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  • Media Matters
    Documentation of right-wing media in video, audio and text.
  • Orcinus
    home of David Neiwert, freelance investigative journalist and author who writes extensively about far-right hate groups
  • Hominid Views
    "People, politics, science, and whatnot" Darryl is a statistician who fights imperialism with empiricism, gives good links and wry commentary.
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  • Howie in Seattle
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    Hellishly long (5795!) list of radio streaming, steaming on the Internets.
  • The Naked Loon
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  • Irrational Public Radio
    "informs, challenges, soothes and/or berates, and does so with a pleasing vocal cadence and unmatched enunciation. When you listen to IPR, integrity washes over you like lava, with the pleasing familiarity of a medium-roast coffee and a sensible muffin."
  • The Maddow Blog
    Here's the hyper-interactive La Raych of MSNBC. daily show-vids, freakishly geeky research, and classy graphics.
  • Northwest Broadcasters
    The AM, FM, TV and digital broadcasters of Northwest Washington, USA and Southwest British Columbia, Canada. From Kelso, WA to the northern tip of Vancouver Island, BC - call letters, formats, slogans, networks, technical data, and transmitter maps. Plus "recent" news.
  • News Corpse
    The Internet's chronicle of media decay.
  • The Moderate Voice
    The voice of reason in the age of Obama, and the politics of the far-middle.
  • News Hounds
    Dogged dogging of Fox News by a team who seems to watch every minute of the cable channel so you don't have to.
  • HistoryLink
    Fun to read and free encyclopedia of Washington State history. Founded by the late Walt Crowley, it's an indispensable tool and entertainment source for history wonks and surfers alike.

right-wing blogs we like

  • The Reagan Wing
    Hearin lies the real heart of Washington State Republicans. Doug Parris runs this red-meat social conservative group site which bars no holds when it comes to saying who they are and who they're not; what they believe and what they don't; who their friends are and where the rest of the Republicans can go. Well-written, and flaming.
  • Orbusmax
    inexhaustible Drudgery of NW conservative news
  • The Radio Equalizer
    prolific former Seattle KVI, KIRO talk host speaks authoritatively about radio.
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February 19, 2006



This is the dumbest open thread I've ever seen. Everbody knows only fags eat well-done meat.


Actually, Michael, I eat my beef medium-well and you didn't touch on that. So I guess I'm not white, black, French, Catholic, Protestant or lesbian... I'm just special. ;-)

Lazy Murrow

Talk radio is a medium, because it is neither rare nor well-done. (apologies to Ernie Kovacs)

Lee Olympia

I just have one question ????? What the hell is KIRO thinking with Bryan the basket case styble the guy has 4 callers all night , I was hopping for the NEW KIRO HOTTIE !!!!! HOOTY HOO! TURI RYDER!!!!!!!!!!!! HAy if you want too dump basket case Styble you can good too www.wor710.com/podcast.php And you can down load the lionel show and get some real radio fun !


HAy Lee you right about Stible that guy is a basketcase. I turned him off at 115am and went to KOMO AM . I just hope that Kiro is not going to put Mr basket case on in Lou Pate place , but there always KGO AM 810 . LEE is the Lionel show a pod cast?????


I see this thread has gone from roast beef, to simply beef, so at this point, without the risk of ribbing, and not because I have a bone to pick with any of you, I will steak it all on Styble.

I did hear Turi Ryder a couple of times and was not impressed, she was weak, and IMO, not strong enough for overnight. Maybe better suited to afternoons. There is definitely a much better choice of talk radio south of the border and I do also enjoy listening to KGO and 850 KOA when the ionosphere cooperates. Sadly, after midnight here we are stuck with Art Bell.


I like Turi, but I don't think she lives in Seattle. Styble talks too much about himself. I want Dave DeLackey back. Where is he?


I'm a "fag" and I prefer the other white meat, or chicken. Nobody eats beef anymore, Michael, except these Republicans. Truth be told, they dream of putting other types of meat in their mouths too. Great topic.


People still eat meat? Disgusting.

Killing animals for the pleasure of one's own palate...bad...bad..


