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February 21, 2006

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joanie

Interesting topic. I was watching TVW and there is a discussion underway about a state civics curriculum. There is a definite need for one.

Also, after the last presidential election, I emailed Webb who was huffing and puffing about the crummy democrats and suggesting he should become libertarian. He was just blowing wind that night. I think he had had on a couple guests from different parties over several nights that got him talking like that.

Anyway, I suggested that instead of showcasing these people at election time, he could use his show as a once-a-week venue for introducing his listeners to alternative candidates. You know, like have a libertarian on once a month for an hour; a Green candidate; socialist; repub/democrat (differents ones rather than just one); perhaps moderate a debate between them. That way people would get to know these candidates and their platforms. Familiarity breeds comfort and understanding. I think that is one way we can really bring third or even fourth parties to the attention of Americans which could actually influence the two main parties to be better.

People really don't recognize these other parties until they see their names on ballots. If people could hear from them throughout the year, perhaps they could become viable . . . and if people like Webb, Hart, Ross even, gave some time to acquainting their listeners to them - in a regular way, we would honestly have more information, more real choice, and perhaps better democratic and republican candidates.

And, I just finished listening to Kristina Borgesson on CSpan Book TV. She edited "Feet to the Fire: The Media after 9-11." What a riveting woman. I'm getting the book. According to her, the only print worth reading is Knight Ridder. She thinks that during the SOTU a team of researchers should immediately caption on the TV screen whether an item is true, false or simply spun. I loved it!

Well, my posts are getting as long as your's, Michael. Nighty-night.

Brian Lacey wa

Hay I got too thinking, how many of you remember the tv show WKRP .Remember Les Nessman? with the pig farmers report, thats todays Bryan Styble. I miss Gary behind the glass on the radio , but then as much as Bryan Styble talk he doesnt give his callers anytime , sowhy would he give Gary anytime , An Idea put Gary behind the mike and styble behind the glass, or closet

Andrew

Joanie, don't look at the two leading parties as option A and option B, but "more this way" or "more that way", because if you want hypothetical option C you are never going to get it outright, you can only get it by apealing to whichever A or B is closer to C.

If you are pro Green party and you vote for them instead of the Democrats, the Dems get one less vote, the Greens will lose, obviously, and the overly victorious Republicans will declare they have mandate and fuck everything up even harder than they did in the first place.

Since elections are winner-takes-all, it's always in the best interest of similar parties form alliances so that they can win half of something rather than lose everything. Eventualy it whittles down to two aposing alliances. Atleast that's how I figure it.

The existance of third parties goes to show that public educution is failing to teach math properly.

Andrew

BlaM said "Our real anger here, is... the confusion so many Americans have between politics, policy, and NFL rules"

You're angry that people don't want something they don't think they need, is boring, not marketed and intentionaly obfuscated by the politicians themselves.

The only time people perceive a need for civic concern is when they are coerced by talk show hosts or campaign ads.

And the most coercable are people who can be made angry, who have a rigid a sense of right and wrong, that don't need to be told that there is an enemy, just who it is - so they'll know who to stone to death. Just look at those Muslim protestors, getting all excited about cartoons drawn in some other country for some other audience. That would never happen here cough Beatles bonfire cough.

sparky

Dont forget the Dixie Chicks bonfires!

Back to another comment you made, Michael...
In this world of high stakes testing, civics is still taught but the emphasis is all on math, reading , writing and science.
All the subjects that fall under the old term " Social Studies" were shelved by the Legislature for WASL testing.
Unfortunately, if its not on the WASL, it is not emphasized. That's wrong, but it's the reality. Also, the curriculum, which would have taught about Mandela, as well as other nation's histories, was "sanitized" by the legislature and the emphasis was mostly US history.
No, I dont think its wrong to learn about our own history. I think it is vital, but we are not alone on the planet, and, as Michael pointed out, our citizens are woefully ignorant of what goes on elsewhere, and how it can and does affect us.

