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Coiler

Why Newt is leading: Gingrich’s faltering presidential campaign was completely resuscitated by a 5 million donation from Las Vegas casino king Sheldon Adelson. (According to Wikipedia, Adelson is currently the 8th wealthiest American and 16th wealthiest person in the world, with a net worth of $23.3 billion.) Rising from the ashes, Gingrich now has won the South Carolina primary and has a decent chance of becoming the Republican presidential nominee.


You republicans need to figure out what to do next...

KS

From the Daily Caller;

"During Saturday night coverage of the South Carolina Republican presidential primary, Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume said that incumbent Republicans are probably hoping that former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich doesn’t keep up the momentum he will gain from his win. Hume pointed to Gingrich’s high unfavorabilitymarks in a recent Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll, which he said would make it difficult for Republican members of Congress to align with the former speaker. (RELATED: Gingrich wins big in South Carolina, heads to Florida as race heats up)

“And they’ll be more to the case to be made against Newt Gingrich as a possible nominee by Republican officeholders —especially those in the House and the Senate across the country — and here’s why,” he said. “From the latest Fox New/Opinion Dynamics poll — these numbers will change as they do from time to time — this is favorability versus unfavorability: Mitt Romney, 45 [percent] favorable, 38 [percent] unfavorable; Ron Paul 35 [percent] favorable, 40 [percent] unfavorable; Rick Santorum, 31 [percent] favorable, 34 [percent] unfavorable; Newt Gingrich 27 percent favorable, 56 percent unfavorable.”

That, according to Hume, will force something of a revolt from these members of Congress against Gingrich so they won’t suffer in the November election cycle.

“Believe me, Republicans in Congress will be terrified to run with this man for fear they will lose the House and Senate,” Hume said. “They will begin to do what they can to try to defeat him because they fear he can’t win the election and, moreover, he may drag many of them down to defeat with him. He has a lot of work to do to change their minds. I’m not sure he can.”

Puget Sound Blathers

Why Newt is leading: Gingrich’s faltering presidential campaign was completely resuscitated by a 5 million donation from Las Vegas casino king Sheldon Adelson. (According to Wikipedia, Adelson is currently the 8th wealthiest American and 16th wealthiest person in the world, with a net worth of $23.3 billion.) Rising from the ashes, Gingrich now has won the South Carolina primary and has a decent chance of becoming the Republican presidential nominee.


You republicans need to figure out what to do next...

Posted by: Coiler | January 22, 2012 at 08:41 PM

I agree with Coils in terms of the SuperPacs being able to fund Newt's message/commercials. But his 'in your face' to the media performances are also garnering a lot of play in the primaries among those who vote on the Repub ticket.

Maybe a 'brokered convention' and Chris Christie and Rubio become the 'ticket' that everyone agrees upon as the most electable.

Right now we have a real fight between Romney and Gingrich that only serves to hurt Repubs at this stage of the game.

Puget Sound Blathers

Here is what Romney is now saying in Florida (hard to disagree with this either) and you can imagine what his third party Superpacs will do with Gingrich on the personal stuff. Romney's folks won't even have to stretch the truth given Newt's baggage (Newt clearly does not have the temperment to be Presidential Timber).

"“Now Speaker Gingrich is also a leader,” said Romney, speaking to a rally of hundreds in the parking lot of a building supply warehouse. “He was a leader for four years, as speaker of the House. At the end of four years it was proven that he was a failed leader and he had to resign in disgrace.
“I don’t know if you actually knew that,” Romney said. “He resigned after four years in disgrace. He was investigated under an ethics panel and had to make a payment associated with that and then his fellow Republicans, 88 percent of Republicans voted to reprimand Speaker Gingrich. He has not had a record of successful leadership.”

KS

Romney needs to release the last 10 years of his tax records, make a compelling case for his tenure at Bain and retract the comment that "The president is a nice guy" and replace it by saying he wanted to be perceived as a nice guy, but he is really a radical community organizer posing as president or the like. in order for him to get back in the game. Right now, polling shows Newt is ahead by 10 pts. in FLA.

A brokered convention may be the best solution, but not very likely. Would Christie run if drafted ? I'd hope so. This is just speculation at this time. The message by Newt resonates - the problem is the messenger and that is a big problem ! What would it take for him to convince Independents and even some GOP that he is worthy to be President ?

His past is working against him and the other candidates will work to expose that as much as possible. It is too bad that Romney could not have Newt's brain...

Puget Sound Blathers

newt has too big an ego to see that he is the wrong person for the job. besides, this is bringing in gobs of dough to his coffers and helps him sell even more books and increase speech honorariums.

brokered may be the future. something that would even further delight the Usual Suspects.

