been doggedly repeating the "challenging days ahead for Iraq" line for years now, and things never improve. Iraq will not stabilize until we get out, and we will not get out until it stabilizes. The psychotic Bush/Cheney regime will pour more working-class soldiers into the zone and thousands more will die. Nothing will change until January 20, 2007.

At least Lyndon Johnson had the good grace to agonize over his war.

Ted Smith

trip said"Can he beat Nixon's 27 percent resignation numbers?"

I would say No.

In Nixon's day, there was a Republican Party that was separate from Nixon himself. The current Rethugnican Party is so intertwined with the Cult of bush that it has essentially ceased to exist as an independent body.

Senators Goldwater, Scott, and Baker went to the White House to tell Nixon that it was time to go. Nobody in the Rethug Party has that level of credibility today.

JoAnne

I wish I could wake up from this nightmare. Thousands of brave American troops killed, wounded and morally compromised for W's dreams of Empire. The descent of America began with Reagans war on the middle class. We thought that he would restrict it to the air controllers. Now we see that any organization that attempts to prevent the dismantling of the American middle class. No plan for recovery in sight. No politician is going to promulgate the painful sacrifice that would be required to return our nation to economic sanity and balance.

recife

:-) = Smiley Face (((:~{> = Muhammad *-o)):~{> = Mohammad with his turban Bomb lit !

KS

The situation in Iraq is not at all like Vietnam, exept that neither wars were necessary. There is clearly more at stake in Iraq. Alot of the people on the left seem to believe that Islamofascists are not a threat to us in spite of what happened on 9/11. This is disingenuous and they are cherry-picking issues only to fit their agenda - as the Bush Administration is...big time polarization
exists.

With that said, the Pentagon has done a horrible job on implementing a plan. Civil war in Iraq appears to be a real possibility - as Al-Qaeda in cahoots with Iran has succeeded in stirring it up. It could be argued that if we had done nothing in Iraq - the world situation would be better, which is hard to dispute at this time, except that we have not been attacked by the Islamofascists since 9/11 - a number of attempts have been thwarted by our security. In 3 years, it may look different or it may be worse. US troops cannot and should not be in the middle of a civil war, so Rep. Murtha may have been right, but civil war was not a threat when he made his statements.

Critter

Ya know what? I researched the definition of anti-war, and nowhere did I find anything about anti-American. Where do these right-wingers get that stuff?

Just boggles the mind.

sparky

Civil war was not a threat when Murtha made his statements?
This crisis all happened in a few days?

joanie

TomF:
" The psychotic Bush/Cheney regime will pour more working-class soldiers into the zone and thousands more will die. Nothing will change until January 20, 2007.

At least Lyndon Johnson had the good grace to agonize over his war."

SO TRUE . . . SO TRUE . . . SO TRUE . . . SO TRUE! There is no credible nor honest analysis that can predict or explain what these people have done nor can do!


KS, where do you get your so-called facts? Iraq, according to Mr. Bush himself, had nothing to do with 9-11. Get over it! This may be the one true thing Bush, himself, has said.

". . . except that we have not been attacked by the Islamofascists since 9/11 - a number of attempts have been thwarted by our security. . ."

Name one that has been verified or has any credibility at all.

You are living in your own racist and weird nightmare!

joanie

Great post, Critter!

joanie

Trip: "How low can he go?" I have given up wondering. . . he has a base like KS that seems to swallow anything and everthing. I've never seen the like of it before.

And he has a Congress so corrupt that it, too, goes along. Even now, with the port issue, I don't see this as being quite yet the canary in the coal mine. He has gotten away with so much, it seems he can survive regardless of what he does. And I don't think we have either democrats or republicans in Congress that match up to those of the sixties and seventies.

I hope I am wrong but nothing surprises me anymore.

One more thing: this president is more like an evangelist than an intellect. He seems to control his base by his words. They keep sending money and following the rhetoric no matter how absurd. How many evangelists have been shamed and rise again in their glory?

KS

there you go again Joanie, bloviating and not trying to understand both sides from the middle.The only link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda is that Al-Qaeda is fighting with the insurgents in Iraq - and also helping to stir up a civil war along with Iraq. If you believe otherwise, what are your sources and evidence ? Al-Qaeda has to do with 9/11 and they have been distracted by US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq - I stand by that - you have a problem with it ? Go back and reread what I said about the war in my earlier post.

Murtha's statements were made back last November when the situation had not escalated into a civil war - apparently he foresaw this - OK ? You say congress is corrupt too - I do buy into that, less trustworthy than the sixties or seventies. So what do we the people do about it aside from pointing fingers ?

