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October 28, 2005

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chris

This looks like the beginning of the end, and the public has yet to endure a winter of sky high heating oil prices and the trial of Ken Lay.

ExDem

Good to see some fair and balanced posts. The high oil prices are certainly going to be a negative on the administration.

On the other hand, the Ken Lay trial will represent one of the great triumphs of the administration. Bringing to justice a corporate swindler that was allowed to run rampant during the 1990s shows that the Department of Justice works well, and that our government doesn't always look the other way to big time political contributors.

blathering michael

Anybody notice this story this morning?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702399.html

"By most familiar comparisons, the $9.92 billion profit earned by Exxon Mobil Corp. in just three months is almost unimaginable. It would cover all Social Security benefit payments for three months. It would pay for an Ivy League education for about 60,000 kids. It would pay the average list price for more than 160 Boeing 737s. It would fund the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for more than two months.

Yet oil industry representatives and Exxon Mobil yesterday made a game effort to cast the record profit, earned during a quarter in which the Gulf Coast was shattered by hurricanes and gas prices rose well above $3 a gallon, as middling at best."

chris

Bush said he would deliver to his "base" and that includes cashing in as much largess as possible in record time.

ExDem

I'm sure that the profit results were greeted with glee by all of the employees of those oil companies, the retail operators that sell gasoline and all of the shareholders.

It's kind of amazing to think that gas at $3 a gallon is still about 50% cheaper than I paid in Europe or Asia. Or that it's still less expensive than I paid for a 20 oz. coffee at Starbucks this week.

Trip

Dark days, huh?

Boy, that karma sure is a bitch. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of guys.

Now see, if you hadn't cherry-picked your intel to justify your ill-advised invasion, if you hadn't painted your opposition as "objectively pro-terrorist" in the run-up to the war, if you hadn't waved your flags in our faces as you scared us all with your phony visions of mushroom clouds, you folks might have some sympathizers and even some defenders among us out here.

Instead, now you get to sleep in the beds of your own making.

Enjoy!

chris

The operators of stations make more in selling snacks than gas--their mark up is only a few cents above the wholesale price. As far as Europe, the higher prices are used to fund an amazing infrastructure of high speed, intercity rail which does run like street cars over there. It's a shame that all this profit is being bragged about while Americans stay stuck in traffic with few choices.

ExDem

Good luck convincing Americans to get out of their cars. I lived in LA when the train line between Long Beach and downtown was launched. By day 2, it served about 50 riders.

Lump

Trip sez "Now see, if you hadn't cherry-picked your intel to justify your ill-advised invasion, if you hadn't painted your opposition as "objectively pro-terrorist" in the run-up to the war, if you hadn't waved your flags in our faces as you scared us all with your phony visions of mushroom clouds, you folks might have some sympathizers and even some defenders among us out here.
Instead, now you get to sleep in the beds of your own making"

Those of us who have fought, are fighting, or will fight will continue to drag along the sorry asses like yourself who will not fight, but sit back and whine. You can sleep in your bed tonight safe and sound because of the people who are and will fight to let it happen.

ExRat

I'm not poor or black so I don't have to fight!

chris

I rode that same "blue line" from downtown past the famous Watts tower and on to Long Beach around 1993 on a Sat. It had quite a few people on each car and each station was well patronized . I see the same thing in Portland, lots of use even on weekends and the trolley is usually standing room only.

eric t

Perhaps we should make the poor bums fight for their right to steal the money from us real Americans. The working class! Screw the racist black rhetoric. They have more rights than whites!

Eric t

Are you all getting it yet? Whites are the targeted group now! We are the persecuted. You owe us for stealing our jobs when we scored higher on the tests than you did but were "GIVEN" the job because you were black! I'm all for "equal" rights. Not un"equal" discrimination against my white grandson who has to compete in an arena that is slanted against him. Shame on you racists. I will strive to undo this racism. Don't push it any further! You are on notice that there will be extreme consequences if you do not adhere to decent behavior! I will determine what decent behavior is. Be good! Eric

joanie

Nice post, Trip, but unfortunately, we all have to sleep in the bed of their making!

Also, ditto on Chris' observation re high gas prices in Europe. They know that quality of life depends on a certain amount of socialism. Here we have no competition (all the little guys that used to own gas stations have been put out of business so big oil CEOs and shareholders can get richer) and very high profits for a few people and NOTHING GOING TO THE PUBLIC GOOD.