Lee Tacoma wa

Hay ! I just one question ?? What the hell is Kiro thinging about with Bryan Styble ?? I think we should take Krio program manager, and strap him to a chair , and put head phone on him , and tune into Stybles full show , Iam sure after the four hours of styble show kiros progam manager would put on his white helmet and stand out in the street, and wait for the small yellow bus. tell everbody that walks by Hay I have seen Elvis! LOve YA

Jeff Richardson

Hey all, Mandela is one of the most important people in the history of the world. This guy successfully helped forge a coalition between the left and the silent non-voting majority in a country where 31 political parties including his own were outlawed totally. I recognize that you maybe were looking for something on Lincoln or Washington or all American Presidents, but there was plenty of that stuff on TV yesterday. The fact is that NPR does whatever the hell NPR wants and if they chose Mandela you should either enjoy it or turn the channel.

The real problem here is that NPR is not a democratic organization. They can't air stuff that would really illuminate our history and compel young people to engage in the process because then the Repugs would jump down their throats and cut their funding. I bet you dollars to donuts they had a whole day of US-related political stuff planned and some Bush appointed hack nixed the whole program.

And the reason we don't have civics? Same reason. The neocons and corporate DLC Demcorats want us to be stupid and overentertained, so we'll keep buying crappy products and stay out of their way. An educated populace is a dangerous populace, because they won't put up with the kind of crap that corporate politicins engage in.

P.S. The CIA killed Kennedy, and Cheney planned 9/11. Look into it - don't be afraid. What's the worst that can happen? You'll find out that some of your heroes are dirty. So what? Lots of people in government are criminal scumbags. It doesn't mean our entire system of government is a failure.

Fremont

This IS black Americans month....maybe NPR's celebration of Mandela was a nod to black history. Today, NPR is doing a piece on Martin L. King..
Bla'M said "then we get all indignant when we lose. For a few months, we threaten to move to Europe, but then go back to sleep for the next 3.5 years)." I think sales of SSRI's (Prozac, Zoloft, etc.) spiked and concomitant scumbag drug companies' stock prices soared because we Dems were suicidally depressed. But, your point is that there is, indeed, a crisis in education, of students and post-schoolers as well. Joani (an i with a heart over it, doncha love it?), let me add my caveat to Andi's cautionary comment and Bla'M's admonition in a previous post: NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO EMBRACE A THIRD PARTY...though I, too, would prefer a party that epitomized my own Kucinichesque values, supporting a third party would, and did, skew the power to the right. But, a girl can dream....

Critter

Brian Lacey wa:

Where is Gary? Is he gone? I haven't heard. And why does Styble say he doesn't know who the producer is or if the producer is male or female, even. He said, "The producer wears a bag over his/her head." What's that all about???

Andrew

I wish they would install a noise gate so we don't hear Styble gasping for air. I don't think he's all bad otherwise.

joanie

With all respect to Andrew and Fremont, you sound like you are running scared and that is not constructive.

I do think hearing from other parties and candidates make us more informed. The more informed we are, the more we will demand from the major parties.

Didn't the Green Party in Europe help to change politics? They even have won some seats in various governments.

I think our fear of diffusing an already troubled democratic party is a false premise. Competition and a more informed membership will serve to make it stronger by holding it more accountable to us. Right now, they are more beholding to corporations and big money than to the general electorate. I think this could change that.

Also, I think the fear of third parties represents short-term thinking. Look how divided we were over Kerry; yet, when push-came-to-shove, democrats turned out in droves to support Kerry over Bush.

I think hearing from all the other parties on a more regular basis will make us stronger, not weaker. And it would demand that the current two-party system becomes accountable to the people - especially in the face of such a controlled media.

rev

Don't blame NPR for KUOW's decision to run the Mandela documentary. KUOW (and every other public radio station) has access to programs from many sources, including the whole spectrum of independent producers. It's not as if somebody in Washington forced them to run that program on that day.