Trip

Why, elect Democrats to Congress this November, of course.

There is no other way we, the people, can ensure accountibility from these .

BTW, EVERYONE who refused to drink the Bush Kool-Aid prior to the invasion foresaw this civil war, not just Murtha. Bush was warned by just about every Iraq authority we had at the time, including his own Daddy.

Bush owns this fiasco to the bitter end. It's his war, his legacy, and his complete and utter failure.

imelda

if we lose in Iraq, then all is lost in the Middle East. We can just kiss our Western economies goodby. Our politically correct avoidance of drilling anywhere else like the Gulf, ANWAR, etc. will come home to roost. America deserves this if we give up on Iraq now. Bush isn't very articulate, but his basic ideas are sound. You effete traitors are more interested in your genitals, your so-called civil rights, your hatred of Bush and of Christianity, and your fuzzy-wuzzy domestic nanny-state ideas than the protection of Western civilization. The war is being lost because the homefront is manned (or should I say womanned?)by people like you and the spineless Congress. Go to hell.

joanie

"There is clearly more at stake in Iraq. Alot of the people on the left seem to believe that Islamofascists are not a threat to us in spite of what happened on 9/11."

Aren't you the one finger-pointing in this statement? Also, I'm not the hate-monger with the name calling. They are terrorists just like Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. Or was he a Christian-o-fascist?

"This is disingenuous and they are cherry-picking issues only to fit their agenda - as the Bush Administration is...big time polarization exists."

You are right about the Bush administration cherry-picking issues. That is how they sold the war to believers like you in the first place.

"With that said, the Pentagon has done a horrible job on implementing a plan."

And now all you can say is they had a bad plan? I say they picked the wrong war! We shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Where is Osama Bin Laden? You are still trying to justify this war. Unbelieveable.

"except that we have not been attacked by the Islamofascists since 9/11 - a number of attempts have been thwarted by our security."

People like you are the problem. You still haven't provided evidence of any credible attacks that have been headed off. That tells me that you still believe the Bush rhetoric.

None of us knows the answer to this dilemma. What would I do? I get out of there yesterday. Try to get the rest of the world and the United Nations to help. I think we could do this if we dropped the arrogance of having retain control. We screwed it up; why should anybody want to help us now unless we demonstrated just a tad bit of humility. But Bush cannot do that.

joanie

imelda says:
"Bush isn't very articulate, but his basic ideas are sound. You effete traitors are more interested in your genitals, your so-called civil rights, your hatred of Bush and of Christianity, and your fuzzy-wuzzy domestic nanny-state ideas than the protection of Western civilization. The war is being lost because the homefront is manned (or should I say womanned?)by people like you and the spineless Congress."

And you say the left is finger-pointing and name calling . . . ? This post is just chock full of intellectual analysis and constructive debate, isn't it?

Puget Sound

I found this of interest-US News and World Report

"WHO IS FUNDING THE TERRORISTS IN IRAQ? [Cliff May]
According to U.S. News & World Report: The list of suspects is long: ex-Baathists, foreign jihadists, and angry Sunnis, to name a few. Now add to that roster hard-core Euroleftists.

“Turns out that far-left groups in western Europe are carrying on a campaign dubbed Ten Euros for the Resistance, offering aid and comfort to the car bombers, kidnappers, and snipers trying to destabilize the fledgling Iraq government. In the words of one Italian website, Iraq Libero (Free Iraq), the funds are meant for those fighting the occupanti imperialisti. The groups are an odd collection, made up largely of Marxists and Maoists, sprinkled with an array of Arab emigres and aging, old-school fascists, according to Lorenzo Vidino, an analyst on European terrorism based at The Investigative Project in Washington, D.C. "It's the old anticapitalist, anti-U.S., anti-Israel crowd," says Vidino, who has been to their gatherings, where he saw activists from Austria, Denmark, Germany, and Italy. "The glue that binds them together is anti-Americanism." The groups are working on an October conference to further support "the Iraqi Resistance." A key goal is to expand backing for the insurgents from the fringe left to the broader antiwar and antiglobalization movements."

Andrew

I wonder if GWB is thinking "it must take a ruthless dictator to run that country"

KS

"People like you are the problem. You still haven't provided evidence of any credible attacks that have been headed off. That tells me that you still believe the Bush rhetoric."