Eric, you have such a short memory! It wasn't until the fifties that all black kids even had decent schools in which to learn. And their parents and grandparents were often not able to read themselves because for a couple centuries black slave were forbidden to learn to read. Wonder why? Whites must have thought something good happens when reading is allowed.

It just blows me away the amount of selfishness in the ranks of conversatives. Besides, you're getting what you want: a class of people to fight and die for your grandkids who are probably NOT fighting in Afganistan or Iraq. Hmmmmm?

I find you disgusting!

joanie

Actually, Eric, they didn't have decent schools till the sixties! And, with the help of conservatives like you, schools are again more segregated than ever in 2005! You remind me of the days of the KKK which may be right around the corner again give the hateful talk of people like you.

sparky

Drugs do bad things to people's brains, joanie...incoherent ramblings should be taken at face value.

Lump

joanie sez " You remind me of the days of the KKK which may be right around the corner again give the hateful talk of people like you."
Joanie, were you around in the days of the KKK? You remind me of someone who talks without a knowledge of history and lets not forget who was the grand poobah of the KKK, the great Democratic leader of the US Senate, Robert Byrd. And on top of that, who resisted the equal rights amendment? Oh, yeah, it was the Democrats. And, who got the equal rights amendment passed. It was the dreaded Republicans. Who now keeps the blacks in slavery? Who do the blacks keep voting for over 40 years and with no results for a better life?

joanie

I'm just so totally tired of these short sighted, ignorant people who think their high standard of living came out of their own industry! We live in a land that has been exploited for less than 300 years. Europe and Asia are thousands of years older than we are. The Native Americans honored the land. We are rich because we took land that we determined was free for the taking and we have exhausted to a large extent all the natural resources that were virgin when whites arrived. Of course we are a rich country with many people who have done well. Riches were for the taking to be exploited for profit!

Europe, Asia and Africa are eons older than we are and their riches - forests, animals and water - were cut down, killed off and polluted long before we all arrived in this new promised land that was almost empty compared to European standards.

Well, now that North America is no longer free for the taking and people actually have to learn to live together, cooperate and compromise for the public good, we will be going through huge turmoil that Europe went through decades (and in some cases centuries) ago. They've had the wars and the famines and the pestilance. They've learned what it takes to form a social fabric that can survive. And they are still working on it.

Americans haven't a clue! We think we are so smart. In fact, we've been spoiled with an abudance of land and riches. We are in our Terrible Twos or Tempestuous Threes compared to Africa, Asia and Europe. So now that the corporate barons are once again reaping the profits at the exploitation of the people and there's no place to emigrate for a better life, just what's in store for your grandchildren Eric? Hope you've got some rocket scientists there because if they're not, they will be just like the rest of us are becoming: either servants or beggers!

joanie

Lump, you have such a skewed view of history! First of all, the republicans of old are nothing like the repugs of new! The democrats are where the party of Lincoln was and the party of Eisenhower, too. The republicans are so far right, they're off the charts. You are so black and white! Can't you adjust to reality as it changes and evolves (oops! sorry - evolving/evolution doesn't fit your view of the world, does it? You see everything as concrete; stuck in the original template of the intelligent designer!). I don't care where Byrd was, I only care where he is. Just like the republicans have evolved to a worse place; Byrd has evolved to a better place. At least, he's going in a constructive direction.

Also, if you know anything about history, Lincoln's first priority was keeping the country together and not the abolition of slavery although they served a mutual purpose.


Words from one of your republican presidents (and one I also respected):

A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. (Dwight D. Eisenhower)

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. (Eisenhower)

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
--President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1954

Unfortunately, Eisenhower couldn't predict the stupidity of people like you allowing such people in power.


chris

Honestly Lump, one dosen't have to be "around in the days of the KKK" to experience Robert Matthews and "The order" remember, he wanted to start a racial war right here in the Northwest. And another oldie but goodie, Richard Buttler. I already explained to you about the dixiecrats of the south and how their affilation was outrage over being vanquished by the north when Lincolns party was more moderate than the current GOP. Yeah Byrd was a memeber of the KKK when it was fashionable and stupid to do so, but came out against it when it was time to declare its obsolesence.

