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Gay Gary

It's an interesting thought exercise - do authors, musicians, artists, etc. feel remorse when their creative works inspire a lunatic? Does JD Salinger feel responsible for Mark David Chapman or Paul McCartney for Charles Manson? Will Savage now feel responsible for David Adkisson? It would be natural reaction for any compassionate person to at least pause in reflection on how the infinitely complex interplay of events and occurrences impacts us all, especially in our shrinking world. But, as His Holiness the Dalai Lama notes, when one thinks of the impossibly long series of cause and effects that culminated in a moment of tragedy, anger or blame is impossible.


The most important thing now for us all to do, IMO, is to ensure this is not used as an excuse to attempt to tighten firearms regulations. I personally donate one Benjamin to Pink Pistols (SAFO now that Pink Pistols has become largely defunct) following each of these events.


In any case, I'm curious how much longer Lundbek Pharmaceutica will be able to keep a lid on the likely fact that Adkisson was probably on a zuclopenthixol prescription a moronic, public school-educated psychiatrist irresponsibly prescribed.

DT

I think it's clear that Mr. Adkisson, like Andrea Yates, is a victim himself - a victim of mental illness, and needs our compassion and care just as much as the families of the people he allegedly shot do.

Duffman

Well, let's see now...I've read books both by Bill Clinton and John Edwards...ergo I should be a philanderer and possibly fathering an illegimate child and cheating on my wife, etc. et al? Hmmmm, can't recall doing that - sorry! What a fricken S-T-R-E-T-C-H! Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage are simply 'ENTERTAINERS' trying to make a buck...you give them FAR too much credit for far too little influence. We are all responsible for ourselves, are we not. Or, must there always be a 3rd party to blame.

Duffman

...and I don't care whether that Church was liberal, conservative or whatever, obviously the folks therein reacted as we all must in such a situation: risked their lives by tackling and disabling the shooter so that he only got off 3-rounds instead of the 70 he apparently was carrying. Kudos to those folks!...wonder what radio shows they listened to...

Gay Gary

Off-Topic: Did you see this USA Today poll that has McCain leading Obama among "likely" voters? It seems another failing indictment of the Democratic strategy of building a base with the base. This is irrelevant to me as I'm voting for Bob Barr but it would seem that if there's one argument the Republicans have for stopping and rolling back the convenience of absentee ballots this is it. If the Republican leadership wasn't so stupid and demagogical, they'd be tactically joining hands with the ACLU in suing over the poll tax effect of mail-in ballots.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_080729.htm

Gay Gary

and I don't care whether that Church was liberal, conservative or whatever


CNN just said the church was signed as a "gun free zone" (AKA "targets available here zone") but I haven't seen that online anywhere yet - has anyone else seen anything?

sick of repukes

Oh yeah? a stretch,DT??? Journalists involved in encouraging genocide in Rawanda have been prosecuted for war crimes! Hate radio is a cancer in any society. It evokes very real and very deadly reaction. What planet are you living on anyway???!

Zero

DT- I love it when you conservatives get all squishy about mental health when one of your own wackers goes bonkers and starts shooting.
You can't ban them, but these fat butted entertainers who trade in outrage should be shunned by the trash talk-consuming public. they never will, because Americans, who have a pretty good life need someone to rage against. The talk hosts create an "other," and if there isn't one, they make one up.
Doubt you'll hear much about this on right-wing talk radio, but I remember how Hannity, called for Andrea Yates trial as a criminal, and execution. What if Adkisson had been an illegal? You'd be singing a different song.

Duffman

Yet Someone Else who probably listens to Limbaugh/Hannity/Savage!

AuthenticAndrew

I constantly forget why we don't allow cruel and unusual punishment.

joanie

Disappointing that you would compare a song or a Salinger book to tomes sold as propaganda and marketed on every right-wing TV and radio around on a almost daily basis.

In fact, a better analogy might be the Bible. That's one piece of "literature" that gets at least a weekly marketing and daily in a lot of lives. Seems to have about the same effect, too.

Salinger? McCartney? Hannity? Coulter? Moses? All the same to you, huh Gigi?