Back to meat...where's the beef? Shooting Republicans in the face is one thing....shooting animals for survival is another issue, but shooting
pitiful birds for sport is abominable! Vegetarians arise!


I guess Critter was right? She asked what we were going to talk about when radio wasn't anymore. Now we know. . .

BTW, I like it very, very rare . . . :)

Dave DeLacky's overnight show was sooooo easy going and relaxing. I listened to him after my swing shift work years and years ago. I happened to hear NY Vinnie light up the boards one night and actually called in because he was talking about rock and roll and acts he'd seen. Listeners were turned on talking about live shows they'd seen and who was the most exciting.

A few nights after that when Dave came back, he suddenly picked up the pace of the show and almost begged for callers. I think management became aware of how many people were listening and that sounded the death knell for Dave. Too bad.

But, I think Turi would be okay overnight. Not crazy about her at all, but I can listen to her.


This thread pleads for a plethora of puns...great start, Liz!


We meat again. can't believe this is a topic. are more Lesbians rejecting vegetarianism and becoming Republicans? there is some research that indicates that. maybe we should watch the meat case down at the Safeway to determine who's gay, who's conservative. Just wondering where does cheese fit in all this? Are Vegans right wing idiots? or just idiots? inquiring minds, etc.


And great line, Lazy....


My favorite animal is steak.
Fran Lebowitz


Michael...is this in honor of President's day and you have taken the weekend off???

How about a thread on Bush wanting to sell off several East Coast ports to Saudi interests???


And, I forgot to add, that besides liking it very, very rare, and prime, I love it chock full of saturated fat!


sparky sez, "How about a thread on Bush wanting to sell off several East Coast ports to Saudi interests???"

Ah Sparky, that's not true and you know it. And besides, it just doing what you lefties like, being more friendly to the Arabs so they won't be so mad at us.

Lee tacoma

man I had on Bryan Styble , and beside his show being the worst show that kiro has on , but the lip smacking and heavy breathing will drive you up the wall , what ever Krio did to Lou Pate, they need to pay Lou to come back , and I think they would agree , if the managent would tune in for 5 min on styble , shoot they might go back to just a tone , it would sound better the styble show ,I promise not to dog Stock Yard Vinne if the dump Styble , and that will take alot but I think I can do it


Shouldnt we be asking Mike Webb this? I know - total cheap shot, you love it.


hey Lump--
Port deal criticized as lacking security
Lawmaker voices fear on 'infiltration'

By Will Lester, Associated Press | February 20, 2006

WASHINGTON -- US terms for approving an Arab company's takeover of operations at six major American ports are insufficient to guard against terrorist infiltration, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee said yesterday.

''I'm aware of the conditions and they relate entirely to how the company carries out its procedures, but it doesn't go to who they hire, or how they hire people," said Representative Peter King, Republican of New York.

''They're better than nothing, but to me they don't address the underlying conditions, which is how are they going to guard against things like infiltration by Al Qaeda or someone else, how are they going to guard against corruption?" King said.

King spoke in response to a statement yesterday by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that conditions of the sale meet US security requirements.

King said he learned about the government's terms for approving the sale from meetings with senior Bush administration officials. He said the administration should freeze the contract until an investigation is conducted.

Chertoff defended the security review of Dubai Ports World of the United Arab Emirates, the company given permission to take over the port operations. Chertoff said the government typically builds in ''certain conditions or requirements that the company has to agree to make sure we address the national security concerns." But Chertoff declined to discuss specifics, saying that information is classified.

''We make sure there are assurances in place, in general, sufficient to satisfy us that the deal is appropriate from a national security standpoint," Chertoff said on ABC's ''This Week."

London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co. was bought last week by Dubai Ports World, a state-owned business. Peninsular and Oriental runs major commercial operations in New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, New Orleans, Miami, and Philadelphia.

Dubai Ports World has said it intends to ''maintain and, where appropriate, enhance current security arrangements." The UAE's foreign minister has described his country as an important US ally in fighting terrorism.

Lawmakers from both parties are questioning the sale as a possible risk to national security.

