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anomolos

Attention, cop-haters and conspiracy theorists (meaning most of the posters on this board):

Well, mother of all surprises, Seattle law enforcement professionals have dispatched their duties in a professional and effective fashion in the Webb murder case, despite your small-minded predictions to the contrary.

Here are tommy008's comments from a recent thread:

Cops at the doors [of the memorial]? Why? What, were they expecting the "person of interest" to show up? Mike would be passed [sic] to have the badgehaevy [sic] pricks of the S.P.D. polluting [!] his memorial. Maybe you could have found Mike's body in April insted of June, guys, instead of trying to score brownie points at the man's funeral.

As true now as they were then, here are my comments from a somewhat older thread:

You liberals want it both ways. You baselessly attack, blame, and belittle police officers who are doing a noble and dangerous job, and then expect them to rush like servants when you've got a problem. If you want a helpful police force, why not try giving them your support (for a change)? Or at least the benefit of the doubt? I guess that's too much to ask of ingrates.

Sadly, these words will be perennially relevant as long as there are pathetic assholes like tommy in the world.

Andrew

I hope he's truthful about the bag over the head and the tying of the hands being after the fact, because at first it seemed like it might have been a drawn out ordeal. I realy hate hearing about how people are tortured before being murdered, as the family was in Idaho. I'll never come to terms with the fact that humans can do that to eachother or be forced to go through such an experiance.

I also wonder why the max sentance is aproximately 27 years. Why can't this guy be put to death?

If it turns out this guy did this because Webb said "you stole my car and took some of things, get the fuck out tommorow", then I must say, *I CALLED IT*, because if I don't, nobody else will.

Andrew

nutjob said "You liberals .. baselessly attack, blame, and belittle police officers who are doing a noble and dangerous job"

Atleast we don't try to cut back their funding you nut job.

Now is not the time for your cooky shit anyway. I hope the blog operator deletes your moronic post.

anomolos

Andrew:

A classic response. You don't even deny the accusation--instead, you merely offer a non-sequitir rebuttal and a hope that my point of view gets suppressed so you won't have to be confronted with it.

Typical.

Scheck

non sequitur

anomolos

Thanks, Scheck--you are right and I was wrong.

Scheck

not in concept; you're right and it was well said.

anomolos

Thanks!

joanie

WOW! Answers your "intentional" question, Sparky.

Andrew . . . not a prolonged death in my opinion. They were sleeping together (sounds like to me) and one was getting up, told the other "goin' for a cigarette) wherein Mike perhaps relaxed and the kid grabbed the axe from under the bed and killed him. Pretty damn quick. Just my take but fits the scenario . . . early morning and all.

Poor Mike. Why murder 2 I wonder?

Yes, the guy will still be trouble when he gets out. Scary.


BTW, anomolos, the killer practically signed his name to this murder. Let's not go overboard here. I'm glad they got him but use some restraint please.

Oh, and vote for higher taxes next time so everybody will get the same service and we can add a few more cops to the beat. Thanks in advance.

Jim Malso

This murder wasn't about politics, it was about lifestyle. Sleeping with homeless men is probably not the best choice. Very sad, and kind of grimy.

Tommy008

Not all S.P.D. members are badgeheavy pricks. Funny, though, nearly all the ones I've interacted with are. People such as talkhost Fred Ebert and others come to this town from back East and elsewhere and remark on the number of badgeheavy pricks in our force, so it's not just me. Anomolos, although he got in a cheapshot at me, failed to answer why cops were posted at the doors to Mike's memorial service. There were no threats made by say that Kansas nutjob minister, or some other gaybashing group against Mike's service. They could have put a discreet presence there by a few officers in parked patrol cars if general security against no specific threats was their mission. It's offensive and obnoxious, especially considering the deceased's antipathy to the S.P.D., to have uniformed officers stationed in this manner. I could call it jackassery but that would be mean.

joanie

Perhaps the church requested their presence? Otherwise, I agree. A heavy-handed way of intruding. Interesting observation.

anomolos

joanie sez:
Let's not go overboard here [when concluding the cops did a professional and effective job].

tommy sez:
Funny, though, nearly all the [cops] I've interacted with are [badgeheavy pricks].

and

It's offensive and obnoxious [...] to have uniformed officers stationed in this manner.