Strom and Jesse Helms switched from Dixiecrats to full-on hate mongers of the Grand Ole Party and never really recanted their past but Strom did manage to have a 'youthful indescrection' by knocking up a african-american(he choose other colorful descriptors)and it wasnt until he died that it came out as such. Yes, racisism is still alive and well in america.

ExDem

Joanie sounds like a bitter member of the fringe of American society. Thankfully, people with a lot more optimistic view of the world have led the way in America for centuries. Progress is made by bold, inspiring people. And fearful, small-minded people sit around and wonder why the world has passed them by.....

joanie

There you go again, ExDem. When you don't have an intellectual argument, you simply accuse, name call and hate monger! You are so predictable!

joanie

Oh, and by the way, regarding "fearful:' what president has marketed fear with his incessant orange alerts every time he gets in trouble than your president, GW? Hmmmmm?

PeakLimiter

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald did not find evidence to prove that there was a "broad conspiracy to out a covert agent for political gain. He did not find evidence of wide-ranging criminal behavior. He did not even indict the media's ordained villain, Karl Rove," writes David Brooks in Sunday's NY TIMES.

"Leading Democratic politicians filled the air with grand conspiracy theories that would be at home in the John Birch Society."

"Why are these people so compulsively overheated?.. Why do they have to slather on wild, unsupported charges that do little more than make them look unhinged?

Brooks quotes from an essay written 40 years ago by Richard Hofstadter called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics."

Hofstadter argued that sometimes people who are dispossessed, who feel their country has been taken away from them and their kind, develop an angry, suspicious and conspiratorial frame of mind. It is never enough to believe their opponents have committed honest mistakes or have legitimate purposes; they insist on believing in malicious conspiracies.

"The paranoid spokesman," Hofstadter wrote, "sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms -- he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization." Because his opponents are so evil, the conspiracy monger is never content with anything but their total destruction."

Brooks summarizes: "So some Democrats were not content with Libby's indictment, but had to stretch, distort and exaggerate. The tragic thing is that at the exact moment when the Republican Party is staggering under the weight of its own mistakes, the Democratic Party's loudest voices are in the grip of passions that render them untrustworthy."

chris

The investigation isn't over yet, Brooks must have slept through Hofstadter's essay, published in Harper's in 1964..

" American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wind. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics., In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant."

It goes on...
Here is Senator McCarthy, speaking in June 1951 about the parlous situation of the United States:

"How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, which it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men.…What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence.…The laws of probability would dictate that part of…[the] decisions would serve the country’s interest."

Hofstadter counters,

" Today, the mantle of McCarthy has fallen on a retired candy manufacturer, Robert H. Welch, Jr., who is less strategically placed and has a much smaller but better organized following than the Senator. A few years ago Welch proclaimed that “Communist influences are now in almost complete control of our government”—note the care and scrupulousness of that “almost.” He has offered a full scale interpretation of our recent history n which Communists figure at every turn: They started a run on American banks in 1933 that forced their closure; they contrived the recognition of the Soviet Union by the United States in the same year, just in time to save the Soviets from economic collapse; they have stirred up the fuss over segregation in the South; they have taken over the Supreme Court and made it “one of the most important agencies of Communism.”

Brooks only wanted to include the parts of the essay that fit into his agenda, bypassing the true intent of the author's writings.

sparky

Back in the 20th century, when born-again prosecutor Ken Starr was industriously probing into every nook and cranny of the Clinton administration, it was a very, very big deal to the Republicans that President Clinton committed perjury in his testimony about--well, you know what it was about. Now, of course, we are about to be treated to a chorus of Republicans saying that it really isn't a big deal at all that Karl Rove, the Scooter and who-knows-who-else in the Bush administration might have lied under oath about the outing of Valerie Wilson.

The irony of that aside, there is an important lesson here. Starr, one recalls, was originally given what seemed to be a very limited mandate to investigate an obscure real estate deal in Arkansas that took place many years before. But Starr, spreading tentacles everywhere, eventually dug into every manner of (unrelated) non-scandal he could find: Travelgate, Filegate, Vince Foster-gate, etc. Eventually, Linda Tripp trundled into his office to tell on Monica. At that point, Starr could have said: "Umm, no. That has nothing to do with Whitewater. Go tell someone else." But he didn't. Denying the affair with Monica, Clinton was nabbed, impeached by the House and his presidency was ruined.
At the very least, a special prosecutor snooping around the White House for the next three years will give White House counsel Harriet Miers something to do, now that she won't have to bother with learning all that constitutional law she'd need on the Supreme Court.