To a certain extent, each NPR station can reflect the political and social environment within its signal area. So a station in Seattle or San Francisco will choose a different mix of programs from one in, say, Salt Lake City or Tulsa. They'll all use the same NPR news shows, but their local programs, and the ones they take from other sources will be the ones that reflect and often reinforce the local biases and values.

Andrew

Joanie, why don't Greens simply become Democrats and persuade fellow Democrats to take their view point? Unlike what they are doing now, that might actualy work.

Conservative unity might not matter if it weren't for liberal division.

Conservatives gave money to the green party. Conservatives gave money to the green party. Conservatives gave money to the green party.

Footnote: their platform statement hasn't been updated since 2004.

joanie

Andrew, get over the Greens. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Didn't somebody else say that once:)

You are young. Sometimes we have to hit bottom before we wake up and realize what is important. We'll survive this but not by giving in, limiting choice or imprisoning ourselves in political boxes.

Where's Wellstone when you need him?

joanie

Did anyone read the Seattle Times article on Gregoire getting the doctors and lawyers together on malpractice? The one thing I want to see is those doctors who repeat malpractice get outed! Currently, the AMA condones secrecy of such incidents.

But, I love that she accomplished something!

I predict, here and now, that Christine Gregoire will become the first female president of the United States of America!

Andrew

Joanie Andrew, get over the Greens. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Didn't somebody else say that once:)

Oh my god.

"You are young. Sometimes we have to hit bottom before we wake up and realize what is important. We'll survive this but not by giving in, limiting choice or imprisoning ourselves in political boxes."

I don't think you are reading my posts. Answer me this question:

Why don't Greens join Dems and make the Democratic party work towards their Green party values?

Think Dennis Kucinich.

"Where's Wellstone when you need him?"

Oh, you mean Paul Wellstone, the DEMOCRAT?

Fremont

Paul Wellstone was killed in a plane that was maintained by Alaska Airline scabs, fueled by Exxon, and piloted by Pat Robertson's god....

Andrew

I'd fly Alaska if I was suicidal.

Tommy008

I've been listening to George Bush'es shoe shine boy Tony Snow, as he tries to defend the indefensible regarding the plan to give the U nited Arab Emirates control of 8 U.S. Ports. Even his conservative callers are disgusted with him. When has this craven, buttkissing toad ever criticized G.W.Bush on anything? I never thought I'd regard a talkhost with more contempt than Rush, but I've finally found one. This port thing is so outrageous it has Michael Savage teaming up wiht Chuck Shumer to overturn it. Savage broke down and had Shumer on his show over it.

joanie

Good Lord, Andrew. Calm down. I consider myself an independent having voted for repugs, demos and greens in my lifetime. I'm saying no one should isolate themselves to one party just for the purpose of its viability. Nor am I saying people should be one issue voters and change parties whimsically.

I'm saying we should keep open minds. We all have freedom of choice as long as choices remain. Your way of thinking would eliminate choice altogether. Both the major parties are in the pockets of corporations. What kind of choice is that? That's why (IMO) democrats are so spineless right now. They don't want to piss off their bankers.

Why are you so closed on this subject? You and I cannot wake people up. But, talk radio can open people's minds.

What I miss most is the fairness doctrine. I think losing that triggered this polarization that exists politically. And it has been fueled by spin, half truths and outright lies - mostly by conservative radio.

More voices diffuse that ability. I can't understand your need to have less choice which also leads to fewer voices and less information.

You haven't read my posts: I said I think more exposure for these outliers would enrich the conversation and make both parties more accountable to the people.

lukobe

Now this has turned into an interesting thread.

Joanie wrote: "I emailed Webb who was huffing and puffing about the crummy democrats and suggesting he should become libertarian... he had had on a couple guests from different parties over several nights that got him talking like that."

What on earth did he say that made him sound libertarian? You've got me curious...