Again, you refuse to give the cops the benefit of the doubt, despite the honor of their profession. You assume them to be agents of evil/oppression/what-have-you, and it is this assumption that is so truly offensive--partially because it is profoundly ungrateful, and partially because you are an adult exhibiting the moral sophistication of a 13-year-old. ("Cops are like, bad, man.")

Earth to joanie and tommy: cops are a major ingredient of an orderly society, and it is precisely their willingness to subject themselves to bodily risk (not to mention snide, hateful attacks like those so common in these threads) that allows you to pursue your own happiness more or less unimpeded.

Now here we have the sad spectacle of anti-cop types like you, who are so vicious and baseless in their criticisms, making heartfelt appeals to sanity and proportion when somebody (like me) has the nerve to praise the cops. Your gross ingratitude is almost metaphysical in its scope.

Re: paying more taxes: We would need fewer cops (and therefore less money to pay for them) if we didn't take a vast portion of our tax money and apply it towards failed liberal social experiments that only serve to twist natural human incentives to the point where becoming a scourge on society (drug addict, welfare queen, etc.) has become so normalized that it is widely seen as a legitimate "life choice".

As an example, if liberal social programs didn't incentive the breakup of families, many of these future criminals would have had a father in the house to impose discipline and nip their little anti-social tendencies in the bud before they became full-scale law enforcement issues.

sclub

Hmm... Seattle libs vote for lax judges and support perp-friendly laws then wonder why the P.O.S. who kills one of their own will get off easy.

joanie

My goodness you guys are good at spin. Yes, they solved the crime . . . it is your judgment that the work was efficient and professional. Not having been privy to their investigative work, I cannot bear witness to that. Perhaps you can? Are you one of them?

Again, the killer signed his name to the crime. That is all I know.

Thank you, our men and women in blue, for picking him up.

Now, anomolos, why murder 2?

Andrew

anomolos, I'm a liberal and I don't think cops are bad. The fact that you would make that idiotic and broad connection and at a time like this makes you look clumsy, simple and heartless.

Humans are known to over generalize as a way of understanding a complex world, but you realy take the cake. You aren't accomplishing anything accept to widen the rift between you and other people.

anomolos

joanie:

I'll answer your trivial questions when you answer my substantial ones.

anomolos

Andrew,

Weeeellll, are you a classical liberal in the Thomas Jefferson sense or are you a progressive liberal in the post-1960s sense? Because if you think there isn't a strong, persistent thread of mindless anti-authoritarian (often manifested as anti-cop) sentiment in modern American progressive liberalism, you are insane.

I can only say that I would rather have an over-generalized view of the world than a delusional one.

joanie

Sorry, anomolos, but I just "investigated" your post and found no question marks at all.

Or are you referring to the first post in which you asked why we don't support them? or give them the benefit of the doubt? How do you know I don't?

I support them with tax money. I give them the benefit of the doubt when I think they deserve it.

I will support them and give them less suspicion when I know fewer of them. Remember, I said earlier that I worked with them over twenty years. Do you ass-ume to know them better than I? Perhaps you do. Or perhaps we just disagree about the "bully" and "badge-heavy" characteristics I see that you don't.

Now, answer my trivial question: why murder 2? are you one of them?

I think you are too emotional to be one of them.

anomolos

I can't stop myself, there's so much material.

joanie sez:
My goodness you guys are good at spin.

Joanie, a convincing point of view that does not comport with your prejudices about the world is not necessarily "spin". It may, in fact, be something else entirely; namely, a well-constructed argument.

Just something to think about.

joanie

are you a classical liberal in the Thomas Jefferson sense or are you a progressive liberal in the post-1960s sense?

On second thought, anybody who posts this kind of foolishness isn't worth listening to anyway. You are a fraud, anomolos.

Wasn't it Jefferson who suggested a revolution every so often was a good idea?

I think you need to take your own advice about well-constructed arguments. Just sayin' . . .

joanie

Thomas Jefferson 3rd President (1801-1809)

Periodic revolution, “at least once every 20 years,” was “a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.”