Progblogjunky

There is an old saying PSB...

"One oh shit cancels all your atta boys"

Clearly thats the portrait that Romney wants to paint of Newt for you and others in this nomination cycle. But Romney has his "atta boys" and more than his share of "oh shits". Should we overlook his "oh shits".

Romney needs to worry about himself and save the attacks for Obama because i believe, like the Progressives and Communist who overlooked everything controversial of Obama from Rev. Wright to his cocaine enduced blow job and voted him in to office to become the worst President this country has ever had, we Republicans need to stick by the man the party chooses and take our chances. Anyone is better than these two bums in office now. That was the Progressives platform in 2008. That is what we Republicans need in 2012.

My take.

Santorum. I dont think he will get the nomination but i think he would make the better President of the four left in the race.

Romney is the safest bet to beat Obama. His business experience and track record of creating jobs is far above any other in the race. Including Obama.

Newt has experience. And the timber. Why, he has shown effective leadership. Anyone who can reach the third highest office in the land didnt do it by luck. (except Pelosi) He needed a team to win election after election in georgia and it was under his leadership that propelled him to the Speaker of the House.

Paul, to radical for me.

KS

PBJ - Agree for the most part, except that Romney must sharpen his attacks toward Obama and make his message more forceful. If he doesn't people smell a McCain type campaign and are angry about the predicament we are in and will not settle for mediocrity again - they will vote for either Santorum or Newt. Paul is running to be an influence - the GOP should adopt at least part of his domestic platform because they will need all the votes they can get come November. The others should treat him with respectful and with kid gloves so he won't go third party.

Newt's ego is one problem, but at least he has used and shown a little humility, unlike Obama, who has shown Zero.

Walt

Obama could lie prostrate on the ground in front of you, flogging himself about the head with willow branches and you would refuse to believe he was being humble. You will never give Obama credit for anything because you are one of the most partisan people on this blog.
And you forgot to call him a Marxist in your last post. Must be typing too fast?

Puget Sound Blathers for Walt

You will never give Obama credit for anything because you are one of the most partisan people on this blog.


Posted by: Walt | January 23, 2012 at 06:26 PM

Walt, why are we still in Afghanistan? Pres Obama said in 2008 that this was the 'good war' and the one he would have voted for had he been in office in 2001.

Do you think it matters if we are there 3 more months or 3 more years as to what will happen the day we leave?

What do you think of President Obama continuing with Water-Boarding, Rendition, and Gitmo?
Same with USAPATRIOT Act.

Are you for these actions since it is a Dem who is President? Or were you for these things when Bush was President?

Your answers should be illuminating and tell us a lot about 'partisanship.'


KS

Walt - you are living in a dream world. On the contrary, you are one of the most partisan people on the blog as you denounce conservatives every opportunity that you can get.

I give him credit for giving the order for the Navy Seals to kill Bin Laden and for when gave the order for the Navy to kill the pirates off the coast of Somalia. Of course, he embellished (lied about) that too by saying he killed Bin Laden without mentioning the Navy Seals on at least one occasion.

OK, give us a specific example of when Obama has shown a shred of humility on his own without being humiliated. Try and convince me that has shown humility as president.

Puget Sound Blathers

hang on, KS
Walt is first oing to enlighten us with his non partisan ways. Why do I suspect a pot meets kettle moment is about to occur?


KS

That will be a stretch, but will wait patiently for said timely response.

Walt

The difference between you and me KS is that I admit to having partisan feelings. I am a liberal. You make a big deal of the partisanship of those who disagree with you, calling them Marxists, etc. But can you admit that you, too, are partisan? You and the Professor like to pretend you are above it all, but you're not.

sparky

Just finished watching the Republican debate online. The audience was not permitted to make noise like they did in S. Carolina and I think it deflated Newtie somewhat, since he loves to play to the audience. On Twitter, someone said he played a home game to an empty stadium. Not sure I can stomach another one so close on Thursday...

sparky

oh a word of advice Walt. When those two ask you to "prove" something, you will enter a dead end rabbit warren of wasted time. There is no such thing as "proof" for them.

KS

OK, I admit that I tend toward conservative and am somewhat partisan, as is everyone else on this blog. I try to be objective and reach for the truth whenever possible.

The truth is and I know you don't like hearing it is that today's Democratic Party is hardly discernable from the Communist/Marxist party, just packaged under a different name. I look at their big government policies and centralized government approach and see very little difference from Marxist ideology. Not all Democrats are that way, but the leadership that calls the shots are. Can you demonstrate how my assessment is not true ? I asked the same question to Mike D and he did not attempt to answer, which comes across as conceding the point..