I don't believe Howard Dean's and Al Gore's rhetoric - sorry you have a problem with that, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. I believe that neither the neo-Cons(Bush) or the far left is correct here, but that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Imelda is too far right. The left has not demonstrated yet that they know the enemy and I am not talking about Iraq - I am speaking of those who attacked us on 9/11.

What attacks did we prevent in the United States since 9/11 ? one in LA prevented in 2002 by our intelligence - that came out a few weeks ago - that had nothing to do with Iraq. I didn't claim that any specific terrorist attacks were prevented, but one can logically determine that the probability of Al-Qaeda attacks would have been greater, if less of their resources would have been used in Iraq (who is Al-Zharqawi (sp.) ?)

There have been tapes from Sadaam that have supplied strong evidence for WMD's in Iraq moved to Syria that Dean and his lefty cronies where saying no WMD's for such a long time. However (read carefully), I am not that concerned about it - the timing was poor. However, the left and the mainstream media doesn't care about investigating to see what the truth really is - they just want to hurl unsubstanitiated allegations to politicize it - but in the case of the Ports deal, that was the right thing to do. Bush created this PR disaster and is paying the price - end of story.

joanie

PS:
This is interesting but I don't think it is surprising. Anti-Americanism goes back a long time because we've had our hands in an awful lot of backroom deals that haven't done much for the average European, South American, Asian, African, etc. We are not perfect. (Remember the book "The Ugly American?")

I personally think this reinforces my belief that we ought to stay out of the business of the rest of the world except where there is informed consent and cooperation. If that sounds pollyanna, so be it.

joanie

"but one can logically determine that the probability of Al-Qaeda attacks would have been greater, if less of their resources would have been used in Iraq (who is Al-Zharqawi (sp.) ?)"

LIke one could logically determine that there were WMDs in Iraq? I know you want to believe that there were, but the evidence is overwhelming that they aren't there. Bush admits it. I'm not going to list the evidence because it is well-accepted that they are not there. I agree the politicians thought they were there before the war; but, the specialists didn't. So much evidence has come out questioning every part of that claim that it isn't even on the radar screen for most of us anymore.

" However, the left and the mainstream media doesn't care about investigating to see what the truth really is - they just want to hurl unsubstanitiated allegations to politicize it - but in the case of the Ports deal, that was the right thing to do."

So, the so-called left-wing media has it wrong when you disagree with it but has it right when you agree with it? Intersting.

Fremont

Jeez, Bla'M.....you opened a can of worms with this thread.....or maybe they're slithering over from the beef thread.
Love your type-toon, Recife!

Puget Sound

Joannie
Actually, I do recall the book from high school -one of the few that this poor memory retains- and recall being surprised that in fact that The Ugly American in the novel is one of the only redeeming characters and the author called the good character that name to create an ironic difference with the "pretty" state dept ambassadors who in fact were not helping the situation at all.
It will be interesting with the Van Gogh murder, incessant car fires, and subsequent Cartoon-Jihad if those in Europe may be reassessing their ten Euros for Jihad.
Very complicated.

David Williams

I think just the fact that we are having this lively discussion demonstrates that it is the beginning of the end for this president. Bob Brinker, as conservative as they come, spent his entire show today complaining about Bush. He basically accused the Bush family of collusion with their Arab potentate friends. He kept asking why Bush would threaten to make this his first veto. Why is this issue so important to him?

Not to even mention how we have entirely screwed-up Iraq and Iran...and Haiti and Venezuela and Mexico and Pakistan and.........

David
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audioslave

I'm going to try and put this into a different perspective....most of you won't like it but it's still a perspective.

I am not trying to minimize in any way the cost of U.S. lives when I pose this, but would sentiment, support, dissention, outrage, or the threat of down right civil war here in the U.S. be a possibility if we had an hour by hour account of these past conflicts? WW II: 290,000+ deaths, Korea: 33,000, Vietnam: 47,000. We have sustained, God Bless them and their families, about 2,300 casualties in this current conflict against enemies that want to anihilate western society, period.

We were attacked on 9-11-01 by a group of Islamofacists that don't give a rat's ass whether we try to appease them or totally pull out of the middle east. They are supported by fanaticists and regimes, that may not agree with them in principle, but have been supporters of terrorism against the U.S. and Israel for decades.

Hussein supported and paid families that carried out terrorist attacks against Israel. There were 3 terrorist training camps inside Iraq. Al Zarquawi seeked refuge there from Afghanistan.

