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November 14, 2005

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Trip

This is also one of those perennial issues where the Christian conservatives walk hand-in-hand with Big Business conservatives, a veritable 2-for-1, low hanging fruit, easy win for the propagandists on the air.


Christmas ain't going away - there's too much money to be had while stroking the wackos.

It's probably high time for another flag-burning amendment and some sort of "Americans Against Puppy Kicking" legislation, which of course, you can count on Joe Lieberman to co-sponsor (See?! It's bi-partisan!)

Lump

Trip sez,"This is also one of those perennial issues where the Christian conservatives walk hand-in-hand with Big Business conservatives, a veritable 2-for-1, low hanging fruit, easy win for the propagandists on the
air."
And lets not forget about a great majority of the people in this country who subscribe to Christmas.

Oh Michael, tell me about the Geneva Conventions.

Scrilla

My GOD Mikey!!
You've connected the dots between Nativity Scene controversies and DECEMBER!!
I've always wondered why Carlson, Wilbur, Medved, et al., IGNORED this burning issue in JULY!!
Those scheming rapscallions. It's almost like they have a PLAN!!

ExDem

The question the vast majority of people in America have is what is wrong with acknowledging Christmas? The national holiday instituted by our Federal Government is called "Christmas". The reason that holiday was recognized is because it is reflective of the tradition of the vast majority of our citizens.

It's not a matter of persecution. It's a matter of the overwhelming majority of the society having terms dictated by a tiny fraction of the population. The use of the term Christmas does not represent the establishment of a religion, thus the 1st amendment is adhered to. Thus, the attacks by an agitated minority of people on any public acknowlegement of Christmas - whether it's meant as the secular holiday, the religious event or the American tradition - that's what bothers people.

safsaasf

talk about blatherwatch. I thought this was a news radio blog, but instead of the inside dirt on the seattle talk radio scene, we get this crap.

I guess since the allen prell debacle has died down, there's nothing left to talk about.

Just rename the catchphrase from "listening to talk radio so you don't have to..." to

"I don't know crap about the seattle talk show scene, so let's rip on republicans!!!!"

safsaasf

talk about blatherwatch. I thought this was a news radio blog, but instead of the inside dirt on the seattle talk radio scene, we get this crap.

I guess since the allen prell debacle has died down, there's nothing left to talk about.

Just rename the catchphrase from "listening to talk radio so you don't have to..." to

"I don't know crap about the seattle talk show scene, so let's rip on republicans!!!!"

Trip

"It's not a matter of persecution. It's a matter of the overwhelming majority of the society having terms dictated by a tiny fraction of the population."

Exactly. Like the harcdore fundies to the rest of us with the Terry Schiavo fiasco.

ExDem

And now this, from the newly elected Democratic Governor of Virginia and future of the party:

"We can't completely separate politics and faith," Kaine told NEWSWEEK. "They rise from the same wellspring: the concern about the distance between what is and what ought to be."

Oh no.......could it be that the dreaded Christian influence has now become integral to Democratic politics? Will Trip, Sparky, Chris, Blathering, etc. become fearful of their own party? Will they start criticizing Gov. Kaine? Or Howard Dean, for leading the party in this direction and declaring what a monumental victory it was for the Democrats? Stay tuned......

LeftTurn

It's about time. We Democrats should start pretending to be religious in order to get elected. It's sure worked for the republicans.

chris

I stayed tuned to Bush' demise as that is what the majority of Americans and the media wants to see... Cheney was heckled today in Knoxville TN, once a good backdrop for Bush when he needed a place to save face, but alas even the Red states are starting to awaken. It was played today on Ed Shultz's show.

Lump

LeftTurn sez, "It's about time. We Democrats should start pretending to be religious in order to get elected."

Why not, you've been pretending to be anything and everything and standing for nothing. The Dems are the part of pretend.

Trip

I'm not afraid of the Dems finding religion...there's already plenty of Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Wiccans etc. in their ranks as it is, and they all seem to understand the finer points of "separation of church and state" just fine - just like Kaine.

Plus, Kaine wasn't the one standing on stage with Bush the day before the vote. That REALLY would have sunk him for sure.

LOL - and isn't it so charming when Republicans show such CONCERN about the direction of the Democratic party?

After seeing how they manage their own war of choice and hurricane responses - at this point - I wouldn't allow a Republican to operate my TV remote, let alone take their advice on political matters...

sparky

That big brush you paint us all with must get heavy, ExDem. I am a life long church goer...and I want my government to stay the hell out of my church, and I want my church to stay the hell out of my government. I want my religion to be as I choose it to be, not as a white southern Baptist thinks it should be.
I love Christmas, as do all of my friends, my liberal co-workers and everyone in my huge liberal family. This whole "controversy" just makes us laugh. Nobody is trying to take Christmas away.This call of alarm has only come about since the Reagan days when he fired up the Fundigelicals. In fact, America did not even celebrate Christmas as we know it today until the mid-to late 1800's. The founding fathers wanted nothing to do with it because it smacked of British influence. Some people may object to seeing a manger scene on government property, but our highschool choir still sings religious AND secular songs, kids at my school still draw angels, and menorahs and kwanza decorations..as it should be.