''It's unbelievably tone deaf politically at this point in our history," Senator Lindsay Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said on ''Fox News Sunday."

''Most Americans are scratching their heads, wondering why this company from this region now," Graham said.

So while we spend gabillions fighting a country who has done nothing to us, we happily sell major American ports to the Saudis, who had a direct hand in 9-11.



I agree with you on this one. Maybe these Democrats that are stepping up on this issue will take our national security on a more serious level now. Taking a stand afainst the UAE on this, is profiling, plain and simple, something that most Democrats, up until now apparently, have been against.


" Maybe these Democrats that are stepping up on this issue will take our national security on a more serious level now."

Honestly, have you no ability to think critically at all? The left knows when to to take something seriously. It is your precious Bush administration that is doing this, and we've been taking him serious for a very long time. As long as you've gotten your tax breaks, you haven't cared. Well, we have.

You have no credibility at all on this, Audioslave.


On meat:
I love it. Had veal last night, even.

On the ports:
I don't understand why the local port authorities just don't cancel their contracts if the sales go through. Too spineless? I suppose they might be afraid of being sued, but this might be a case in which government indemnification makes sense.


Just heard on NPR that American ports are only about 10% of the business in the take-over and that it is the European presence that the is the deal-maker here. The UAE wants to increase it's presence there.

I don't see that we have a lot of clout in this matter . . . as for opting out of contractual obligations, not what I want to see but may be the right thing to do . . . just don't know.


Audioslave, I'm watching John Perkins on CSpan book tv. He wrote "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man." I think we both should read it.

He said Chavez (Venezuela) paid off the $10 million to the World Bank so he could get them off his backs. He also said that several countries in South America (he named them) have banded together to get us off their backs.

Do you know about these things? I didn't. I am getting his book.


I finished that book a few weeks ago. Great plane read and very interesting theme especially if your a Greg Pallast fan.
He makes some fairly heavy allegations that your gonna have to take on faith cause the footnotes/source documentation isn't really there. Watch out for the 'Jackals' he mentions.


Joanie says:

"Honestly, have you no ability to think critically at all? The left knows when to to take something seriously. It is your precious Bush administration that is doing this, and we've been taking him serious for a very long time. As long as you've gotten your tax breaks, you haven't cared. Well, we have."

I believe, (concerning the takeover of those port operations by a country based in Dubai), in my opinion, calling it a case of "profiling" , is a critical thought that deserves discussion. If it's just a case for not having a foreign country run those ports, that doesn't wash with me because it's been ran by a British company since 2000.

What's wrong with asking tough, "insensitive" questions when it concerns our national safety? The left (notably, Clinton and Schumer) are taking this seriously, because they are right to do so, but let's call it for what it is. They are making some political hay for a strong stand on security over this issue. The Bush administration didn't think this one through. How's that?

As far as the book, I haven't heard of it, but I will look it up.


Oh, by the way Joanie, what do you do with your taxcuts anyway? Do you give them to charity, to people who are less fortunate financially than you, or do you just give it back to the government.

I put mine back into the economy.


you get money back? wow.

My "tax cut" amounted to zero. I have paid more in taxes since Bush has been in office. My "refund" has dried up. I even had an accountant scour my return to see if he could find places where I could deduct, withold, etc. any more than I already am, and even he said "sorry."


"you get money back? wow."

2 kids under age 17, a house mortgage, a car payment, numerous deductions for home improvements, charitable contributions, adds up to a modest return of my money from the government.


house mortgage interest, charitable contributions, TSA, educational credits deductions, home-equity loan interest deductions, federal reimbursement for about 1% of what I pay out for stuff for my students = pittance of a refund



I want to thanks all those rich enough to receive tax cuts and all taxpayers in the USA for their heartfelt contributions to my "welfare" check and medical and food benefits. Without you, I would have trickled through the safety net into the abyss! I am grateful....
Love, Fremont


And a special thanks to Lumps, ASS, and Ex-Dim, whose donations may have been philosophical agony....


With this administration, if you ain't rich or you ain't poor... you ain't nobody. Bottom line.