Truthseeker

Mike D. knows you are irrational, KS. Why talk to someone who is irrational.

"Democratic Party is hardly discernable from the Communist/Marxist party,"

That's my proof.

Now, the person who left a dead cat spray painted "liberal" on the porch of a Democratic advisor is a person who talks like you. Think about that.

KS

TS - You are joking - right ? Ha ! That is no proof, just your flamboyant opinion. Put up a substantive evidence of why you disagree with that statement or move on.

Do you know if a conservative spray painted the cat OR are you just making an ass-umption ? Maybe they did and if so, I would gladly concede that the whoever did it, regardless of political affiliation was a reprehensible a-hole and should be punished.

Truthseeker

Not joking.

KS

Not refuting my previous statement that you referred to as irrational either.


Progblogjunky

KS you are dead right about Walt. How can one tell. By his use of the word Liberal instead of describing himself as a Progressive. And everyone knows that Progressives are just a hairs breath of being that of what you speak. Communist/Marxist.

Puget Sound Blathers

oh a word of advice Walt. When those two ask you to "prove" something, you will enter a dead end rabbit warren of wasted time. There is no such thing as "proof" for them.

Posted by: sparky | January 23, 2012 at 08:12 PM

Folks, that is Sparky-speak aka 'bs.' Let me give you an example, awhile back Sparky made comments about how awful conservative radio hosts are. I mentioned that Randi Rhodes made awful comments like laughing about assassinating a sitting President. Sparky asked me to prove it. I provided the online transcript. Sparky said that it wasn't true. So I provided the actual recording. Sparky said that wasn't true. Talk about entering a dead end rabbit warren. LMAO
And you'll note that Sparky won't disagree otherwise I'll repost those items. LMAO.

Puget Sound Blathers for Walt

The difference between you and me KS is that I admit to having partisan feelings. I am a liberal. You make a big deal of the partisanship of those who disagree with you, calling them Marxists, etc. But can you admit that you, too, are partisan? You and the Professor like to pretend you are above it all, but you're not.

Posted by: Walt | January 23, 2012 at 07:57 PM


So it's okay if YOU are partisan, you just have trouble if KS is partisan. Then it is a bad thing. KS also admits to being partisan. The difference is that he is willing to talk about the shortcomings of the various Republican candidates.
Still waiting for those answers, Walt. Whatsamatter, they can't be that hard now can they? Unless you are soooooo Partisan that you can't talk about the shortcomings of the very President you support.

My of my, turns out you and those awful partisans are not so different after all...LMAO

NEXT!

Puget Sound Blathers

Oh by the way, folks do understand that for Newt to be really successful in a debate he needs two main ingredients:
moderator(s) to rebuke and audience members allowed to whoop and holler.

Puget Sound Blathers

interesting --and scary-- article by David Frum that basically lays out what folks who have worked closely with Newt know: this man should not be trusted with executive power. bad juju for sure.
here


so for those hoping to have Newt nominated so as to easily be beaten by Pres Obama understand you are playing with fire. And sometimes the fire gets away and before you know it the whole house is on fire.

Progblogjunky

The House is already on fire PSB and the only way to put this fire out is with fire. Whether its a firecracker like Romney or a Nuc like Newt it really doesnt matter. Getting this fire out is the main priority fo Republicans and Conservatives.

Progblogjunky

David Frum on Newts Memo.

"Campaign politics was about finding ways to define your opponent as alien, hostile and dangerous. The definition need not correspond to any actual real-world problem."

And attack on a pregnant woman is not a real-world problem. Where does he get this line of thinking PSB. As a matter of fact i just read about such an attack in yesterdays news where a woman baby was cut out of her womb and she was left to die. It was a real world problem then and is still today. THis is what Newt was getting at in #4...

“If an expectant mother is violently attacked Republicans will fight to protect her baby.
John Kerry and John Edwards will vote to protect the criminal attacker.”

Nothing wrong with that when it comes to Progressive thinking.

And then there is this from Frum about the Memo.

"It does not address Iraq or Iran or the war in Afghanistan."

Although Newts references the the two wars in his opening remarks in the Memo, he clearly states that this Memo is about the gap between America and the Kerry.Edwards ticket and that other Memos will be forthcoming addressing theother issues facing America in 2004.

"This paper outlines the gap between most Americans and the Kerry-Edwards ticket.
Other papers will cover the rest of the campaign."