Lump

joanie sez " The democrats are where the party of Lincoln was and the party of Eisenhower, too."
Really? I must have cut the class that taught Lincoln and Eisenhower were loonies.

joanie

No. you cut READING 101 since you took me out of context and misread what I wrote. (LOL)

sparky

That is a problem around here.

Hey Joanie..did you see this bit about how the "liberal media" did some editing, compared to the saved data on Nexus-

From the current version of the Gellman article in today's Washington Post ...

On July 12, the day Cheney and Libby flew together from Norfolk, Libby talked to Miller and Cooper. That same day, another administration official who has not been identified publicly returned a call from Walter Pincus of The Post. He "veered off the precise matter we were discussing" and said Wilson's trip was a boondoggle set up by Wilson's wife, Pincus has written in Nieman Reports.

From the original version now saved in the Nexis database...

On July 12, the day Cheney and Libby flew together from Norfolk, the vice president instructed his aide to alert reporters of an attack launched that morning on Wilson's credibility by Fleischer, according to a well-placed source.

Libby talked to Miller and Cooper. That same day, another administration official who has not been identified publicly returned a call from Walter Pincus of The Post. He "veered off the precise matter we were discussing" and told him that Wilson's trip was a "boondoggle" set up by Plame, Pincus has written in Nieman Reports.

Interesting omission.
It is looking more and more like Rove has given up some tasty morsels of information...which would not surprise me in the least

joanie

Sparky, it is scary how poorly all media reports news. Do you think we have a problem with editors cutting words for space purposes or do you think reporters honestly misreport for whatever reason?

A Brit on CSpan today talking about Tony Blair's role in the whole affair was asked about media in Britain compared to the US. He said, of course, British print media are more rigorous in their questioning of government officials in his opinion. He thinks US journalists are very easy on government.

Still, you have to wonder what American journalists have to gain by their constant misreporting and benign questioning.

sparky

I think sometimes it is laziness. I have given up on the local tv news because they pretty much read headlines without a lot of background info. I think they have to watch the time because of ad revenue. Still, I would rather hear in depth reporting of 4-5 local or national stories than listen to 1 minute sound bites of cutsie local stories.

ExDem

1) If Libby lied to the Grand Jury and the investigators, then he should be punished. No one should get away with lying to the court. Send him to jail if he's guilty.

2) The original "crime" of revealing the identity of a covert, CIA agent doesn't appear to exist. The rumors that there was never a crime committed appear to be true. Good old Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie could have made it perfectly clear that the law was not broken in this case. Of course, they didn't - I guess they just like stirring the pot needlessly.

3) This whole affair is very overblown and complicated. Two years of investigation and what results is the indictment of one person who was not truthful to investigators regarding events that don't appear to be a crime in the first place. This whole episode will end up being a forgotten footnote of this administration, just like the overblown and complicated Whitewater investigation turned into a forgetable matter. The average American probably can't even explain what happened with this whole affair - all they know is that a high ranking official has been indicted because he tried to cover up something that wasn't illegal - huh?

Hopefully MoveOn.org will fulfill the promise of their name and urge everyone to move on to more important matters. There's are fledgling democracies to nurture in the Middle East, an economic recovery to sustain, budget deficits to be trimmed, a future looking energy policy to be developed, etc.

sparky

"Now, of course, we are about to be treated to a chorus of Republicans saying that it really isn't a big deal at all that Karl Rove, the Scooter and who-knows-who-else in the Bush administration might have lied under oath about the outing of Valerie Wilson." ...sparky, October 30, 2005

yes!

oh and this just in--

'The Al Franken Show' beat 'The Rush Limbaugh Show' for the first time in San Francisco and Portland, Ore., two of the top twenty-five markets, in the target demo of 25-54, according to Arbitron Summer 2005 Metro. The two shows air at the same time ( 9am-12pm ) in both markets.'