I think Jefferson was a progressive. Of course, it is only in the minds of the stultified and vacuous right that there's a difference anyway.

anomolos

joanie:

Ahhh, I knew you were going to get me on the question marks. I should have written, "I will address your trivial points when you address my substantial ones." Of course, hell would freeze over before that happened.

Regarding your claim "I will give them the benefit of the doubt when I think they deserve it" demonstrates to me that you don't know the meaning of the phrase.

As far as why not murder 2? goes, how the hell should I know? I'm not a prosecuting attorney. My guess is that they would rather get a sure conviction and put the guy away until he's an old man than go for a harsher punishment (thereby setting a higher bar for proof) and risk acquittal.

The telling fact isn't any of your particular points or questions, but the fact that at every stage you exhibit a fundamental and pervasive belief (some might say paranoia) that the cops are probably acting dishonorably. Hence the question, "Why Murder 2?" Why ask the question? Do you suspect that they are not going for the full punishment as political payback because Webb was a critic of the cops? This kind of second-guessing and imputation of nefarious motive is pervasive throughout your comments. That is what I mean when I say, you manifestly don't give them the benefit of the doubt, despite your claims to the contrary.

As far as supporting cops through taxes: taxes are extracted at the point of a gun (or haven't you heard?), and so that doesn't count for the purposes of this discussion. By that reasoning, I support sex education for kindergardners, were it to become practice in public schools, even though I am totally opposed to it. If your evidence of supporting the police is that you pay your taxes when threatened with imprisonment, and some of those taxes eventually end up in the police budget, then you've made my point for me better than I ever could.

anomolos

joanie sez:
I think Jefferson was a progressive.

A well-thought-out assertion. Progressivism is a political movement with origins in the 19th century.

Revolution in Jefferson's time meant bloody civil war. Is that something you are advocating?

anomolos

I think Jefferson was a progressive.

A vacuous statement if ever there was one.

Andrew

You shouldn't even use the world liberal in a debate. If people have a particular attitude about a particular topic that you take issue with then you should call it for what it is, not lump it into the liberal category. If you use the word liberal one more time we'll know you're a troll.

It sounds like you are addressing people who are suspicious of the police department's motives. That doesn't have anything thing to do with being liberal. The DNC charter says nothing about being suspicious of police.

Tommy008

The KIRO reporter just said on Ron and Don that the White creep is charged with first degree mmurder.

Andrew

Sweet! Does that mean they can cook him?

sparky

Joanie, it says elsewhere that he has been charged with FIRST degree murder.

there are pieces that dont fit in this puzzle...at least with the information we have, and of course the police probably and necessarily have kept private.
I assume one of the "items" the landlord rep found was the axe?
If police AND family members were in the house weeks before his body was discovered, didht they see the blood spatters on the wall???? That is a puzzle piece that doesnt fit. Especially if the police brought dogs in...

What a terrible thing to have happened to him...I feel so sad for his family, too.

Im especially sorry that a few more "anonymous" individuals have decided to use this sad thread as a means for spewing personal insults. Mike's family must really enjoy reading slams against liberals when Mike was one of the most famous liberals in Seattle. Very classy of you, I must say.

anomolos

Andrew:

Are you a liberal? If yes, what do you mean by that? I'm actually really, really interested to know, because no liberal seems able (more likely, willing) to give me a fixed definition.

To address your specific concern: I'm not trolling. I've repeatedly clarified by using phrases like "anti-cop types" and "modern American progressive liberals". I'm not going to make up some 20-word compound phrase for the purposes of this conversation just to avoid getting "gotcha'd" by some sophist (you) who thinks "liberal" is a totally meaning-free word, at least at this time, because it suits you.

I assume "liberal" is a legitimate categorical designator primarily because there are millions of people in this country that happily apply it to themselves. Including you, I might add. Why affix a label to yourself that is empty of all meaning? Would you all like to be called "Vulcans" instead? If so, let me know. It makes no difference to me.