You shouldn't really want a refund, you know...all that means is the government had free use of your money for a year.


Hmmmm, I'm not so frightened about all this UAE take-over as the rest of you apparently. We've been selling off America ever since the Plaza Accord under Reagan.

I don't worry about the security because nothing changes physically in the transfer. The ports are still run by the same officials and are overseen by the Coast Guard, business as usual.

Randi Rhodes did just make an interesting comment, however. Apparently, money that has trickled down to Al Queda has been traced back to the banks/bankers of the UAE. If they get richer off our ports and that money buys terrorism, that's a problem.

And, George Bush has made himself rich at the expense of the rest of us. His big money came from the sale of the Texas Rangers after getting a stadium built at public expense; his Harken oil deal (and Arbusto-I'd have to look it all up again) which barely passed muster with the SEC (and maybe shouldn't have); and doing favors for his friends. He is all about money! He will bankrupt our country and retire rich, happy and totally devoid of any guilt or compassion. That's just George Bush.


And, Audioslave, how dare you support this man and then come looking for democrats to intervene when you don't like something. Democrats are in the minority now, in case you haven't noticed.


For those of you who eat a lot of charred meat..lol..you might want to look at this:

Feb. 20, 2006, 7:30PM
Houston Chronicle

Guess who the big loser is under Bush health plan

Heads up, Americans. The Bush administration is now greasing the skids for employers to drop your health coverage. This is a biggie.

Radical change was not the headline when the president unfurled his latest proposals for health savings accounts. It was presented mainly as a sensible-sounding way for people without medical insurance to buy it with pre-tax dollars, the same way companies do.

Bush's new HSA is actually a rocket-powered tax shelter dressed up as a sweet little program to help the uninsured. It would also undermine the traditional health coverage now offered by employers. (More on that in a minute.) And in case anyone still cares about deficits, it would cost the Treasury $156 billion in lost tax revenues over 10 years — more than wiping out any savings Bush hopes to achieve with his cuts in projected Medicare spending.

An HSA lets people put pre-tax earnings into a tax-advantaged account to be tapped for medical expenses. They must also buy a high-deductible health insurance policy to pay for big-ticket medical needs.

Bush's HSA proposal is a wedding cake of tax credits piled on top of tax deductions. And unprecedented in the annals of tax breaks, this one would tax neither the earnings going into the accounts nor the withdrawals coming out. This is unlike 401(k) plans, where people contribute pretax dollars into accounts but pay taxes on the money they withdraw.

If you thought that the people most in need of help buying health coverage were the working poor, you haven't been hanging around administration circles. The Bush plan would raise the amount that could be contributed into an HSA to $10,000 a year, a sum even most middle-class families don't have lying around.

"This is not about health care anymore," notes Jason Furman, senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "It's an excuse for allowing people to put $10,000 away tax-free."

The center figures that for a family making $180,000, a $1,000 contribution into an HSA would reap a $433 tax subsidy. If that family makes $15,000, the subsidy would total only $153 — and that's assuming that a tax credit is made refundable. Otherwise, it would be zero.

Demonically, the Bush proposal gives employers new reasons not to offer traditional health coverage, or any medical benefits at all. Indeed, the new health savings accounts could do to the traditional health plan what the 401(k) plan did to the traditional pension: Kill it off.

Like 401(k)s, the proposed HSAs could save money for employers while transferring the cost and risk of providing what was once an expected benefit onto the workers. The move from traditional pensions to 401(k) plans has already amounted to a major hidden pay cut for millions of American workers.

Under the Bush plan, small businesses would have new reasons not to offer employees coverage. Big companies can still get good deals by buying insurance in bulk. But because the Bush plan would end the tax advantages of purchasing employer-based coverage over buying insurance in the individual market, small businesses might just opt out of the whole health-benefit thing. The boss and other top-earning people, meanwhile, could retreat to their own HSA tax shelters.

Health savings accounts would be most attractive to the healthy and wealthy, drawing this group out of traditional coverage. That would leave the sick and poor in the higher-cost insurance plans, which would then sink.