While poor Rush is whistling by the graveyard, his fellow ghouls are out screaming and shrieking and rattling their chains:

Bill O’Reilly recently predicted this to a group of advertisers:

'[Air America ] is about to fold ... because Americans don't want to hear that their country sucks 24 hours a day."

But somehow those pesky facts never seem to get inside the "No Spin Zone." Here are a few:

The ratings for the Bill O’Reilly radio show in New York were worse in the demo of A25-54 than those on Air America that he described as “catastrophic.”
In the key 25-54 demographic which talk radio offers to advertisers, the Summer 2005 Arbitron ratings showed that Monday-Friday from 2-4 PM when O’Reilly is on WOR-AM and which at Air America’s 1190 WLIB-AM contains the last hour of “The Al Franken Show” and the first hour of “The Randi Rhodes Show,” that O’Reilly had a 0.6 share and Air America a 1.8 share. O’Reilly had a cumulative audience of 45,800 and Air America had a cumulative audience of 95,700 .

Happy Halloween!

Trip

"The original 'crime' of revealing the identity of a covert, CIA agent doesn't appear to exist. "


Uhhhh...no one's been charged for the original crime yet - because Libby crafted an elaborate set of LIES and used them against both the FBI and the grand jury. This is why he was indicted on FIVE, count 'em, FIVE charges.

C'mon wingnuts! You were so good at waving the "obstruction of justice" flag around when Clinton was in. How come this is advanced math for you now?

Oh, by the way...whatever Wilson has said or done in any of this...is ABSOLUTELY and COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

The crime was outing his wife's classified status as an act of political retribution.

There's nothing "overblown" or "complicated" about compromising national security and committing acts of treason during a time of war.

That silly-ass talking point is inoperable in a criminal investigation, not to mention a really stupid attempt at a smokescreen.

Lump

Trip sez,"There's nothing "overblown" or "complicated" about compromising national security and committing acts of treason during a time of war."
Trip, you're absolutely right and Joseph Wilson should be charged with treason and prosecuted immediately.

ExDem

Grow up Trip! Why is it that some people cannot seem to read what is written.

1) If Libby is guilty, send him to JAIL! NO ONE is excusing obstruction of justice. IS THIS WRITTEN CLEARLY ENOUGH FOR YOU?

The whole "crime" was supposed to be revealing the identity of a CIA agent, yet NO ONE is charged with that crime. Libby's lies have nothing to do with the ability to charge someone with the crime of "outing" an agent. The Prosecutor has not made that charge - AFTER 2 YEARS OF INVESTIGATING THIS INCIDENT.

The only smokescreen are the loonies that think there is some vast conspiracy to get Joe Wilson and his wife. What Wilson and his wife didn't say is relevant because they could have put the whole "blown cover" crime to rest. They knew it wasn't a crime, yet said nothing. So, that just tells me something about the character of Joe Wilson. I'm not saying he didn't anything criminal, just that his silence on the fact that there was no crime demonstrates him to have weak character.

ExDem

Oh, let me help Trip and people like him with their next post:

That's one more indication that the Conservative Christian Taliban is on a jihad against freedom loving progressives.....

(or something like that, where religion somehow gets inserted into a discussion where it was never previously raised)

chris

Her cover wouldn't have been blown if she didn't have one, she did. That was the whole revenge motive behind what they did. She traveled without the protection of a black US Passport which would of enabled her diplomatic immunity in foreign nations as an agent. She used a standard US issued one to avoid detection and was thus at even greater risk when the story was published. That was the motive behind whoever leaked the info,to get back at her husband for his report which ran contrary to the adminastrations reasons to invade Iraq.

PeakLimiter

LOS ANGELES, Oct. 26 /PRNewswire/ -- According to the Arbitron Summer 2005
ratings survey for New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, Mr. Rush Limbaugh beat
liberal talkers in the ratings game. In New York, Mr. Limbaugh's Persons 12+
audience is more than three times larger than Mr. Franken's audience. Heard
Monday through Friday on WABC-AM from noon-3 p.m., The Rush Limbaugh Show
scored, among Persons 12+, a 4.8 share with an average quarter-hour audience
of 159,400 listeners. Mr. Al Franken, who airs at the same time on WLIB-AM,
has a Persons 12+ share of 1.4 with an average quarter-hour audience of 47,800
listeners. Mr. Jerry Springer also airs on WLIB-AM and has a Person 12+ share
of 1.0 with an average quarter-hour audience of 30,100.