By this article alone i would say that David Frum is a Progressive Hack trying to keep the rift between the remaining four candidates as far apart as he can so Obama can catch a breathe.

observer

Oh by the way, folks do understand that for Puget Sound to be really successful on a blog, he needs two main ingredients:
posters to rebuke and KS to whoop and holler.

KS

oh a word of advice Walt. When those two ask you to "prove" something, you will enter a dead end rabbit warren of wasted time. There is no such thing as "proof" for them.

Posted by: sparky | January 23, 2012 at 08:12 PM

Yes, those facts are stubborn things, Sparks. Congrats, you just took the easy way out. BTW - I stand my original comment about what today's Democratic party leadership has become.

KS

For the good of the country, I sincerely hope that Newt is not the GOP nominee for POTUS. If that happens, I will go on record as saying the Republican Party is a failure and the party needs to be repealed and replaced.

Progblogjunky

The good of this country is seeing that Obama is not re-elected KS. Something you have been loud and clear in saying on this blog. Dont change stripes in midstride now just becasue you might not get your dream candidate. Dont give in to these Progressives.

KS

I am in total agreement with your first sentence, PBJ. Any Republican except Gingrich - he is too polarizing, because if Newt were the candidate, he would probably not win and one or both houses of Congress may end up back in Democratic hands, according to some recent surveys.

BlackRhino

Good goobly goo, the republican primaries are fun.

sparky

Yes, Newt was highly entertaining in his 2nd place speech.

Tommy008

The pundits on CNN repub and dem alike were all laughing at Newt tonight, and his inability to be big enough to Congratulate Mitt on his thumping victory. One wag said that Newt had the grace to at least congratulate the second place guy. They pretty much agreed trhat Americans want a big boy sitting the Oval Office , not a puoting , anger-filled little troll like Newt. KS, i don't think Newt has much chance of getting the nod after tonight. This was his big chance, after S.C. and he turned into a whiner and a mean, small little man. He blew the Florida debates bigtime. There is only one more debate between now and supertuesday, i think they said, and it's weeks off. Romney got the Hispanic vote tonight , after they brought up Newt's speech calling Spanish a "ghetto language". If Romney goes on a run between now and ST , it will kill Newt;s chances to raise money going into the big day in March. Certainly he can't be counted out yet but i feel a sense of relief.

Tommy008

Romney looke Presidential. "Ears" Obama, with his phony macho voice, and Newt the troll, do not look or sound Presidential. Obama could be brilliant, although i don't believe that he is, but if you can't carry yourself in the big leagues you become a clownish figure, maybe even an assclown. Ahmajimajahb from Iran laughs at "Ears" Obama with open contempt. As regards to Obama's slick singing voice, people are pretty much over his whole hipster Mr. Cool thing. They've decided they really don't need that or want that in their President.

Tommy008

i do give props to Gongrich for calling Obama the "entertainer -in-chief".

Puget Sound Blathers

IMO, Newt will have the opportunity to do plenty of damage to mitt that could make the repub nomination fairly worthless with the destruction left behind. by the time the party leaders manage to get folks unified behind romney it will be pretty much be too late to make a strong run at Pres Obama.

When you add in Santorum's conservative votes to the conservative Newt you pretty much get within spitting distance of Romney who isn't having his support dissipated by any other (RINO) candidates.

Should continue to be interesting but will likely be just a prelude to the inevitable defeat in Nov.

Although the look on the face of some if Newt were to win the nomination would be priceless. Especially if he ran with Bachman as his running mate.


Walt

You're right, professor. We would be absolutely giddy with pleasure. Imagine months and months of Newt-isms and Bachmann-isms! Not enough popcorn in the world for that show!

Tommy008

Gingrich got it wrong. Repubs lost last time because they ran an extreme rightwing nut as the vp , not because they ran a moderate for the President spot. As Phil Hendrie said last night, Palin lost it for them. They won't make the same mistake twice. Reagan true believer rightwingers will not be candidates for Romeneys vp selection.Even conservatives seem to be getting it that they neede to go with a winner, as Romney gets higher and higher percentages of their votes. Santorum is already mad at Newt for telling him to drop out so the superior man (newt) can champion the conservative cause by himself. After hes been thoroughly walloped in the primaries he'll just release his delegates to fend for themselves rather than pledge them to Newt. Most will probably vote for Romney over Newt . They want to win.

MW

There is no guarantee the republicans 'want to win'. if that was the case they would of figured out how to run a more viable candidate.

Truthseeker

Good thinking, MW. I've read that the GOP is willing to give Obama another four years to give Jeb, Mitch, Chris or another viable candidate a shot. Nobody wanted to waste the best on this election.