Andrew wrote: "Since elections are winner-takes-all, it's always in the best interest of similar parties form alliances so that they can win half of something rather than lose everything. Eventualy it whittles down to two aposing alliances. Atleast that's how I figure it. The existance of third parties goes to show that public educution is failing to teach math properly."

Which is why proportional representation should be looked into...

Andrew also wrote: "Joanie, why don't Greens simply become Democrats and persuade fellow Democrats to take their view point? Unlike what they are doing now, that might actualy work."

That might actually work to split the Democratic Party, but that's about it. A Democratic Party leaning further to the left is not going to win elections. It's the same deal with the Libertarians--the Democratic Freedom Caucus isn't having much luck persuading the Dems to go more Libertarian, and they don't have much of a chance of taking over the Republicans, either. At best they could force a split there, as well.

I really think proportional representation should be looked into...but what do the Democrats and Republicans think about it?

On another note, I don't think anyone expects Greens or Libertarians or whatever other third parties to actually win the presidency. But imagine a situation where, say, the Senate was 45-45-10 Dem/Repub/Lib, or 45-45-6-4- Dem/Repub/Lib/Green. That could be interesting and the third parties might actually get some committee chairmanships out of it...and some influence.

sparky

What is the UAE's record on terrorism?

The UAE was one of three countries in the world to recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

The UAE has been a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Lybia.

According to the FBI, money was transferred to the 9/11 hijackers through the UAE banking system.

After 9/11, the Treasury Department reported that the UAE was not cooperating in efforts to track down Osama Bin Laden's bank accounts.

Yep. yer doin' a heckuva job, Bushie!

Andrew

Joanie, just imagine how effective Nader might have been as a Democrat. He could probably win some district somewhere and he would be preaching up a storm on the house floor all the live long day.

Critter

From andrew:

"just imagine how effective Nader might have been as a Democrat. He could probably win some district somewhere and he would be preaching up a storm on the house floor all the live long day."

Very well said, andrew.

Andrew

lukobe "why don't Greens simply become Democrats...That might actually work to split the Democratic Party, but that's about it. A Democratic Party leaning further to the left is not going to win elections"

There more radical ideas will be ignored but that's the way it should be because they are in the extreme minority, but some of their ideas are agreable and their presence would promote those line items.

Imagine if there was Gay Party, and no gay person ever became democrat, they probably wouldn't be as far along as they've come persuading the Democratic platform into being pro gay. Evidence: the recent gay rights bill muscled in by gay Democrats.

"But imagine a situation where, say, the Senate was 45-45-10 Dem/Repub/Lib, or 45-45-6-4- Dem/Repub/Lib/Green"

That's a pipe dream.

lukobe

This is what Ron Paul did...he's a congressman from Texas and is a Republican for expediency. I don't know how much he is really able to do advance the libertarian POV in that position, though.

lukobe

andrew wrote: ""But imagine a situation where, say, the Senate was 45-45-10 Dem/Repub/Lib, or 45-45-6-4- Dem/Repub/Lib/Green"

That's a pipe dream."

You never know.

So what DO you think of proportional representation? Or are you simply satisfied with the current duopoly?

lukobe

by the way, a lot of things were once considered pipe dreams that are reality today...

joanie

"Imagine if there was Gay Party, and no gay person ever became democrat,. . . "

This, Andrew, is the problem with your argument. No person - well maybe conservatives - but certainly no liberal would ever isolate themselves into a rigid standing politically. It just doesn't happen that way. It is in the nature of democrats to be flexible and open minded. Honestly!

joanie

I love the idea of proportional representation! It keeps people more honest, IMESHO!

joanie

"It is in the nature of democrats to be flexible and open minded."

Make that ". . . the nature of liberals or progressives . . . " :)

Conservatives are idealogues; we are pragmatists.

lukobe

not all conservatives are idealogues; not all liberals or progressives are flexible and open-minded..