Below are their rankings among all AM and FM programming for Persons 12+
in New York:

Host Share Avg. Quarter Hour Rank (all AM/FM
(Persons 12+) (Persons 12+) programming-persons 12+)
Rush Limbaugh 4.8 159,400 3
Al Franken 1.4 47,800 23
Jerry Springer 1.0 30,100 27

In Los Angeles, The Rush Limbaugh Show is heard Monday through Friday on
KFI-AM from 9 a.m.-noon and scored a Persons 12+ share of 4.8 with an average
quarter-hour audience of 112,700 listeners. Mr. Franken, who airs at the same
time on KTLK-AM, scored among Persons 12+ a 1.3 share with an average
quarter-hour audience of 29,500 listeners. Mr. Limbaugh ranks #1 in his
daypart for Persons 12+ and draws 3.5 times the listeners of Mr. Franken.
In addition to Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Franken, here are the numbers for
liberal talker Mr. Ed Shultz, who broadcasts at a different time:

Host Share Avg. Quarter Hour Rank (all AM/FM
(Persons 12+) (Persons 12+) programming-persons 12+)
Rush Limbaugh 4.8 112,700 1
Al Franken 1.3 29,500 28
Ed Shultz 0.9 22,900 33

Heard Monday through Friday on WLS-AM in Chicago from 11 a.m.-2 p.m., The
Rush Limbaugh Show scored a Persons 12+ share of 5.9 with an average
quarter-hour audience of 96,300 listeners. Mr. Franken, who airs at the same
time on WCPT-AM, scored among Persons 12+, a 0.9 share with an average
quarter-hour audience of 14,900 listeners. Mr. Limbaugh ranked #1 in his
daypart and draws 6.5 times the listeners of Mr. Franken.
In addition to Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Franken, here are the numbers for
other liberal talkers in Chicago, who broadcast at a different time:

Host Share Avg. Quarter Hour Rank (all AM/FM
(Persons 12+) (Persons 12+) programming-persons 12+)
Rush Limbaugh 5.9 96,300 1
Al Franken 0.9 14,900 29
Ed Shultz 0.9 14,300 31
Jerry Springer 0.4 6,500 42

PeakLimiter

I just spent enough time to go through the public 12+ ratings for ALL the markets where AAR airs. Sure, they are gaining audience here and there by 1/100th of a share. However, so is O’Reilly and Rush. If Rush or O’Reilly is on the way down, why did their listenership grow almost 2% last quarter? In 19 of 67 markets where AAR airs, the affiliates have NO measurable audience. AAR is a no-show in some big markets, including Detroit, Dallas, Minneapolis, Washington DC and Atlanta. In fact, the network doesn't even have an affiliate in two top-ten markets, Houston and Philly. No audience in 28% of the markets where the network airs. Sounds like Al Franken is really a threat. But in Sparky’s alternative reality, I’m sure Al is even funny too.

PeakLimiter

BTW, hey Sparky, have a look at the Neilsens. O'Reilly's nightly show on FOX news is rated number ONE with an average audience of 3.4 million. Thats 2 million more than AAR's total weekday audience. How's it stack up against it's "progressive" competition on MSNBC? They check in with 550,000.
Stick to rants that you actually know something about girl rather than cutting and pasting something from a blog 2 months old.

ExDem

Chris,

I'll admit that we on this blog don't have all of the facts. I also will not make light of the notion of someone blowing the cover of an undercover agent.

If she had a cover that needed to be preserved, then I'm expecting that the Prosecutor will bring charges against the parties that blew her cover. But, he hasn't done that. And there haven't been any indications that those type of charges are coming. So, that leads me to believe (albeit, without all of the facts yet) that there was no crime to be committed regarding her cover.

I have heard stories floating around (not sure they are true, but they seem plausible) that she had not been overseas for more than 5 years. And that her identity no longer needed to be shielded, but that someone may not have performed maintenance on the CIA databases/records. Thus, her records may have appeared to list her as NOC, but she truly wasn't, and that's why there ultimately is no crime for revealing her cover.