Lonnie

someone else is going to jail:

Stevens and Cunningham sitting in Jail, waiting for their tickets for their trip to hell!

joanie

Ross talked about those polls today. He didn't say McBush was leading but that Obama's lead was cut a bit.

He also suggested that these polls which survey "likely voters" use the registered voters lists which shouldn't be reflective of the numbers of young people not yet registered that Obama is supposed to be luring into the election.

We'll see about that!

And finally, Ross read the statements of Gallup regarding the poll and their last statement was that of course this is just a snapshot in time and does not really predict what the future holds. Meaning of course, this poll means nothing.

I thought that Ross summed it up pretty well.

joanie

And they are sitting in jail not for the deeds they did but for lying about the deeds they did.

What's wrong with our justice system, anyway?

Coiler

Libby should be there too, but we know what happens when the Cheney Bush machine gets going

sparky

Someone sent me this today:

Rush Limbaugh:


"And now the liberals want to stop President Reagan from selling chemical warfare agents and military equipment to Saddam Hussein, and why? Because Saddam 'allegedly' gassed a few Kurds in his own country. Mark my words. All of this talk of Saddam Hussein being a 'war criminal' or 'committing crimes against humanity' is the same old thing. LIBERAL HATE SPEECH! And speaking of poison gas ...I SAY WE ROUND UP ALL THE DRUG ADDICTS AND GAS THEM."

-Rush Limbaugh, Nov. 3, 1988


rofl

Coiler for locking up for crazy republicans

right-wingers sure have made a lot of mistakes over the years, the kind that gets people killed. Reagan, Rumsfeld were cozy to Saddam back then

Duffman

...and who made the 59,000 killed mistake in VN ther re-coil...political leaning doesn't really matter now, does it.

Duffman

...oh, did I mention the 304,000 wounded

Binky

I love that this conservative nutcase was pissed off because his food stamps ran out. So THAT is how socialism failed him, eh? Damn liberals!

Gay Gary

Salinger? McCartney? Hannity? Coulter? Moses? All the same to you, huh Gigi?


I broadly celebrate the great diversity of different forms of cultural expression! I think it's wonderful we can all select different modes of thought and experience in a marketplace of ideas.

sparky

Yes Binky! If those damn libruls had not thought of the idea of food stamps this never would have happened!!!
I doubt if too many see the irony.

coiler

spot on Binky! Most shills won't admit to that. They gladly take the gubment money and think nothing of it.

Gay Gary

Journalists involved in encouraging genocide in Rawanda have been prosecuted for war crimes!


Well, the staff at RTLM question had free-ranging access to the broadcast airwaves because of Rwandan signing to the 1993 Dar-Es-Salaam joint communique on broadcasting, east-central Africa's version of the Fairness Doctrine.


So I guess the lesson here is, stop that Fairness Doctrine or the streets will run red with blood here in the US.

Gay Gary

Journalists involved in encouraging genocide in Rawanda have been prosecuted for war crimes!


... and we also shouldn't forget that President W.J. Clinton was given a non-military intervention option by the Air Force who said they could easily jam RTLM radio broadcasts but he declined to do so on the advice of Warren Christopher who said he couldn't do that without a UN mandate ...

joanie

As I recall, duff, Nixon and Kennedy both thought the trade routes wasn't it? made Viet Nam strategically important. All Johnson did was what you all claim Bush is doing: trying to win it!

Duffman

..there's always a supposed reason doncha know

Duffman

..point is, was it worth it or was it a mistake?

joanie

point is: liberals know; don't you?

Duffman

IMO, no it wasn't worth it...ergo my point that it happens on both sides of the aisle. BTW average age of the near 59,000 dead was 23.
Now, there's a waste.

sparky

point is: Duffman is yet again defending Republicans. Why is this?
The "they did it tooooo" argument has nothing to do with this thread.

Duffman

You're the one that started the 'high-fivin circle-jerk' (as you sometimes put it). It's NOT always one-sided as you portend.

joanie

Point is:

Nam - American people stopped it.

Iraq - Liberal American people trying to stop it.

What's to disagree with?

Duffman

Thank you for your agreement that it goes both ways...including 'hate talk radio' by the way.

Gay Gary

I wish we were all friends.

joanie

Duh'f, where in my post did I talk about talk radio?