Our intelligence, along with the rest of the civilzed world came to the conclusion that Iraq had WMD's, and that it was a threat against all of us. It just came out a week and a half ago (ABC news report) that, yes Iraq was hiding WMD's from us in the mid to late 1990's, and that the U.S. would be a victim of terrorists attacks. He also said that Iraq wouldn't be involved. What the hell is he.....a prophet? This is all on tape people. The WMD's were there. Some still may be there, as some former Iraqi generals have stated, and alot of them were moved to Syria before we invaded.

This war has been scrutinized daily, with Monday morning quarterbacks eager to pile on at any opportunity.

The war has been, if you watch the nightly news, a gigantic failure. Yet, when you talk to the people that have been over there, the overwhelming majority of them thinkthe campaign is going very good.

The Bush administration has underestimated the scope of the conflict, mistakes have been made, just like in any war in history, that is true, but is it really the debacle that we have been led to believe?

I'll ask this question: What is the ratio of stories broadcast back here about the Iraq war that have been good versus bad? Why don't we ever hear about the good things that are happening over there? The infrastructure rebuild, the fact that most of the country is in fact stable. It's all centered on Baghadad.

joanie

Interesting letter to the editor
(actually, all the letters are interesting . . .esp. the one about public schools and sports stadiums):

Saying no to conventions sends important message

serial listener

Iraq is blowing up in our face, civil war ia nigh and Audioslave blames it on the media? your news is out of date, the strife is widespread. Sunni militias are strong in the north and the south. before you spout the talking points, you should read the papers- oh, that's right, you don't believe the papers you don't read.

Fremont

Aha, Joanie! Your real name is Janine Gross, right?

Let us pray....

joanie

No,no,no that's not me!! I promise you! But, I do know her which is how I happened to go to this page and find the item on the conventions! She was a parent of mine a couple of years ago.

Since you've given me this reason to respond, I'm going to add . . .

AUDIOSLAVE! Have you read anything on this blog? We've put the kabash on so much of the bunk you state that I'm embarrassed for you.
Even KS doesn't continue to parrot the garbage you've spouted. We are doomed! I give up!

sparky

thank you joanie..that about sums it up.

chris

Read Lewis Lapham's "Eyes Wide Shut" in the latest issue of Harper's magazine. He gives excellent reasons as to why Bush needs to go and how his actions are impeachable offenses.

KS

Audioslave sez:
"I'll ask this question: What is the ratio of stories broadcast back here about the Iraq war that have been good versus bad? Why don't we ever hear about the good things that are happening over there? The infrastructure rebuild, the fact that most of the country is in fact stable. It's all centered on Baghadad."

What you say is true, however what has been happening to US troops with the number of fatalities takes precedence and overshadows the good. While it is true that the media does not like Bush and doesn't cut him much slack - if Bob Brinker is disgusted with it, then there is clearly something wrong. I am not an ideologue, because being that way is unprincipled and subject to hypocrisy.

Puget Sound

"... Bob Brinker, as conservative as they come, spent his entire show today complaining about Bush."

I listened to Brinker for years and will tell you he is no 'conservative' in the sense of being a unappologetic Bush supporter. He has been critizing Bush for years.
Now he is conservative in the sense that his investment advice is sane and if you listen to him over the long run you'll never have to worry about your Soc Sec pension as you will be in the land of critical mass-as he terms it. Great financial guru for us small potato types. Highly recommend.

Puget Sound

Audio slave
With all due respect, I doubt your gonna get any traction on this board.

joanie

"On Friday, her plane flew over a country whose infrastructure remains in tatters, whose people live in fear of the bullets and bombs which regularly kill at random and where a Sunni-led insurgency makes governance next to impossible."
Reuters, Feb 24, 2006

Fremont

"Hussein supported and paid families that carried out terrorist attacks against Israel." C'mon, Slave, who bombed Iraqi nuclear plants during the Iraq-Iran War? Wasn't it Israel doing the terrorizing? And, have you really talked to the "overwhelming majority of people who have been over there" who think the campaign is going "very good"? How about the people, i.e. coalition forces and Iraqi civilians who are STILL there? What do THEY think? This is one of your most slippery posts...yes, you need traction!

Chris: Wish I coulod access the Harper's article online...guess I'll have to trek to the library. Thanks!

audioslave


PS:

"Audio slave
With all due respect, I doubt your gonna get any traction on this board."

Tell me something I don't know.

Everything I stated above, cannot be disproved, it can be "de-bunked"..thats fine, time will tell .......afterall I'm an optimist. The mistakes of how the war has been ran does not hinder my hope for success. I don't want the mission, if in hindsight right or wrong, to fail.