So the Bush proposal would actually cause more Americans to lose coverage than to gain it. In 2004, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber computed the numbers on the basis of a health savings account proposal that was far more modest than Bush's. He figured that adding a tax deduction for buying high-deductible health insurance to the tax-advantaged HSA would result in 1.1 million currently uninsured people obtaining coverage. These would be mostly the richer folks who are uninsured for some reason and who make enough money to fully enjoy the tax breaks. But the changes would lead to 1.4 million people losing their employer coverage.

Guess who they would be.


Ohmygawd! The ship is sinking in pondscum....is there no end to the duplicity of this reign?


Joanie says:

"And, Audioslave, how dare you support this man and then come looking for democrats to intervene when you don't like something. Democrats are in the minority now, in case you haven't noticed."

I didn't look for them to intervene, they did it on their own. Look, this story first broke early last week, on the Michael Savage Show, believe it or not. And it has gained alot of traction since mostly Democrats, and some Republicans, have picked up on it.

I may support the president, but that certainly doesn't mean I agree with everything he does. But I don't hate the man, as you have said, nor do I hate anyone on the Democrat side for that matter Joanie. Democrats believe just as passionately in their cause as Republicans in theirs.




And what is your cause, Audioslave? I'd really like to know.



I don't have any politcal cause(s) myself. I support or choose not to support political action; it depends on the issue.

Based on our exchanges on this blog, would you say that you hate me also? Because we differ in opinion, or because I support the president?


You know, I'd have to say I do hate what you support. If that is the same as hating you, maybe I do.

I think the actions and values of this sociopathic president reflects on all of you. I think that is why liberals are so much more passionate today than they've maybe ever been before. We can see the travesty in this man's reign.

You say you have no cause but yet you said:
"Democrats believe just as passionately in their cause as Republicans in theirs."

So, what propelled you to support this guy? What caused you to think he'd be the best man? It is clear to me that you are conservative. What was your cause? First in 2000 and later in 2004?


joanie said:

"You know, I'd have to say I do hate what you support. If that is the same as hating you, maybe I do."

...And you accused me of being rude and hurtful to andrew??? Hmmmm, better take a look at your own words, I'd say.


Oh Critter, get over it.

At least I'm not making fun of people. Aren't you smart enough to tell the difference.

I think Audioslave asked an honest question, and I"m answering as honestly as I can.


Perhaps I have been too hard on you. I really liked the discussion on homelessness although we didn't solve very much, did we?

I cannot tell you how destructive I think this Bush Administration has been on the fabric of our society. And I've personally never been so angry about anything before. I don't think you understand that at all.

But, no I don't hate you. That was a tough question. It got me to thinking. What kind of America do you want your two kids under seventeen to grow up in? I'm absolutely worried about the future of this country and the security - financial as well as physical - for our future generations. We should be caring about all of our kids; not just our own.


Joanie's comments:

"You know, I'd have to say I do hate what you support. If that is the same as hating you, maybe I do."

"I think the actions and values of this sociopathic president reflects on all of you."

Joanie, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are on the far left of the political spectrum. I consider myself a mainstream conservative, and based on election results, I think that I'm a closer representative of most Americans' political views, right now. Now you can agree with that assumption or not, it's just my opinion.

What falls on deaf ears for me, whether it's from the far left or the extreme right, is slanderous, hate-filled, inaccurate diatribes that in the end, benefits no one. Personally, it's an insult to my intelligence when I hear some of the crap that Michael Savage spews from his far right perch, and the same thing can be said when a guy like Ed Schultz can twist facts around to fit his point of view.

I know you are passionate about your "cause", but do you think it strengthens your position or credibility when you call the president a sociopath, or admit that you might hate me, just because I don't agree with you?


Joanie just said:

"But, no I don't hate you. That was a tough question. It got me to thinking. What kind of America do you want your two kids under seventeen to grow up in? I'm absolutely worried about the future of this country and the security - financial as well as physical - for our future generations. We should be caring about all of our kids; not just our own."

You beat me to a post Joanie, but thanks, I'm glad you don't hate me. I'm really not that bad a guy, for a conservative. And yes, I agree with everything above you wrote here.

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