Why do you ass-u-me such things? More circle talk . . . I'm not boycotting BW; I'm boycotting circle talk.

Duffman

Was just getting back to the topic, ms joanie wasn't assuming anythin

DT

Darwin on Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold's reading list. Natural Born Killers on their movie list. Doom and Quake on their video game list. Is Darwin to blame for the Columbine massacre? Is a movie? A video game? If BM is consistent in his logic, they'd have to be. I think BM is full of shit, personally. Nobody else here has the balls to say that. You're too busy wiping his shit off your nose.

joanie

Catch up, DT. We've been there already.

DT

Joanie, are you like Bla'M? Do you also believe that video games, movies, and radio hosts cause people to commit murder?

joanie

Yes.

In fact, unstable people can be influenced very easily. I think to deny that would be considered ignorant-purely semantically speaking.

Gay Gary

Frankly, I agree with Joanie, as I noted in my thread originating comment about JD Salinger and Paul McCartney.

It's largely for that reason that I support the end of the child tax credit; if we subscribe to the idea that taxing methodology is a legitimate social engineering tool of the state, it's in the state's best interests to encourage procreation only by higher socio-economic classes who are more likely to have the resources and wherewithal to more closely monitor their children's media consumption.

The FCC also needs to establish wider restrictions in the enforcement of the safe harbor for TV & radio (I know I'm getting a little off-topic talking about radio here, so sue me!).

joanie

well... you're not exactly agreeing with me, Gigi.

Yes, I think all media influences. Otherwise, why advertising budgets? But, there are degrees of influence. Isn't that why Superbowl ads cost soooooo much more?

Just curious, Gigi: do you think more people have read Salinger than have watched the Superbowl?

And do you think more people have been influenced by Salinger or by the Green Bay Packers?

KFI Bryan

Right on Gay Gary.
BTW- i made through the earthquake...if anyone cares. which you don't. i don't even know why i bother.

Gay Gary

Just curious, Gigi: do you think more people have read Salinger than have watched the Superbowl?


Any answer I could possibly give to that question would be pure speculation!

But, in any case, certainly the celebration of peasantry is not unique to the United States at this juncture in human history. All throughout the world we see the gross propping-up of the mediocre, and here, in the U.S., the leaders of an empire slobber and fawn over the dregs of society. Just locally we have Reuven Carlyle (sp?), candidate for the 37th (is it?) district, trumpeting the fact he was raised by a single mother in poverty. Hilary Clinton's stump speech incorporates the phrase "working families" ad nauseum -- an actual ecodemographic term that refers to a small 1/3 of Americans. McCain and Obama fawn over the right of the proletariat to breed like animals and the "obligation" of the upper class to underwrite these orgies of procreation with code words like "paid family leave". The democracy has failed utterly and completely. It was never supposed to be about the celebration of the awful and macabre. It is truly signs of the time; the reign of quantity over quality.


BTW- i made through the earthquake...if anyone cares. which you don't. i don't even know why i bother.


You missed a sizzling discussion on doping kids on psychotropic meds a week ago! (I remember you had a good commentary on that a bunch of months ago on your show.)

blathering michael

I care, Bryan.

joanie

last first:
I was going to catch up on the threads and Michael's usually erudite commentaries but just didn't. I did see and hear of the autism subject but let you all have your unadulterated say without my influence. There's that word, again.

first last:

Gigi, you're a master of doublespeak. The "dregs of society" is the new ruling class because that "small" one-third is really a "big" one-third in terms of its influence. There's that word again.

And thus the "reign of quantity over quality.


I have some sympathy with your take on it all. Excepting that the "all" which you encompass seems to have started with Reagan and the cut backs that made this little/big third of society so damn powerful.

Duffman

Gay Gary and KFI Bryan's signature seem suspiciously similar; I think I'll ask Rabbi Dan's friend to analyze.

BTW: Bryan...I too care!

blathering michael

Yhere are no consequences for saying whatever you want on this blog, DT. If there were, lots of people, including you, wouldn't be here.It's the difference between left and right wing blogs -- we let people spew almost anything. If you're so brave, take it the next step and sign your name like I do, you chickenshit.

Gay Gary

Joanie, I guess we can agree to disagree. You're still invited to my make-out party this weekend.

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