All that being said, it also appears far fetched that there was some sort of vicious attack on Wilson and Plame. If the administration intended to somehow mount a concerted attack on their credibility and identity, I don't see evidence of it. She was mentioned in passing by one conservative pundit in an opinion column. That's some massive conspiracy? The whole conspiracy angle doesn't hold water. If a US administration wants to attack someone and they have the power of the VP and/or President's office behind them, I'm sure there would be a lot more to talk about than one passing mention of Wilson's wife by one conservative columnist.

That's just my opinion. But I'm willing to wait until the investigation is over and let the judicial process run it's course. For the moment, it just all seems like a lot of overblown hype when so far, it appears to be isolated to one lying official.

sparky

heh..you're just too easy, Peak.

PeakLimiter

Since you have cited AAR's gains in Portland and San Francisco, let's talk about another major market where the network is a loser. Washington's WWRC(AM) saw it's ratings drop from bad to nil during the last book, with no measurable audience.

This is even cited in a recent story from the Washington Post...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html

Check the last paragraph of the story.

Lump

Sparky sez, " Denying the affair with Monica, Clinton was nabbed, impeached by the House and his presidency was ruined."
So, lying is OK as long as you're Clinton? Being stupid and wagging your finger in everyone's face on national tv and lying is OK? Here' a brief rundown on some of the Clinton legacy.

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

And from his deposition on the Paula Jones case where his memory failed him 267 times.

I don't remember - 71
I don't know - 62
I'm not sure - 17
I have no idea - 10
I don't believe so - 9
I don't recall - 8
I don't think so - 8
I don't have any specific recollection - 6
I have no recollection - 4
Not to my knowledge - 4
I just don't remember - 4
I don't believe - 4
I have no specific recollection - 3
I might have - 3
I don't have any recollection of that - 2 I don't have a specific memory - 2
I don't have any memory of that - 2
I just can't say - 2
I have no direct knowledge of that - 2
I don't have any idea - 2
Not that I recall - 2
I don't believe I did - 2
I can't remember - 2
I can't say - 2
I do not remember doing so - 2
Not that I remember - 2
I'm not aware - 1
I honestly don't know - 1
I don't believe that I did - 1
I'm fairly sure - 1
I have no other recollection - 1
I'm not positive - 1
I certainly don't think so - 1
I don't really remember - 1
I would have no way of remembering that - 1
That's what I believe happened - 1
To my knowledge, no - 1
To the best of my knowledge - 1
To the best of my memory - 1
I honestly don't recall - 1
I honestly don't remember - 1
That's all I know - 1
I don't have an independent recollection of that - 1
I don't actually have an independent memory of that - 1
As far as I know - 1
I don't believe I ever did that - 1
That's all I know about that - 1
I'm just not sure - 1
Nothing that I remember - 1
I simply don't know - 1
I would have no idea - 1
I don't know anything about that - 1
I don't have any direct knowledge of that - 1
I just don't know - 1
I really don't know - 1
I can't deny that, I just -- I have no memory of that at all - 1

http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

And on opposite ends of the spectrum the difference on how the prosecutor was treated by the press and MSM. Ken Starr, daily harrassment thru out the investigation and total opposition from the government.
Patrick Fitzgerald was granted full access to the government and full cooperation. Quite a difference between the loonies and the Republicans.

sparky

Please tell me where I said that Clinton's lying was ok.

another D- for reading comprehension. Jeez you guys must have gone to public skool

Lump

PeakLimiter sez,"BTW, hey Sparky, have a look at the Neilsens. O'Reilly's nightly show on FOX news is rated number ONE
Stick to rants that you actually know something about girl rather than cutting and pasting something from a blog 2 months old."
I thought Sparky had balls. You mean he is a she?

joanie

You know, Lump, you are well-monikered. ExDem at least makes some intellectual arguments although with an awful lot of omissions. Peak has some interesting numbers to share and does try at least to mount something close to intellectual thought.

You, on the other hand, seem to have nothing at your disposal but stupid remarks and hateful accusations. People might actually stop reading you one of these days if your don't bring something to the discussion worth reading.

Think about it. Do a little reading and see if you can find something intelligent to say.

chris

Clinton hurt only himself and his family in a lie. Telling a lie to engage a war was far worse to at least 2,020 families so far...

sparky

its ok Joanie...But I do think I will eventually have to charge them psychiatrist rates for the service of catharctic name calling my presence provides them :-)

I just consider the source.

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