ExDem

So none of the stories we hear are true about the ACLU suing some city to make them remove their Christmas displays, or some company being pressured to stop their employees from using the term "Christmas" or some schools not allowing any Christmas carols?

chris

The displays are more in the vein of religion and not Santa, like I said earlier, there is a church on most every street corner in America. People are not having their religion taken away but if your Jewish and wish to do business at city hall, then it's not a netrual place to go anymore with baby geezus outside. The framers of the Constitution warned against constant references to religion inside government.

sparky

Of course there are SOME and a FEW who are protesting being forced to be a part of a religious ceremony or be surrounded by religious symbols of a religion they dont follow. But SOME and FEW do not equate to all liberals being Christmas Killers. Christmas is not under attack in the general day to day lives of MOST Americans. Go to your local mall! But Rush and Hannity and Falafal Bill want as many of their listeners as possible to think so.
Christ is in my life and in my mind every day. Everytime I see Bush on TV I say " Jesus Christ! How is it that man is still President??" ( borrowed from chris)

ExDem

So the standard we apply is that isolated attacks on some aspects of Christmas should not worry traditionalist Americans. Fine.

And abortion advocates should stop going into a tizzy over reasonable laws to require parental notification before minors get abortions. Or that women have to notify their spouse before an abortion. Or that abortion doctors should have to provide statistical information about the after effects of abortions (e.g., increased rates of future miscarriages, levels of psychological counseling women recieve afterward, etc.). No one is taking away their access to abortion.

And minority activists should stop all of the over the top rhetoric about returning to slavery or removing civil rights when the government or businesses take reasonable actions to treat all people equally, regardless of race. For example, when the state of Georgia asks all people to have a valid ID card in order to vote. Or when a state declares that race shall not grant favor in admissions decisions to universities. No one is taking away their civil rights.

So good - we can all agree to not be ridiculously hypersensitive when something we value is not truly under threat of being taken away.

sparky

...and.....if someone has so few problems in his or her life that they can afford to get so pissed off about hearing " Happy Holidays" instead of
" Merry Christmas," then I think they should get down on their knees and thank God that life is good.

Andrew

Thank God KIRO is leaning toward John Procaccino. Not only is he pretty cool but I hope it realy disapoints upsets Frank Shiers. Anyone who threatens us with becoming a clone of Dori Monson is no friend of mine.

sparky

Your analogy is flawed in that there is no legislation regarding the freedom of choice of religion, or freedom from religion, other than our founding fathers wanted us to do, or not do, our own thing without involvment of the government. There IS legislation regarding a woman's freedom to make her own choices about her own body..and when people start hearing that someone wants to legislate away christmas, as some want to take away the right for a woman to choose, we will all hear about it..LOUDLY.

Nobody is forced to get an abortion, not do I have to watch someone getting an abortion. I think everyone should have total access to sex ed and birth control so that abortions become extremely rare.

But, as chris says above, if I am not a Christian and I am bombarded with the religious aspects of the holiday, then I have lost my choice. Religious displays on private property are not the issue. If someone were to try to get all displays removed everywhere, I would agree that that person is a nutjob. Re-read what Michael says above about who gets their Santa Shorts in a twist over all this...

ExDem

Is a 16 year old girl a "woman"?

We have legislation that outlaws providing any medication to students without parental consent, or outlaws body piercings/tatoos on minors without parental consent.

I would have to guess that by your standards, it is perfectly reasonable, and legally consistent, that states can pass laws to require parental notification before an abortion. That doesn't even go as far as to require consent, just notification. Yet LOUD screaming and fighting occurs over sensible legislation like this. And again, access to abortion is not being threatened by such reasonable measures.

Fortunately, abortions aren't forced upon anyone. However, every abortion involves a victim that didn't get a voice in the decision. And when that victim is a baby that is 8+ months along in the womb, well, that's just a horrifying tragedy. And no one that is a Christian can feel comfortable about people that fight so hard to perpetuate the "right" to perform such a heinous act......

Fred

Boring - I check the site for talk radio info - at least tie it to someone's show!

sparky

yes a 16 year old girl is a woman in medical terms. just as a 16 year old boy is a man in medical terms. Both are capable of producing a pregnancy.

Yes I think she should be able to have an abortion without telling her parents. If you think all families are like Ozzie and Harriet and the parents will be loving and understanding when learning their daughter is pregnant..well..you need to get out more.

Yeah yeah, I know your argument about cells really being a baby...Cons are always pro-birth. Its what happens after the baby is born that amazes me...health care? NO!! NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY! help for single mothers who are struggling to support their kids? HELL NO! THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE BETTER DECISIONS!!
As long as you can prevent a woman from ending a pregnancy, your work is done. Too bad about what happens afterwards. The Pope does not understand this at all.

so, dont try to convince me EDem, cuz I ain't gonna try to convince YOU. It's a waste of time.

sparky

Fred! Dori Monson, KIRO afternoon, is famous for ranting about how people are poor because they made bad decisions and it's all their fault. There you go.


Andrew

I kindof wish the comment sections had a tree-branch thread layout so you wouldn't have to scroll past these thousand word essays to find comments that are on topic or atleast loosely related to the topic.

bj

Speaking of Dori, and the thread subject, today his opening hour was about... government employees who were asked not to say grace at the office Thanksgiving party. Ho-hum...

chris

It would seem that because of Dori's poor ratings that Kiro has had to use Dave Ross on TV to try to bring listeners back.

sparky

Andrew...were you referring to your comment upthread about John Procachino?

sparky

oh, and Andrew..I was just teasing you :-)
I, too, wonder how we start with Christmas and end up with abortion.....

Andrew

There's nothing wrong with the content, just the way it's organized.

ExDem

We ended up with abortion because I introduced it into the thread. I've read how people on this thread want to dismiss any notion of "Christmas under attack". It seemed that they would agree that people get irrationally overheated in other areas (like abortion, or gun rights, or civil rights) even though their fundamental cause isn't "under attack".

I wandered a bit further onto the abortion trail because I was stunned to read how someone that is Christian wasn't saddened by abortion. I guess I can understand secularists not being at all bothered by the topic. But Christians? Yikes!

There - I won't push the topic in that direction anymore.

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