I wonder why the republicans on this blog know what their own party is strategizing?

If I were a republican, I'd rather wait four years for someone with some prestige, intelligence, and credibility and let the comic relief crowd play out this election. Or is that just too smart for you tabloid press posters above?

Tommy008

The contemptuous and gratuitously insulting manner of the poster above appears to come perilously close to violating Mr. Hoods new policy against personal attacks. This superciliously "superior" he or she is perhaps more to be pitied than scorned, however, since they obviously can't stand up against cogent,forceful opposing viewponts without having to hide behing the common, vulgar ad hominem, as really their sole means of defense. Weak and lame. By the way, i believe the uniquely offensive and abrasive nature of "truthseeker"' post, really , well , let me just say, brings back memories.

KS

Newt is innoculating Romney against the slimy ad hominem and sound byte Media Matters type lieing ads that will flow from the Obama-bot campaign by Newt hitting Romney with many of the same issues that the Obama cartel had been saving up.

What Romney would need to do is to expose Obama for the narcissist ideologue that he is in the Super PAC ads, but look appealing in the debates. The women voted for Romney 54-29% over Gingrich in FLA last night. If Newt makes a comeback, there still could be a brokered convention with different candidates, but that is looking less likely.

With that said, the Citizens United and McCain-Feingold both need to be shitcanned, for the good of the electoral process, because they both suck !
With fewer debates, there will be more time to focus on the "entertainer/community organizer in-chief" and lower his approval ratings that have risen because the GOP candidates have got carried away with negative ads against each other. If elected, Romney should be a one-term Prez, then yield to the strong field of GOP candidates for 2016.

Puget Sound Blathers

By the way, i believe the uniquely offensive and abrasive nature of "truthseeker"' post, really , well , let me just say, brings back memories.

Posted by: Tommy008 | February 01, 2012 at 06:11 PM

Truthseeker, it does appear that you've been quick to complain about 'name calling' yet have fallen woefully short of the mark you set for others.
Is this a 'do as I say, not as I do' credo in action or just a mistake for which you will apologize to Mr T008?

Coiler

You sure worry a lot, tommy

Puget Sound Blathers

Dave Weigal blog has some interesting facts from FL

"1) Romney still isn't winning evangelical voters. In South Carolina, 64 percent of voters called themselves "evangelical" or "born again." Gingrich won 45 percent of them, building his lead, and Romney only got 21 percent of them, tying with Rick Santorum. On to Florida, where only 40 percent of voters identified as evangelicals. Romney lost them -- 38 to 36 -- but it just didn't matter. He's still got to sweat the states where it does matter. In Alabama, for example, one of the Super Tuesday states that Gingrich will try to win, 68 percent of 2008 voters called themselves evangelicals. Without reading each and every mind making this decision, we can infer just a little queasiness about Mormonism.

2) It's not just Bill Kristol worrying about this field. Nearly two out of every five GOP voters exited the ballot boxes, picked up their exit poll forms, and scribbled down that they were "unsatisfied" with their choices. That's remarkably lousy! If this turns out to be a short primary, with a lot of pundits paid to talk about stuff but lacking stuff to talk about, there's material here for some more brokered convention/Americans Elect nattering.

3) The Palin and Cain endorsements of Gingrich were basically worthless. Palin, with her trademark combination of haphazardness, pique, and Fox News interviews, spent the week before the primary talking up Gingrich -- voting for him was a vote against "the machine." Herman Cain introduced Gingrich in person on Saturday, and campaigned with him on Monday. The polls picked up no Gingrichmentum from any of this. The exit polls were more clarifying -- voters who decided "in the last few days" broke disproportionately for Rick Santorum, not Gingrich. Santorum, who got 13 percent of the vote statewide, got 22 percent of late-deciders.

4) Rick Perry was a failure of world-historical proportions. On primary day, Rick Perry's extinct presidential campaign released its final donation numbers: $20.1 million. Hours later, he scored 6,742 votes in Florida. How pathetic was this? Four years earlier, in the very same position -- still on the ballot, out of the race -- Fred Thompson won 22,668 Florida votes. So far, adding up all the caucus votes and primary ballots, the Perry campaign (not counting Super PACs) has spent $851.88 per vote.

5) GOP voters: Still bored. Total GOP primary turnout in 2008: 1,949,498. Total turnout this year, before the official count: 1,661,824. "

Truthseeker

No.

can't stand up against cogent,forceful opposing viewponts...

I'm reading and reading and reading. Sorry. Can't find them. Cogent viewpoints . . . where are you?

Ronald Cohen

Quit callin me names you big doo doo heads.

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