Tommy008

this U.A.E. government owned company got "approval" based on pre-911 outdated laws under an investigation down by the Treasury Department, not Homeland Security. The First Donkey just said he will veto any law Congress passes to outlaw foreign companys to bid for running U.S. ports. The way opposition to this thing is snowballing, his veto wil be overturned, which I will watch with pleasure. He will
back down before that , however.

joanie

Absolutely not true! (LOL)

Well, can you at least admit "for the most part?" or "the tendency is . . . "

joanie

Research has been done on the brains of "typical?" republicans and democrats so some characteristics of each are becoming quantifiable. It is apparently a long way from being truly scientific, but progress has been made.

"Mr. Freedman suggested another interpretation based on his political experience: the theory that Democrats are generally more alarmed by any use of force than Republicans are. For now, Professor Iacoboni leans toward this second interpretation, though he is withholding judgment until the experiment is over."

Interesting article:
Using M.R.I.'s To See Politics On the Brain

Andrew

I was worried voter apathy might mean doom for democracy, but wait, voters have alwasy been apathetic, then I remembered we're actualy an "elected Oligarchy" so there's no need to worry.

joanie

I love you Andrew and we do agree on that! I call it a corporatocracy - is there such a word? But, I think it is the same thing.

How do we fix it? Revolution?

Andrew

joanie no liberal would ever isolate themselves into a rigid standing politically

Green Party.

Andrew

lukobe So what DO you think of proportional representation? Or are you simply satisfied with the current duopoly?

I'll read up on that later, but I don't believe either regime A or B will permit a dramatic change, so it's probably not like, practical.

Andrew

Joanie, a thing a read said that the neat thing about an elected Oligarchy is that it discourages revolutions with the election process. I can't dispute what it says.

joanie

Andrew, how do you know all Greens voted green? Anymore than all republicans voted republican or all democrats voted democratic.

Just because we affiliate with a certain party, doesn't mean we are tethered to it in all cases and at all times.

I'm an independent even though I voted democrat (and had to register as one:( (to do it) but I'm not anything but what I want to be at the moment. I think for myself and I fight for whichever candidate or party reflects my values and thinking. It can change, you know.

joanie

Andrew, thanks for the site. Everyone should read it. It is why I'm so passionate about things. We are being duped!

Also, considering the Greeks would have considered 5000 representative people as too few for a real democracy, don't you think that in those 5000 people there were factions much like the far left, the greens, etc.?

Also, remember it said "discourage revolution." It didn't say, "prohibits" or "impossible."

There is always hope, Andrew.

Brian

HAy about Bryan Styble , and his air sucking on the radio , I had my ear plugs in last night and with in the first 10 min , he sucked the ear wax out of my ears , then I could hear what he was saying and changed the station komo news talk am 1000 Man what is kiro thinking ! HAy Gary behind the class Lets put styble back in the closet were he came from !

Andrew

Hahah, I listened on earphones also, I had the same thought.

Andrew

Joanie, I think we would shift towards real representational Democracy by simply reforming campaign contribution rules so that power is taken back from lobbyists and career politicians and returned to society's more natural leaders, but ya right let's get serious.

Andrew

I also think that our social imperfections are just maginifications of human nature. Revolting against the government is like revolting against ourselves. More of the same is assured.

joanie

What about the Franch Revolution? We have a king now, don't we?

Ah, finance reform? Do you really think that will happen? I think revolution is more likely! (LOL)

sparky

Andrew, we ARE the government. We elect representatives to serve US...but they forget that.

Tommy008

The New York Daily News has reported that two Bush administration official, Treasury Security John Snow, and recently appointed head of U.S. Maritime Agency David Sanborn have close ties to Dubai Portsworld. Sanborn used to work for them, and Snow was head of CSX Railway, who sold a large porion of their assets to Dubai Portsworld a year after Snow left the Company to work for Bush. PU! I know there was a hamper of stinky laundry around here somewhere.

Tommy008

sorry- that's Treasury Secretary John Snow.

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