Look deep down inside your soul...have you ever wanted this conflict to fail for hatred of our president??? Come on.....think hard. This has been a colossal screw up on the part of Bush, right? Nothing else matters, we've got him....he went to war without cause, or auhthority to do so. Start the impeachment proceedings.....surely there's enough support from congress to do so.....it's so obvious.

joanie

So, Audioslave, Reuters is in on the big lie now too.

Juan

The Doom reality!

In about 15 years the world's oil supply will reach a tipping point. Even with new technologies, and conservation efforts, oil dependant industries will not be able to produce the goods for an increasing populated world. Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, etc are the next colonizing arena, and the military machine is simply flexing its might in Iraq. It is of course obvious now that Iraq was attacked for its oil reachness.

While it seems that the battle will be lost in Iraq, the war, as seen by the powers to be, is just beginning. The civil war was part of the strategy. The next phase will involve Iran and maybe even Syria and others in the region.

I think it is important to remember that while most of us do not agree or like this war, we are not the only ones fighting it!. Muslim leaders, while underground, also have their plans and strategies. The cartoons PR efforts for instance were executed well and rallied a strong base in countries like Pakistan (nukes available).

Sadly for us all, a regiligous war is in motion, and it seems to have plenty of force behind it. Our goverment is run by extreme religious conservatives who believe that God approves killing 100s of thousands of people, and the Muslim world is influenced by similar forces who believe that Ala wants them to destroy us.

And as usual, the peace movement starts too late after much of the damage has been done.

I wish our country will wake up and stop living in the fantasy world we have been living in.

I hope we start by changing our goverment in November.

I hope our children have a world to live in when they grow up.

Fremont

In re: Reuters: Ohmygawd! Rice is on ice, and hell is freezing over! How does Herness know that Al Qaeda bombed the mosque?!! Oh gawd, let us pray....

joanie

"While it seems that the battle will be lost in Iraq. . . "

Actually, whether we "win" whatever that means at this point or not, the administration will have what it wants. The military bases are right on tract. The US military will have a presence in the Middle East no matter how the rest of it turns out. That's why Bush will not leave till that little component is accomplished; then, he'll be out of there like a lightning bolt. He doesn't care at all about the people of Iraq.


14 `enduring bases' set in Iraq

This is 2004 news but wouldn't it be nice of Bush spent as much on alternative energy as he so acknowledged the need for in his SOTU speech.


I guess there's not much point in trying to bring facts and reports to the table as it seems you don't read them anyway.

joanie

I imagine my words will fall on deaf ears but on CSpan right now you will hear a couple of embedded journalists talking about their experiences in Iraq. Of course, they are not mainline media . . . but that should be good, shouldn't it? I mean, since main-line media is so far left . . .

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    pacific nw talk stations

    • KIRO 710ESPN Seattle 710 KHz
      Games and sports-blabber
    • KIROFM 97.3
      Multi-format: news and nearly all local talk. This is where classic KIRO AM news talk radio went... hopefully, not to die. The home of Dave Ross & Luke Burbank, Dori Monson, Ron & Don, Frank Shiers, Bill Radke, Linda Thomas, Tony Miner and George Noory.
    • KUOW FM 94.9
      Seattle's foremost public radio news and talk.
    • KVI am 570 KHz
      Visit the burnt-out husk of one of the seminal right-wing talkers in all the land. Here's where once trilled the reactionary tones of Rush Limbaugh, John Carlson, Kirby Wilbur, Mike Siegel, Peter Weissbach, Floyd Brown, Dinky Donkey, and Bryan Suits. Now it's Top 40 hits from the '60's & '70's aimed at that diminishing crowd who still remembers them and can still hear.
    • KTTH am 770 KHz
      Right wing home of local, and a whole bunch of syndicated righties such as Glennn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Medved, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Lars Larsony, and for an hour a day: live & local David Boze.
    • KPTK am 1090 KHz
      Syndicated liberal talk. Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, Norman Goldman fill in the large hole to the left on Northwest radio dial.
    • KLFE AM 1590 kHz
      Syndicated right-wing 2nd stringers like Mark Levin, Bill Bennett, Mike Gallagher, Dennis Prager, Dennis Miller and Hugh Hewitt inhabit this timid-voiced neighbor honker for your radio enjoyment (unless you're behind something large like Costco).
    • KOMOAM
      News, traffic, Ken Schram and John Carlson.
    • Washington State Radio Stations
      Comprehensive list of every danged AM & FM station on the dial.
    • KKOL am 1300 KHz
      Once a rabid right-wing talker, except for Lou Dobbs, it's all business....