Your whole line of reasoning is a distraction. If you're truly a pro-cop liberal, then good for you--though you might want to take a look at the company you keep (like tommy008, whom no honest person could conclude is pro-cop from his posts). In any case, the fact that a broad category like "liberal" encompasses a range of individual variance does not mean it's a content-free word. The meaning of such a designation evolves through usage and (drum roll, please) generalization, not diktat or to serve the passing conversational whims of its members. Your objection is misplaced.

joanie

Well, anomolos, your math is as poor as your debating skills: the fifties do not constitute old age.

You must be very young, indeed. I will leave you to your foolishness and unsupported "points."

BTW, my question "why murder 2" was pure curiosity. I thought you might know. Guess not.

And, also, if you knew anything about Jefferson, he was advocating non-violent revolution. At least, that is how I recall his advocacy.

Thanks, Tommie, first-degree murder makes more sense to me given the facts cited above and the fact it was premeditated. Doesn't get much more grisly than this one.

anomolos

sparky sez:
Im especially sorry that a few more "anonymous" individuals have decided to use this sad thread as a means for spewing personal insults. Mike's family must really enjoy reading slams against liberals when Mike was one of the most famous liberals in Seattle. Very classy of you, I must say.

Ahhh, blatherwatch thread posters--tireless defenders of all that is classy. It's called the marketplace of ideas. I know you'll never get used to it, but you might as well try.

I was a friend of Mike Webb's (not a close one). I'm probably more upset about his death as a person (as opposed to ideological proxy) than most people here.

Probably more than anything, Mike Webb loved lively debate. You want to suppress it in his name? Way to honor the man.

joanie

Reading the crime report spurred some of the same questions for me. Obviously, he got an axe in the head and blood spurted to the ceiling. My god! And the mattress was blood soaked?

A bloody body was, with difficulty, dragged to the basement? It took time? And there were drag marks? Add to that the smell previously reported. Maybe the canine unit was hungry that day.

Sounds sloppy to me. But, I"m just a liberal. As was Mike. What do we know?

In any case, very sad indeed.

joanie

Is this Duff? This is beginning to move in circles. I'm suspicious . . .

anomolos

Joanie:

"I support the police...with my taxes!"

Non-violent revolution, eh? You mean, like the orderly transfer of executive power? Kind of like we've had in the U.S. for 200+ years? So let me get this straight: liberals want a kind of revolution that is indistinguishable from the status quo? That's a pretty bold position!

I'd leave you to your points as well, but that would be a cruelly lonesome existence.

sparky

nice try Ano...

anomolos

thanks, spark!

coiler

Duff always had a good story, especially the milk the Army wouldn't let him have.

tall warm glass of sweat

i think we're all missing the real lesson here:

if you come into contact with drug addicts or the homeless, SHUN THEM.

sparky

duffman has been mia...

FREMONT

Cops posted at the door is not anomalous, anomolos...the Dick's burgers were posted on the other side of the door.

Quoting you, Sparks, "looks like the period of mourning is over" re: Duf....(horrors!)

FREMONT

Cops posted at the door is not anomalous, anomolos...the Dick's burgers were posted on the other side of the door.

Quoting you, Sparks, "looks like the period of mourning is over" re: Duf....(horrors!)

Andrew

Any definition of liberal you can find won't say anything about hating cops, end of story.

david

anomolos's posting is most eloquent and poignant. truly beyond the level of anyone here. awesome.

tall warm glass of sweat

Thanks very much, David. I tried. Pearls before swine.

anomolos

Thanks very much, David. I tried. Pearls before swine.

Tommy008

Scott White, we now know the chilling details of your crafty, stealthy slaughter of a man who from all accounts was good to you, in cold blood, with a double-bladed axe. Scott B. White you are an evil, depraved punk and a coward. Your sordid selling and pawning of the dead man's belongings after his murder, is tragic but also disgusting beyond words. Scotty boy, I hope you suffer greatly in prison, through humiliation and regular "attitude adjustment", every day of the rest your miserable life. Punk.

joanie

Good job, Tommy.

Andrew

We should remember that homeless people became homeless for a reason.

James

So you think that all homeless people are on the streets because they are drug addicts?

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